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I’m currently doing a restoration on my car and have been using a relatively cheap 4” electric sander but it’s on its way out so I’m in the market for something new.. I’m thinking of air powered rather than electric this time and have found a set that seems reasonable it has a 6” da a 2-3” da and a 2-3” rotary for under £100 delivered,

What are your thoughts?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BURISCH-...ni-DA-Mini-Rotary-kit-discs-pads/153282498179
 
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Do you have a compressor large enough to run air sanders? The 3 CFM listed probably isn't very accurate, sanders are air hogs!
 

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Air compressor is 14 cfm 100 litre so should be ok

A GOOD (Dynabrade, Hutchens, Mirka, 3M, etc.) DA sander uses 17CFM. Less expensive imports use more air (upwards of 20). I don't think you'll enjoy sanding with your compressor. Sorry.
 
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For the price I have ordered it, I have thought about a bigger compressor So I may have to look into that quicker than I thought

Cheers for the advice
 

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Well, let us know how it works out for you. If you don't plan to be palm-down for hours on end, you may still be ok. I'm thinking that the sander will be the biggest draw of the tools there. The others should be fine at 14CFM.
 

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Ingersol Rand 4151 - recommended to me by a guy that paints very high dollar cars/trucks while I was restoring an older Chevy truck. Other than my Quincy QT54, it's the best investment I made as far as air tools. Very quiet, no vibration and lightweight. Can be had on ebay around the $100-$125 range.
 

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My thought is to buy another electric sander. Pnuematic air sanders are miserable to use IMHO.

1. My Sioux DA consumers about 20 CFM and runs my 60 gallon/5 HP air compressor continuously. It's deafening to listen to. And doesn't it seems like 5 HP is overkill to turn a little 5" disc?

2. The big stiff pneumatic air hose is far more constraining then a small electric cord. It actually wears on you tugging and fighting these stiff/heavy hoses.

I haven't noticed any significant difference in performance between an electric DA or pneumatic DA. I'll take electric any day. To each his own.
 
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My air Rockwell is nice because it is light and you can feather the throttle and use it wet.
My electric Bauer from HF is on/off, heavy, but never runs out of air.
Each has a advantage.
 

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My thought is to buy another electric sander. Pnuematic air sanders are miserable to use IMHO.

1. My Sioux DA consumers about 20 CFM and runs my 60 gallon/5 HP air compressor continuously. It's deafening to listen to. And doesn't it seems like 5 HP is overkill to turn a little 5" disc?

2. The big stiff pneumatic air hose is far more constraining then a small electric cord. It actually wears on you tugging and fighting these stiff/heavy hoses.

I haven't noticed any significant difference in performance between an electric DA or pneumatic DA. I'll take electric any day. To each his own.

All reasonable.

Here's my take. My compressor is 7.5HP, and it came out of a body shop that would normally have two guys working simultaneously. A lot of 5HP compressors are really only 3HP...

Before I bought my first 6" Dynabrade, my experiences with RO sanders were electric too.

I used a 5" that looked like this:
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And a 6" that looked like this:
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The 5" sander had my hand way too high up, causing all sorts of finger and wrist strain. And it had almost no power. The pad would stop rotating at only the slightest of pressure. The 6" sander was a bear to one-hand, though it did have enough power to get real work done. Both vibrated way too much. Self generated dust collection on the 5" was a joke. On the 6", it was kind of ok, but the vacuum noise was awful.

My Dynabrades have my hand nice and low, meaning I can just rest my palm on the paddle without needing a death grip to keep it stable, and they hardly vibrate at all. Self-generated vacuum on these is minimally acceptable, but I'll still sometimes use a shop vac for improved cleanliness.

As for the air hose, I use a swivel lead-in hose that I velcro to the vacuum hose. Overall, it's less cumbersome than the collection bags on most sanders, and it lets me stick an inline oiler in a spot that's not annoying.
 
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I will let you all know once it all arrives, it won’t be used much so I’m not to concerned about the compressor but I needed the smaller tools anyway, I do actually have a das 6+ pro electric da that I bought for polishing if I do need the extra power electric
 

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...I do actually have a das 6+ pro electric da that I bought for polishing if I do need the extra power electric

A little secret about sanders is that dust collection is more important than most people thing. For polishing, it doesn't matter. But for sanding, dust trapped under the pad is the biggest factor that slows you down. Not lack of power.
 

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I have an IR, No issues & I'll lost count of how many cars it's been used on over the past 20 years or so.

It's a model 311
 
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If you're planning to take it down to bare metal a 7-9in rotary with 9in #80 discs will strip a car in a morning (including coffee breaks). I did an entire '70 Ranchero in a little over 2 hours.
 
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After spending 11 years in the bodyshop, I cannot imagine trying to use an electric. But then again, that was 30 years ago I walked out into a new career. I can only imagine that technology has only gotten better with the electrics for cars.

