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07Forester

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My girlfriends mom has this old table that's pretty beat up. I know the table is full wood and she says she wants it re-finished.

I've never really done any type of woodworking other than making enclosures, etc. How would I even go about doing this task? What, if any tools would I need to get it done properly?

I am the "handy" man around their house. My girlfriends father died and nobody really fixes anything around the house and sadly my girlfriends brother is too involved with being drunk and spending all of the time at the house locked away in his bedroom with his girlfriend. He LITERALLY does NOTHING for them.

Any help is appreciated.
 
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You need to get yourself a random orbit sander and some 120, 240, 320 grit disks. First use a citrus type cleaner to remove any surface contaminants like oil, grease dirt. this is so you don't clog up the disks too quickly. Then have at it with the 120 to remove the old finish, if's it's really stuborn you can try 80 grit. Then smooth it out with the 240 and then 320. Next vaccuum and use a tack rag to remove any dust and apply your finish. 3 coats should be good. after the first coat hit it again with the 320 to remove any grain that gets raised by the finish.

I like to use a polyurethane finish like minwax or varathane. A foam brush works better then a brisle brush. stir to mix, do not shake the can or you will get air bubbles. if you do see an air bubble you can give it a puff of breath on it and it will dissapear.

I don't really like the chemcial strippers since they are aweful on your lungs and it's a big mess.
 

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I agree, but start at 80 and stop at 120, use your stain, retacky cloth, and use arm-r-seal topcoat with a very light 1000 grit sponge and tacky between coats for 5-7 coats.


You need to get yourself a random orbit sander and some 120, 240, 320 grit disks. First use a citrus type cleaner to remove any surface contaminants like oil, grease dirt. this is so you don't clog up the disks too quickly. Then have at it with the 120 to remove the old finish, if's it's really stuborn you can try 80 grit. Then smooth it out with the 240 and then 320. Next vaccuum and use a tack rag to remove any dust and apply your finish. 3 coats should be good. after the first coat hit it again with the 320 to remove any grain that gets raised by the finish.

I like to use a polyurethane finish like minwax or varathane. A foam brush works better then a brisle brush. stir to mix, do not shake the can or you will get air bubbles. if you do see an air bubble you can give it a puff of breath on it and it will dissapear.

I don't really like the chemcial strippers since they are aweful on your lungs and it's a big mess.
 

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Solid wood doesn't always mean it's the same wood throughout. Sometimes they put an expensive/nice wood veneer over something cheap like poplar, etc. I'm not sure how to explain how to tell if it's a veneer or not but be careful sanding, if it is a veneer it doesn't take much to sand right through it.
 
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07Forester

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Ok. So. Here's th list of stuff I have based upon your suggestions.
Random Orbital sander
80 grit sandpaper
120 grit sandpaper
240 grit sandpaper
320 grit sandpaper
foam brushes
tack cloth
citrus cleaner
stain


Anything else? Like I said. I haven't done this before and everything listed above I do not have. I have sand paper sheets but not sanding discs. This should be pretty fun. Any other advice? I'm assuming the legs and delicate areas will have to be done by hand?
 

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If you plan on staining the table top. You can start with 80 grit sandpaper, but stop with 120, then stain. If you sand up to 340 you will close the pores of the wood and the stain with not take well.

I have been in the "ready to finish furniture" business for over 43 years. I have finished thousands of pieces of furniture. Use a good quality stain (not Minwax). Rockler sells finishes made by General Finishes as do most "ready to finish furniture stores". They have great products that are easy to use.
 

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If you plan on staining the table top. You can start with 80 grit sandpaper, but stop with 120, then stain. If you sand up to 340 you will close the pores of the wood and the stain with not take well.

I have been in the "ready to finish furniture" business for over 43 years. I have finished thousands of pieces of furniture. Use a good quality stain (not Minwax). Rockler sells finishes made by General Finishes as do most "ready to finish furniture stores". They have great products that are easy to use.

I agree on the sanding grits.
What is wrong with Minwax?
How do you like the stain/polyurethane all in one products?

You will still need some clear urethane after you stain it.
 

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Hi,

Sounds like you are getting some very good advise, if at all possible before you begin the work I would look for a woodworking store or a small hardware store. Go in and talk to them about the project as they will head you in the right direction. You can buy all your supplies for the project and ask for more help at the same time.

If you use any chemicals be sure to work in an open area and use the proper safety equipment,as fumes from stripping old finishes can overcome people very fast.

One member talked about wood veneer (a thin layer of fine wood glued over a cheaper wood) it only takes seconds with a sander to destroy the piece , if in doubt ask someone else that might know.

At the wood working store see if they have any books on refinishing as this will make your life much easier.

All the best and good luck.
 

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My thoughts: Start with stripping it. You don't know where you are without pulling off the old finish with stripper. Heavy sanding is not recommended on a refinish as it is too rough on the wood. Put away your sander, it is not needed unless there are major gouges or you are trying to create more work for yourself. The Wood's patina will not be destroyed with stripper, I recommend Strip-eze, use with heavy gloves, an apron and in a well ventilated area. Remove the stripper and old finish with putty knoves and med "0"grit steel wool. When you get to the sanding phase, hand sand only with the grain, start with 80-100 grit, finish with 120 grit. Sanding finer will polish the wood and the stain will not lay down evenly. Then stain, I am partial to water based stains if you use varnish or shellac as your protective sealer, oil for Laquer. The stained wood will look flat and dull after staining, do not sand- start putting on the varnish, do not sand out debris or imperfections in the varnish until your 2nd or 3rd coat, you do not want to sand through the stain to bare wood, it will make the color uneven and look bad. The key to a good top coat is sanding the coat underneath with 320 grit until evenly dull (do not touch hard edges at all), wipe with your clean, damp hand and then a wax tack cloth. Make sure the finish is at least 65 degrees so it will flow and level well. Sitting the varnish can outside in the sun for a half hour before opening it, it should have the consistency of warm, not hot, maple syrup. I recommend marine interior varnishes (z spar, Petit, Interlux West Marine brand- Minwax in a pinch), satin only- gloss is for exterior only. Why these marine brands?- they are higher quality and have better flow characteristics, so the brush marks go bye bye and you look like you went to college for this stuff. Brushes are a debate a mile long, I hear everything from foam brushes to badger hair- the key to a good brush is how you dip it, seriously.. I use chinese bristle, it is like the middle road, I place more emphasis on the fairing of the undercoats and the kind of varnish, good varnish makes you look like a pro with little effort, remember Varathane is for floors and bar tops, not furniture. Stir varnish, do not shake, bubbles are your enemy. A good varnish job is 4-6 coats, depends on how much grain detail you want in your finish. You will be amazed how quickly the last coat dries when sanded with 320 well before applying.
My credentials? I have a boat with varnished teak (15 coats), and a house full of restored antiques.
Hope this helps.
 
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