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I've been wanting to learn for quite some time and I think I'm going to take the first step in learning. I was gonna pickup the titanium flux 125 from harbor freight since it's not a huge investment and from what I have watched and read about it, it seems to be a good one to start with. Any input on this? I will obviously need more than just the welder, proper PPE a table and what else will I need to get started?

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check some you tube videos . get some scraps of metal. the metal needs to be clean and free of rust for best results so grinding is essential so an angle grinder & some discs
some clamps that will be delegated to welding. ( don't use your good woodworking clamps)
 

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See if your local community college has a class. I used to be a production welder for summers in college, but I still want to take a class someday to learn the right way.
 

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You'll need a better welder than a cheapie flux core if you really want to learn to weld. You'll be miles ahead by spending the money on welding classes at a local college, if possible. Not a good skill to try to learn solely from YouTube.
 

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There are two schools of thought.
One do it right get a proper machine and take a class. This is the most productive and greatest return on an investment.

Two buy a cheap machine watch videos and hope you don't kill yourself or somebody else. There is a whole section on safety that most of the utubers missed. There is a lot of things related to the process of welding that you should be aware of.

You will get one or the other. I have made a decent amount of money from welding and it has never been my primary source of income it is just one of the services I offer.

The more education you get the better off you will be.
 
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The reason I was taking this approach opposed to the classes at the college is because I can't see myself getting in any major projects at the moment anyways. Was thinking more along the lines of small projects brackets ECT. This would be to test the waters to see if I am even going to like doing it or even be good at it. I'm sure if I take a liking to it I will definitely see myself taking classes.

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The main problem is that for the cost of a welding class at many of the local community colleges, you could have yourself a nice Miller 210, own your gas bottle, and run a new electrical circuit for less. I'm talking about a proper class that gives you enough classroom time to really practice. Welding is not rocket science. It is mostly about practice and experience.
 

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I learned in my auto shop class in high school it is fun I do get to do it occasionally at work too. I learned on a Harbor Freight welder at school at work we have a good one. It is really easy to learn when you get the hang of it. The local community college here has a welding class it cost $350 which really isn’t bad.


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I went the take a class route first and am glad I did. Without getting some quality instruction first, I would have no idea if I was really doing it right or if my welds were good. The class was about 40 hours, covered safety, OA welding, MIG, how to weld with both as well as setting up equipment...plus lots more than I have seen in Youtube videos. I also was able to try out several different welders before buying my own.

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See if you have a friend with a good Mig with a bottle and have him show you, then let you practice if you drop a few bills on him for consumables.......that will let you know if you want to drop the money on your own setup.
 

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Cheapest way to get into welding is go buy a stick (Arc) welder. Get some 6011 and 7018 rods and practice. If you look around you can probably get a machine, hood and some rods for under $150. if you can get good at running beads of 7018 that is a great start. If you want to go further look for a decent 220v mig machine. This is a bigger investment and will be over $1000 with machine, gas bottle, wire.
 

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You should buy a $1500 Miller and get an associates degree in welding technology before you lay down a bead. If you decide you don’t like it you can leave the welder sit in the corner of the garage to pile **** on top of.

Or

Get the welder you are interested in and pick up a helmet gloves Maybe a cheap cart and a welding table.

Contrary to popular belief, people get better at welding by- well, welding.

If you decide you don’t like it, then you’re out a few hundred bucks.

They’re probably 1 million videos on YouTube of “average Joe” laying down a usable bead with a cheap welder


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It's tricky.

Welds can look good and not be adequate for their purpose.

MIG is particularly bad for that.

Decide what your goals are, as mentioned above.

You are concentrating on equipment when knowledge is the more important first step.

For instance, you don't need a table or a cart to begin.

It depends how deep you want to go and what you are willing to spend.

As mentioned above, to have pro skills you need professional instruction whether or not you decide to get certified.

If you just want to stick your toe in and see if you like it, the idea of finding a welder and getting him to show you some things and letting you try it out is a good idea.

