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TheGrooveking

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I was looking at a pair of aluminum jack stands at Harbor Freight today, they have a 3 ton capacity for both as a set and are on sale for $29.99. Anyone here try a set, any failures to report?

I was thinking of these for the wifes car for trips more than an hour (if we travel more than an hour I load a road kit, including the aluminum racing jack and a well stocked tool box).

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Personally I don't believe anything that is aluminum should be used to keep anything up in the air for a prolonged period of time using said material above 2 tons.

Having one as a jack is one thing, as it is used for a short period of time to lift the vehicle up then secure it with a steel stand.

But as a cheap set for emergency use, why not . . .
 

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There was a thread about this earlier, After seeing numerous Harbor freight aluminum racing jacks come into the shop with broken castings i personally dont trust the reputation for Metal working. With that said, Those jack stands are more than likely produced by another manufacturer and might be ok. Dunno...:headscrat Did Steel Jack stands get Heavier? I would much rather trust a time proven set of those versus aluminum.
 

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I don't have a problem with HF stuff most of the time but personally I would not risk my life just to save maybe 10 lbs in weight.
 

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I'm having an aluminum jack stand cast this coming week (actually aluminum and magnesium alloy). The FEA tests indicate it should hold over 10,000 lbs. There are many steel jack stands I wouldn't trust with half that weight. I think you're wise to investigate reputation and other factors in making your decision.
 
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I agree in both that steel is by almost a default a better (stronger) material, but there is the metalurgical aspect and construction aspect than can negate the supposedly inherant strength, but with steel there usually is some type of tell when something is going wrong. Steel when failing gives off noise, where as aluminum just breaks.

I concur as to 10 pounds is not worth risking one's life for. Jpoint I would be very interested in the results of your FEA on that jack stand.

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I don't know what alloy they are using, but aluminum creeps at even moderate loads, where steel needs to be subjected to loads above its yield strengh before it starts to deform. Some alloys have gotten around this. I stay away from plane all I can. I know the statistics, but read too many failure analysis reports in my materials class in college. I look out and see that wing cycling up and down in rough air, and I really need an overpriced drink. Anyhow, I like the idea of the aluminum stands, but may not be able to get over my paranoia.
 

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Did Steel Jack stands get Heavier?
LOL, I saw those aluminum jack stands in a recent catalog HF sent me. I pointed at it and laughed saying "cause my I'm always thinking my other jack stands are so heavy".
 

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While doubting the quality and safety of Harbor Freight products is one of the Constitutional rights of every American, it is flat out foolishness bordering on stupidity to dismiss the technical possibility of a properly engineered, safe aluminum jackstand. This site would be far more beneficial to others if it stuck to technical fact as opposed to gut feel, fear, and ignorance of the technology behind the things we work with and trust our safety to every day.
 

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This site would be far more beneficial to others if it stuck to technical fact as opposed to gut feel, fear, and ignorance of the technology behind the things we work with and trust our safety to every day.

Well my "gut feel" is alot of the products that are produced in China not engineered for safety. Production is more important than quality. I have not found a product in that store that I have been thrilled with. It is nearly all inferior.
 

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While doubting the quality and safety of Harbor Freight products is one of the Constitutional rights of every American, it is flat out foolishness bordering on stupidity to dismiss the technical possibility of a properly engineered, safe aluminum jackstand. This site would be far more beneficial to others if it stuck to technical fact as opposed to gut feel, fear, and ignorance of the technology behind the things we work with and trust our safety to every day.

I imagine most here would not argue that it is possible to design and build a a safe aluminum jack-stand, but it is flat out foolishness bordering on stupidity to to think that the ones at Harbor Freight have that level of engineering, and quality of construction.

Dont go cheap on things that your life depends on.

Years ago I had a cheap set of ramps collapse a few seconds before I was ready to climb under the car(a heavy '73 impala wagon). I never went cheap on Jacks and supports again. That is a fact.

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Yeah think about the source, would you really want to use a harbor freight defibrillator? Probably not.
 

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Well, I guess that I'm in the minority, but I actually own four of the aforementioned HF aluminum jackstands! I use them for support when I raise my '34 Ford hot rod's tires a couple of inches off the ground when cleaning and detailing the wheels/tires. Obviously, I never get under the car while using them (that's why I have a four post lift!), so my personal safety is not really an issue. I chose the aluminum ones because they are lightweight and easy to manuver under the axles, plus they are shorter than my steel jackstands. I agree with the majority of poster in this thread re. the safety issues, but they are perfect for what I use them for.

