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Steel building. Vertical or horizontal walls?

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I'm prepping a 20X20 pad to put a storage building on. I was going to stick build it, but man....lumber prices are ridiculous. A steel building is cheaper and they'll have it set up in a day (once they get here in 6-10 weeks) I'm down to deciding if I want vertical or horizontal wall metal. Any input on one vs the other?
 
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It’s a personal taste thing. I prefer vertical but most of my customers go with horizontal. The vertical is more expensive, requires some extra attention to the concrete and takes longer.
 
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It’s a personal taste thing. I prefer vertical but most of my customers go with horizontal. The vertical is more expensive, requires some extra attention to the concrete and takes longer.

They're telling me the vertical is stronger. Dunno. It's definitely more money.

What extra attention is required to the slab?

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I think I get the extra attention...the vertical ridges take more effort to seal at the bottom.
 
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It is a bit stiffer because more screws will be installed.
We usually form a notch in the concrete for the siding to go below the top of the slab so there is no water intrusion. On horizontal we install a base flashing.
If they told you to make the slab bigger than the building you need to have a conversation about how it really is going to be done.
 
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It is a bit stiffer because more screws will be installed.
We usually form a notch in the concrete for the siding to go below the top of the slab so there is no water intrusion. On horizontal we install a base flashing.
If they told you to make the slab bigger than the building you need to have a conversation about how it really is going to be done.

They didn't ask anything about the slab other than what size building I wanted. I'm assuming 20X20 means a 20X20 pad also.
 

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The company should provide some basic concrete details including the actual building size. I presume we are talking about a tube steel building. With the building at the edge of the slab angle clips will be required to move the anchors away from the edge so they don’t blow out the concrete.

Will there be permits required? Will the company provide stamped foundation plans?
 

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My steel building kit was delivered July 10. Crew has been working since then and still not done. If you can get it done in a day, more power to you.
 
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The company should provide some basic concrete details including the actual building size. I presume we are talking about a tube steel building. With the building at the edge of the slab angle clips will be required to move the anchors away from the edge so they don’t blow out the concrete.

Will there be permits required? Will the company provide stamped foundation plans?

No permits required. They will provide stamped drawings if required or desired.

It's a one price deal. Everything is included. Design, delivery and set up. One day build for something simple like this. Viking Steel Structures. They sell online for the manufacturers. A roving team of installation contractors show up and set it up.
 
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My steel building kit was delivered July 10. Crew has been working since then and still not done. If you can get it done in a day, more power to you.

A 20 X 20 won't take them long. It's a lego set. No idea what size your building is, but youtube has hundreds of videos showing them building these in one day.
 
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Somehow it has not been made clear to the OP the fact that the rain running down the siding needs to continue down the side of the slab... NUT run onto the level top of the slab.

I do not know how it is done, but the water to inside of building seems to be the main complaint of these building owners.

And "Caulk it" is not the answer... Rather the siding has to somehow direct ALL rain to dirt.

Someone here in the know here should clarify.

Marc
 
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Somehow it has not been made clear to the OP the fact that the rain running down the siding needs to continue down the side of the slab... NUT run onto the level top of the slab.

I do not know how it is done, but the water to inside of building seems to be the main complaint of these building owners.

And "Caulk it" is not the answer... Rather the siding has to somehow direct ALL rain to dirt.

Someone here in the know here should clarify.

Marc

I'm aware that a steel building isn't optimal. I have a few friends here with these and they don't have issues with water intrusion. If water were to get into mine it wouldn't really be an issue. I'm storing a tractor, mower and other equipment inside this thing. All of this equipment has been stored outside for years. This will be a huge upgrade. I am all ears for anyone that has a water intrusion complaint as I haven't read about this prior to you posting it here. Maybe *you* can provide some citation?
 

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Somehow it has not been made clear to the OP the fact that the rain running down the siding needs to continue down the side of the slab... NUT run onto the level top of the slab.

I do not know how it is done, but the water to inside of building seems to be the main complaint of these building owners.

And "Caulk it" is not the answer... Rather the siding has to somehow direct ALL rain to dirt.

Someone here in the know here should clarify.

Marc

As Readhead stated, with the vertical siding, a "notch" (picture a 1-1/2" wide x 3-1/2" high void) is formed into the slab at the perimeter which allows the siding to terminate below the floor line. Correctly installed, the siding would terminate 1/4" above the bottom of the notch to prevent premature rusting of the ends.
 
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As Readhead stated, with the vertical siding, a "notch" (picture a 1-1/2" wide x 3-1/2" high void) is formed into the slab at the perimeter which allows the siding to terminate below the floor line. Correctly installed, the siding would terminate 1/4" above the bottom of the notch to prevent premature rusting of the ends.

Thanks. I figured this out and changed the spec to horizontal. I don't really care about the orientation and my wife said she preferred the horizontal appearance anyway. Saves me $1000 or more and should be easier to seal it up.
 

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I hope you have a fixed erecting price.

It is fixed price but that doesnt mean there arent impacts due to the delay. Only 3500 sq-ft but I think they underestimated extra time due to the roof overhangs on all four sides and the relatively high walls that made wall sheeting a more difficult task. But main issue is crew attendance, with an average 28 hour work week. Judging by actual hours worked (and not knowing if there was a more efficient way to do any of the work) I think this was still a 4-5 week job.
 

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I'm prepping a 20X20 pad to put a storage building on. ... A steel building is cheaper and they'll have it set up in a day ...

My steel building kit was delivered July 10. Crew has been working since then and still not done. If you can get it done in a day, more power to you.

Only 3500 sq-ft but I think they underestimated extra time ... I think this was still a 4-5 week job.

I dunno... I feel like a 400 square foot building might go up faster than a 3,500 square foot building.
 

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I dunno... I feel like a 400 square foot building might go up faster than a 3,500 square foot building.

My 13yr old boy at the time and I put up a 18x40 in a day and a half. I’m with you, you’ll be fine and congrats on the new building.
 

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It is a bit stiffer because more screws will be installed.
We usually form a notch in the concrete for the siding to go below the top of the slab so there is no water intrusion. On horizontal we install a base flashing.
If they told you to make the slab bigger than the building you need to have a conversation about how it really is going to be done.
and the jack's at eagle and the person who sold me my building messed me up back in 2008 and I definitely will not use that company for my 30x60 that I'm going to do. So the only way to really remedy my situation now is to keep caulking it ever so often I guess. I've been trying different things over the years and have used better and better each time.
 

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Makesure to add gutters to the building. That makes a big difference in preventing water intrusion and eliminated eroding the slab foundation. When you design the spacing for the frame makesure its 4' between incase you want to add insulation in the future. Adding caulk to bottom frame when they lay it helps as well.
 

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One thing to consider with horizontal is the dust will settle on the ribs because there is a semi flat surface to land on, other then that it's whatever pleases you.
 
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