Like any other skill you need to learn the terminology and practice the mechanical skills.

The advantage of instruction is that an instructor can correct your mistakes and suggest things that make your work better and easier.

And practice, practice, practice!

Welding is a super power! All of a sudden everything metal is your *****! You can cut things apart and put them together however you like. Right now I'm cutting apart a junk trailer to make a table from its parts.

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If you just want to do small personal projects, odds 'n ends around the house - I personally wouldn't really bother with welding classes. Get a machine and start sticking things together. You can learn a lot from YouTube...

If you are looking to do it professionally, or do "safety critical" things like welding structural components onto vehicles for other people - then you will need to take actual structured classes.

My only problem with that Titanium 125 is it doesn't look like it can be upgraded to MIG. So once you better and want to move up to gas mig welding, you basically have to get another machine. It's not the end of the world though, you could probably sell it for just about as much as you bought it.

The most important thing is to invest in some decent protective equipment. Get an auto-dimming mask with the biggest window you can find/afford, get decent gloves that give you good flexibility/dexterity, and get a welding jacket. Even the fabric welding jackets from Tractor Supply are fine if you don't want to shell out for a leather one. It's just not for the protection factor - having decent protective equipment makes welding much more enjoyable.
 

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I took a class at the local high school and then bought myself a quality machine to continue at home. The class was cheaper than the supplies I went through during the learning process.

Practice practice practice.
 

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If you are going to buy a 120V welder, you better have a 20A circuit to plug it into !

I would spend the extra and get a welder that you can add gas to. You will get better welds.

Practice practice practice.

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Spend the money on a reasonable quality welder, visit youtube, watch videos, acquire steel, and practice.

I don't imagine you're trying to build a pipeline or repair a bridge so don't over complicate things.
 

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I've been wanting to learn for quite some time and I think I'm going to take the first step in learning. I was gonna pickup the titanium flux 125 from harbor freight since it's not a huge investment and from what I have watched and read about it, it seems to be a good one to start with. Any input on this? I will obviously need more than just the welder, proper PPE a table and what else will I need to get started?

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Welding is a lot of fun, I think you’ll agree.

To actually answer your question:
- The fluxcore Titanium welder will be just fine for now. It’s leaps and bounds better than the older $99 90amp AC output transformer machine. I can’t recommend trying to learn on the older machine. It’s a POS. You may likely outgrow the Titanium quickly but it doesn’t break the bank and you can keep it for small jobs/back up.

- Other stuff to get: a pair or two of welding gloves, MIG pliers, an angle grinder + cutting/grinding wheels (look into flap discs), maybe a slag hammer, couple pairs of ANSI safety glasses, a 3m half face respirator (compatible w/“welding shield”) + a few packs of 2097 P100 filters, some ear plugs (mainly for grinding), and a good welding hood. Auto darkening is nice but a cheap AD is **** compared to a nice fixed lens (i.e. a shade 10 Jackson). The top end auto darkening hood at Harbor Freight might be ok. Just remember, you only get one set of eyes. Wear shoes/boots that cover your whole foot (leather preferred, cotton fabric is “ok”, plastic/mesh absolutely not ok). Jeans (cotton) and a jacket (like a cheap cotton Dickies one at Walmart) or long sleeve shirt (cotton) are fine. If you wear anything with a hood, remove the draw string. These clothing items may get burns or holes in them, so be mindful of that.

Don’t over complicate it, buy it and have fun. Practice and try to learn as much as possible. Welding Tips and Tricks and Weld.com (anything with Bob Moffat or created after ~2017) on YouTube are excellent sources. Not too sure I’d recommend any other channels, lots of bad info out there.
 

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Problem with taking classes right now is that most classes aren't in person.

Plus there are not community colleges everywhere. I live next to a Big 10 University, as a result there is basically nothing around here other than the University. Which, shockingly, doesn't offer continuing ed welding classes.

Are there good YouTube "classes" that start out covering safety, etc?
 