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My car is and has been sitting on 6 Torin aluminum jacks for the past 9 months. Then again I am not holding up a boat. 1995 Cobra convertible. If I am going to do any sort of long term work under the car I will put the tires on some ramps I have. But for engine bay and lite under the car minor stuff she stays on the jacks.

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200313386_200313386
 

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Read my opening line...Questioning the quality of HF products is the first thing on my mind. We all look at their stuff and we all pretty much regard it as 2nd rate at best. The HF pass/fail thread has been of great help to all of us because it describes what we got and what our actual experience has been.
 

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Steel is a very forgiving material and even low carbon "re-melt" with lots of unknownium in the mix is still good for at least 50,000 psi tensile strength. Aluminum on the other hand is very unforgiving. Do a forging operation on it when it is a little too cold and it will fracture months down the road. Get the alloy mix just a little off and what you thought was 60,000 psi material is now 12,000 psi material, and the list goes on and on. I would not trust my life to a product like a jack stand made by the people who put melamine in pet and baby foods as a filler and then inspected by the Harbor Freight Quality Assurance and Metallurgical Department.
 

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Personaly i dont like anything out of that silver light weight try to be lightway steal stuff as i call it

its not that strong compared to steel i prefer good old cold hard forged steel

for jackstands i just use wood blocks and sometimes a set of hein werne stands not sure of there load capicity but we use 6 of them for a 12 ton small dumptruck all the time
 

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GroveKing - the stand is being cast in a 535 Almag (magnesium/aluminum alloy). I'm doing that in part because of some of the concerns I share with people on this thread. Aluminum can be more brittle than steel and give less "warning" of a pending failure. The 535 has greater elasticity and thus would bend before it breaks. That said - I don't want a jack stand that would bend either. The FEA on my stand showed three thousanths of an inch of deflection at 10,200 lbs. You probably know deflection is the shift of any metal that occurs under stress without distorting it from it's original configuration. I don't yet know what load is needed to cause deformation (permanant bend damage), but I plan to have the final stand stress tested to failure so I'll know. I'm not a metalurgist or expert on the steel vs. aluminum debate above. I've worked with a number of experts on this and I can say the issue of ultimate strength is clearly more complex than picking steel or aluminum. The grades, alloys, production methods and designs make big differences. My experience is perhaps representative of anyone on this site over the age of 30 - there are many, many cheap steel jack stands out there. Some are better for the money than others. The best and strongest are usually the heaviest and most expensive. The stand I'm building will be strong - but more important - it is designed to be used on the same jacking location you use to lift the car. I'd be willing to bet there are more guys out there who have personally witnessed damage to a car (their's or someone elses) caused by jacking or supporting a car in the wrong spot than there are guys who have seen a car fall on someone. That tells me the issue for most of us is properly lifting and supporting the car. I might add - having a jack stand in a weak or improper location presents a greater risk of the car slipping. I wouldn't be surprised if many jack stand failures are precipitated by a combination of poor placement and cheap jack stands. I've designed a jack stand that will be used in the same proper spot designated by the manufacturer for jacking the car. It allows you to use the same spot for both. It won't be cheap. But if it isn't strong it also won't be for sale. FEA's are computer tests on the computer duplicate of the actual stand. This week I'll have the real thing in hand and I'll soon know if it will support the weight the tests indicate it will. Assuming it holds 10,000 lbs - I plan to rate it at 3,000. I'd like to have a 3 to 1 safety factor even though ANSI only requires 1.5 to 1. Last point - I'm having it made in my home state. For all that - it will probably cost me around $100 each to have these made in small numbers. That's alot for a jack stand, but how many of you guys are driving $100 cars. I still remember the first car I ever bought. I pulled the carpets out to give it my "new to me" cleaning and found a hump in the floor board caused by the improperly placed jack or jack stand. How many guys would trade that experience for the price of a jack stand design for cars built since the '60s. It will work on vintage rides too. Sorry for the sales pitch, but I've had my head in this topic for over 2 years when I had the first prototype built. It's exciting to see the final product coming. Thanks for indulging my long winded post.
 

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While doubting the quality and safety of Harbor Freight products is one of the Constitutional rights of every American, it is flat out foolishness bordering on stupidity to dismiss the technical possibility of a properly engineered, safe aluminum jackstand. This site would be far more beneficial to others if it stuck to technical fact as opposed to gut feel, fear, and ignorance of the technology behind the things we work with and trust our safety to every day.