I know there is no way I could do a car with my Bosch for wood working. Variable speed on the trigger is a must. I do know if I was still doing it professionally, I would have one with a dust collection system. All the dust and fumes is why I gave it up.
 

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After spending 11 years in the bodyshop, I cannot imagine trying to use an electric. But then again, that was 30 years ago I walked out into a new career. I can only imagine that technology has only gotten better with the electrics for cars.

I know there is no way I could do a car with my Bosch for wood working. Variable speed on the trigger is a must. I do know if I was still doing it professionally, I would have one with a dust collection system. All the dust and fumes is why I gave it up.

There are brushless electric DA sanders that will go head to head with the best pneumatic sanders out there (and are designed for wet sanding). They're spendy though. But still cheaper than an 80 gallon compressor.
 

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There are brushless electric DA sanders that will go head to head with the best pneumatic sanders out there (and are designed for wet sanding). They're spendy though. But still cheaper than an 80 gallon compressor.

Makes sense with the technology Milwaukee has with the M12/18 lineup. 30 years ago I would have never imagined the impacts and ratchets and polishers I was using that were compressor driven have been replaced with batteries. Honestly, if my 60 gallon SpeedAir died tomorrow I would be hard pressed to replace it with one the same size.
 

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There are brushless electric DA sanders that will go head to head with the best pneumatic sanders out there (and are designed for wet sanding). They're spendy though. But still cheaper than an 80 gallon compressor.
A brushless electric DA isn't going to power all my other air tools though. An 80gal compressor will. & replacing all my air tools with electric would cost far more than an 80 gal compressor.
 

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A brushless electric DA isn't going to power all my other air tools though. An 80gal compressor will. & replacing all my air tools with electric would cost far more than an 80 gal compressor.

Agreed. The air vs corded vs cordless debate is something that's not going away any time soon. What works for some is not always the right option for another.

I chose air, because air tools are cheap and last damn near forever. Plus they work in a detached garage across a wider temperature range than my body is comfortable with, and they're completely safe around water (unlike many corded tools).

But aside from my blasting cabinet (about 20CFM), DA (17CFM), and rivet buster (something like 35CFM, but my 24CFM compressor has no trouble keeping up since you really can't get close to 100% trigger time with this anyway), every other use I have for compressed air could be met by a good 20 gallon compressor. So, if a DA is the only thing on YOUR list, then the cost of that one electric tool might be much less than the cost of upgrading compressors. Anyway, the choice isn't always that clear cut.
 
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Thanks all for the advice, I will update what it’s like, the car has only had paint work on one panel and I’m not going to bare metal, it’s trust for flatting the paintwork, I will never be taking a car to bare metal so I’m hoping it will work ok
 

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Thanks all for the advice, I will update what it’s like, the car has only had paint work on one panel and I’m not going to bare metal, it’s trust for flatting the paintwork, I will never be taking a car to bare metal so I’m hoping it will work ok
In that case, ya found a pretty spiffy set :)
 
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Update,,, the sanders have all been delivered and I have connected them up and they work fantastic, to be fair the 6” da makes the compressor run almost continuous but for how often I will be using it that’s not an issue

HOWEVER my wife has had a go and I’m now having to build an enclosure for the compressor because it’s to loud,
 

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Excellent. Almost continuous is still good enough.

I recall several threads about quieting compressors. Just be careful of trapping heat.
 

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Electric is the way to go if you're going with either a Mirka, AirVantage (which makes Mirka's electric sanders) or the new 3M/Festool sanders.These are expensive but worth every dime as they are brushless, which really matters in a body shop all of which are filled with dust. These have the same low center of gravity as an air sander. Look like an air sander, and perform like an air sander. Typical high center of gravity electric sanders like those pictured above absolutely **** for autobody use as they were designed for sanding horizontal surfaces such as table tops. They blow for vertical surfaces as their top heavyness makes them quite useless. The purpose of sanding a car panel is to make it uniformly flat. You achieve that by having the entire disk of the sander on the surface at the same time. This is really hard to do on a vertical surface with the high center of gravity electric sanders.
 
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I tend to design in my head but so far I have made a box of solid insulation which will be sandwiched in between 18mm mdf on the inside lined with sound foam and will have 18mm osb on the outside, the insulation is 75mm foil faced that I already had and is purely for additional mass,
I’m going to add baffled air vents front and rear with an extraction fan for air flow, I will put the air inlet just I front of the fan,

I’m looking to film the progress so will update when it’s finished
 

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Update,,, the sanders have all been delivered and I have connected them up and they work fantastic, to be fair the 6” da makes the compressor run almost continuous but for how often I will be using it that’s not an issue

HOWEVER my wife has had a go and I’m now having to build an enclosure for the compressor because it’s to loud,
The majority of the noise comes from the intake. People construct mufflers similar to those found on cars, but from plastic. Makes a huge difference.
I'm already deaf so didn't bother.
 
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So far so good although if it were being used all day every day I think a bigger compressor would be in order, the silent housing makes a massive difference, before and after are at the start of the video

 
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