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When many people want to learn to weld, they don't want to spend any real money......in case they turn out to be totally incapable and have to eat the cost.
Anybody can Mig weld.....you CAN do it. Don't get caught up in whether all your welds are going to be works of art. Most amatuer welder make some pretty welds and some that aren't as nice.......but they all seem to hold things together.
The number one BIGGEST MISTAKE you can make is buying a cheap flux core welding machine. Buy a decent machine and you will find welding to be much easier to do.
There will probably be someone who tells you how happy they are with their flux core welder. If flux core welders were good you would see everyone buying them. Nobody ever buys a flux core because it works better than a gas suppied mig. There are a lot of cheap welders sitting on shelves in the corner of someones shop and they don't even try to use them anymore. They convinced themselves that they themselves are the problem not the welder.
Start out with a decent welder and you will be successful. Then you will get even better over time. My son was 1800 miles away and I told him over the phone how to do it. 10 years later he still has the same machine and welds just fine.

My suggestion is to buy one of the "Auto Set" type machines with 220 volts. I can see you cringe at the thought of spending that much money.....but you will love it. Most new welders have no idea how to set the correct wire speed and ampherage for their project. The machines have a reference guide, but they don't look at it. With auto set all you have to do is set one dial to the wire size and the other dial to the thickness of the material and start welding. You can adjust it if you want to. Don't get just a 110 volt machine. If you want to be able to weld things thicker than sheet metal you want 220 or you will always be fighting to get decent welds. If for some reason you turn out to be that one person who is so inept that you can't weld, you can get almost all of your purchase costs back by reselling it. Nobody wants to buy HF used welders.
There are lots of things to consider when buying a welder that you won't think about on your first purchase, and it takes too long to point them out and tell you why. I would suggest a Miller 212 as its a full size machine and is built on a cart. That means the money you spend for a cart to hold a small machine isn't needed. Buy a bottle, don't rent. Miller isn't cheap, so you might look at a Hobart. You lose a few features but still get a decent machine. Things like the size and length of the weld cables and infinite control rather than stepped control go away as price decreases. If you are serious about learning to weld don't make the big mistake of "cheaping out". You want a machine that will last you a lifetime and you will be glad you bought 220 & a good machine. If you go the other way you are in for a lot of frustration and failure.



Check out IndianaOxygenCompany on Ebay. Thats where I bought several welders from and they usually have good prices. I have no affiliation other than being a happy customer.
 
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When many people want to learn to weld, they don't want to spend any real money......in case they turn out to be totally incapable and have to eat the cost.
Anybody can Mig weld.....you CAN do it. Don't get caught up in whether all your welds are going to be works of art. Most amatuer welder make some pretty welds and some that aren't as nice.......but they all seem to hold things together.
The number one BIGGEST MISTAKE you can make is buying a cheap flux core welding machine. Buy a decent machine and you will find welding to be much easier to do.
There will probably be someone who tells you how happy they are with their flux core welder. If flux core welders were good you would see everyone buying them. Nobody ever buys a flux core because it works better than a gas suppied mig. There are a lot of cheap welders sitting on shelves in the corner of someones shop and they don't even try to use them anymore. They convinced themselves that they themselves are the problem not the welder.
Start out with a decent welder and you will be successful. Then you will get even better over time. My son was 1800 miles away and I told him over the phone how to do it. 10 years later he still has the same machine and welds just fine.