Read my opening line...Questioning the quality of HF products is the first thing on my mind. We all look at their stuff and we all pretty much regard it as 2nd rate at best. The HF pass/fail thread has been of great help to all of us because it describes what we got and what our actual experience has been.

My earlier post was based on Harbor Freights reputation of aluminum jacks and there forging process. I have seen probably 50-75 broken alumininum casing come into my shop. I stated i didnt know who made there jack stands but my opinion was that the risk wasnt worth the reward. I dont think your post was intended soley for me but i believe my opinions on there real world findings is "Problematic" for you. Also before the Crying starts im not saying that HF doesnt produce a Aluminum jack that is Worthy of there price. Im only stating that ive seen many come into the shop with broken casting. Maybe all of these owners abused there jack or used it improperly :headscrat Then again maybe not...
 
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Good thread grooveking.

jpoint,

Paragraphs my good man but good read. Do you own the facility that will be making your stands?
 

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I don't own the facility. I'm using a local commercial foundry and a local pattern maker. I did a fair amount of research before picking these guys. They knew their stuff, were excited about the project, and were willing to work with a small start up effort. Some of the places I visited didn't express legitimate interest in the business and some I wouldn't trust to do the job. If there is big demand I may have to shift to an different foundry. We'll see.
 

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Try telling that to the passengers of a 747 :):)

Really can't compare machined and/or forged billet aluminum aircraft parts with Chinese sand-cast aluminum jackstands....

I can see having an aluminum one maybe in the trunk of the car for emergencies, etc but never would I want to be using a set of aluminum jackstands in the shop for general work.

Metal fatigue on those would not be apparent until after the sudden collapse.
 

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Really can't compare machined and/or forged billet aluminum aircraft parts with Chinese sand-cast aluminum jackstands....

Sure you can when the original statement was

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Personally I don't believe anything that is aluminum should be used to keep anything up in the air for a prolonged period of time using said material above 2 tons. . . .
 

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It is hard to believe that a jack stand would be designed with a 1.0 X safety margin. That said, I would not overload one. How much does the car in question weigh, 3500 lbs? You probably will not have over half the weight of the car on the stand, so you will be using 1750 lbs. of capacity on a stand made and advertised for 3000 lbs.
Do you plan to support the car for a tire change or a winter season? I would not have a problem with putting the stand under a car for a tire change or brake job, and I would also leave the jack in place for an extra margin of safety. Going under the car is another story; I use something that cannot collapse, like a solid block of 6x6.
 
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My earlier post was based on Harbor Freights reputation of aluminum jacks and there forging process. I have seen probably 50-75 broken alumininum casing come into my shop. I stated i didnt know who made there jack stands but my opinion was that the risk wasnt worth the reward. I dont think your post was intended soley for me but i believe my opinions on there real world findings is "Problematic" for you. Also before the Crying starts im not saying that HF doesnt produce a Aluminum jack that is Worthy of there price. Im only stating that ive seen many come into the shop with broken casting. Maybe all of these owners abused there jack or used it improperly :headscrat Then again maybe not...

No man! I guess my English ain't as good as I thought it was...I'm AGREEING WITH YOU! My point was to those who would flat out dismiss the technical feasability of an aluminum jack stand.
 

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I don't own the facility. I'm using a local commercial foundry and a local pattern maker. I did a fair amount of research before picking these guys. They knew their stuff, were excited about the project, and were willing to work with a small start up effort. Some of the places I visited didn't express legitimate interest in the business and some I wouldn't trust to do the job. If there is big demand I may have to shift to an different foundry. We'll see.

Well I have received the first castings of the new jack stand. There are a few points to address but they work really nice. Test runs on a 911 and an LS 430 to check height for use on a luxury 4 door and a sports car. I'm impressed with how stable the jackstand is with the whole side of the car (front and rear tires) elevated and resting on a single stand at the rear jacking location. Pictures soon.
 

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It would be nice to get some well made axle stands here- we have Torin, Cammac and Wayco, as well as Powerbuilt and Team Mechanix. All are made in China... :(
 

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Well I have received the first castings of the new jack stand. There are a few points to address but they work really nice. Test runs on a 911 and an LS 430 to check height for use on a luxury 4 door and a sports car. I'm impressed with how stable the jackstand is with the whole side of the car (front and rear tires) elevated and resting on a single stand at the rear jacking location. Pictures soon.

I hope you'll keep us up to date on this.
 
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