My suggestion is to buy one of the "Auto Set" type machines with 220 volts. I can see you cringe at the thought of spending that much money.....but you will love it. Most new welders have no idea how to set the correct wire speed and ampherage for their project. The machines have a reference guide, but they don't look at it. With auto set all you have to do is set one dial to the wire size and the other dial to the thickness of the material and start welding. You can adjust it if you want to. Don't get just a 110 volt machine. If you want to be able to weld things thicker than sheet metal you want 220 or you will always be fighting to get decent welds. If for some reason you turn out to be that one person who is so inept that you can't weld, you can get almost all of your purchase costs back by reselling it. Nobody wants to buy HF used welders.
There are lots of things to consider when buying a welder that you won't think about on your first purchase, and it takes too long to point them out and tell you why. I would suggest a Miller 212 as its a full size machine and is built on a cart. That means the money you spend for a cart to hold a small machine isn't needed. Buy a bottle, don't rent. Miller isn't cheap, so you might look at a Hobart. You lose a few features but still get a decent machine. Things like the size and length of the weld cables and infinite control rather than stepped control go away as price decreases. If you are serious about learning to weld don't make the big mistake of "cheaping out". You want a machine that will last you a lifetime and you will be glad you bought 220 & a good machine. If you go the other way you are in for a lot of frustration and failure.



Check out IndianaOxygenCompany on Ebay. Thats where I bought several welders from and they usually have good prices. I have no affiliation other than being a happy customer.



Haven’t people been welding with flux, for the last hundred years or so?


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Buy a cheapie, watch some Jodi from weldingtipsandtricks or if Chucke2009 videos are still on youtube etc. There is more free info at weldingweb and youtube than you could ever consume.

I took a welding class at our local college to fulfill an election credit. And yeah it was worthwhile, but certainly not a requirement to learn to weld. I also would not spend $500 and hundreds of hours of time to 'learn how to weld' unless I planned on making a living at it personally..

Having welded oxy fuel, stick, mig, flux and tig I would pick having a Tig machine 100% of the time. It is slow, but I do not do production work. It is also the most essspensive and complicated.

Get a cheap fixed shade helmet, some leather gloves, a cotton jacket and a pair of pliers. The reason why people say no synthetic fabrics is because you want to wear something that either won't burn (leather etc.) or something that will burn (cotton etc.) You Do Not Want wear something that will MELT. Having your jacket melt into you is going to be a worse day than sticking a filler rod through your sleeve.
 
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I went ahead with the flux machine today. Got a lot of positive encouraging on this machine when I talked to enough people. Still learning the basics definitely have to fine tune the wire speed and voltage for my material. I burned though a few spots. I was able to stick two pieces together and hit it with a mini sledge and it didn't fall apart [emoji16]. Well here are photos for my accomplishment. First time doing this7a891acb46b1f64db9d463956bec125a.jpg3f3be67186219cb983b3546f2861fbd0.jpgc127a837ca71e93a05c5d0685e51fcb8.jpg

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All right! You're there, in the 95th percentile of home shop welders. Hitting it with a hammer and not having it fall apart put you in the top 50%. Having a couple spots showing bead ripples elevated you the rest of the way. Keep practicing and just use it as you intended to. It'll be handy.
 

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Yep those look like a beginner's turkey turds! :)

The biggest tip I can give is to slow your roll, those blobs are due to you rushing, you have to learn to wait for the puddle.
 
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I'm just happy to be able to even get pieces sticking together. Definitely working on my technique as I can feel myself. I definitely need to familiarize myself with metal gauge. I'm using calipers to get the mm then I am referring to a chart. And follow the chart on the machine for heat and wire speed. I do notice I tend to burn through when I first start. Is that a wire speed or heat adjustment? I've just been dialing back both till I get it not to burn through rushing605184a0de08bd5b39f1f7e46cba97a2.jpg

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MIG welders typically have two adjustments: voltage and wire speed.

The voltage in this case determines how "long" the arc is. The higher you set your voltage, the longer the arc will be. The arc length is the distance between the piece you are welding and where the end of the wire is being burned off. The longer the arc, the more heat into the weld.

The wire speed adjusts just that: How fast the wire is being fed into the arc. The welder's goal is to maintain that specific arc voltage/length as mentioned earlier. What this means is that as you turn up the wire speed, the welder needs to cram more amps to keep the weld burning away fast enough. The more wire speed/amps, the more heat into the weld.

So basically what I'm getting at, is that both adjustments will effect the "heat" of the weld and work together. So it's not completely straight forward how to adjust both of them. Eventually you'll get a feel for what works best for your welder. The best thing you can do is just keep playing with the knobs until you get something you like.

For general hobby use, you can use this:

- Adjust the voltage to set your "penetration" depth, or how "deep" into the metal the heat will go. Thicker metal needs higher voltages, thinner metal lower voltage. Very high voltages will blow through thin metal, while very low voltages won't penetrate deeply into thick metal.

- After setting the voltage, adjust your wire speed so you get a nice constant "bacon sizzling" sound. If your wire speed is too low, you'll see the arc strike, the wire quickly burn away, and the arc will go out, repeating over and over. If the wire speed is too high, you'll feel the gun pushing away from you and the weld will be unstable.

This page has a great video: https://www.mig-welding.co.uk/wire-speed.htm

What I said above is just a "rule of thumb", and it's not really 100% "correct" if you were taking a welding exam, but good enough for hobby use.
 

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If you can teach yourself with a cheap machine, and lay good beads with it, it will only get easier if you upgrade and progress. I like stick welding, maybe it's a control issue, but, you can choose the right electrode for the job. I l "learned" using discarded brake rotors and exhaust couplers. I have **** welders based on this board. The chicago 125 was my first, paid for itself within a week, I practiced hard soon as I bought it, use lincoln wire. I also have the titanium 225 stick, I love that machine, light, both ac and dc, and you can use whatever electrodes to suit your needs. Practice, practice, practice, plus 120v let's you practice almost anywhere. The titanium stick also paid for itself within a week with exhaust jobs. Buy 2 grinders, one for disc, and one for wire wheel/cup, changing them gets old, fast.
 

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I have a Titanium 125 and an older HF 90amp AC welder that I converted to DC-EN with $20 worth of parts by following a U-tube vid.
Welded a lot of stuff with that AC box and had been using it for 10 years before coverting it to DC-EN and then bought the Titanium 125 when it 1st came out.
I had prior welding experience/classes but no flux core, and found this vid helpful:

The Titanium 125 thread, here at GJ:
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=430172

go for it, your choices are sound.
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I took a welding class in high school and kept with it since then. I taught myself how to weld and by word of mouth have people bring me things to weld. I'm confident in my work.

That said, it took me years of practice and welding to get where I'm at. I mostly stick weld but occasionally tig weld but that's a recent development. What helped me the most is actually seeing the puddle. In the beginning it's easy to get caught up going through the motions. Once you can see and manipulate the puddle, welding gets easier.
 
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Thanks for the posting feedback! I did notice I'm holding my breath for whatever reason so I'm learning to breath while I lay a bead lol. Didn't think something so simple would cause me to hold my breath. Also ordered myself a respirator and cartridges that should be here Sunday. I went with the 3m 60923 with the p100 on front. Figured I could use it for welding and painting

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I went ahead with the flux machine today. Got a lot of positive encouraging on this machine when I talked to enough people. Still learning the basics definitely have to fine tune the wire speed and voltage for my material. I burned though a few spots. I was able to stick two pieces together and hit it with a mini sledge and it didn't fall apart [emoji16]. Well here are photos for my accomplishment. First time doing this
Ok you are on your way...

I've watched a lot of welding vids and never once seen anything about using something/anything as a guide/support for your WELDING HAND.
Flux core is not done FREE HAND like stick welding but instead with your welding hand supported by something-even just you pinky touching the table top, or over your other hand.
Think about your dentist resting his/her pinky on your chin as a pivot/steady rest while working on your teeth, FLUX CORE WELDING is done the same way!!! (for me anyway).

I often position a clamp just to be a restg/guide/anchor/pivot point for my hand on welds done on or above the table.
I try to never weld with my hand dangling in the air, even just your elbow tight against you side adds stability to your welding hand.
It seems like, to me, most of this is assumed and never mentioned.
JMO,
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Edit: I suggest you get real good at horizontal welding before attempting anything vertical or overhead.
 
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