The VISES of Garage Journal

[KMScott]

ChefRex:
That split nut looks damaged to me. The red arrow points to the area I’d be concerned about. It’s risky to take that out.
The black arrow points to what I’d expect to see on a split nut.
Maybe you don’t REALLY need to disassemble it to clean it up. If that split nut falls apart, I don’t know where you’d get a replacement.

I had a Reed once with that split nut arrangement. The previous owner evidently had trouble so he just welded it up tight. Not cool!

A while back, IIRC Joe Striper had a split nut made by Kevin Scott. Kevin may be able to give you some advice as to what to do for a replacement. (Kevin is "Out of the Business, but maybe his successors can help.)

PghJKB

The Collar is a two piece design and machined from cast material. After it is machined then it is broken most likely with a chisel. There is plenty of threads so cleaning up the chewed area will not effect the collar to much. I added a couple pictures showing what the spindle and collar looks like, Reed also added a hardened washer so be sure to not loose that. Clean everything as good as you can and maybe use a STP slippery type of oil to help you un screw the collar. I used a punch and the spindle handle to un screw the collar instead of beating on it with the punch.

 

[budget76]

Anyone know anything about these? Yale 150. Czech I understand. Are the lockdown bolts correct? Basically just carriage bolts securing it to the base. How does the screw come out? Thanks!


Edit: YORK not YALE! Doh...

did you just pick that up from the Wallingford CT area? Saw one that looked very similar that I should have bit on and it was gone when I went to find the ad again

 

[Shiftless]

ChefRex, you shouldn’t have to "live with some freeplay". If you loosen the set screw that holds the collar in position and then tap the collar CW you should be able to get the freeplay where you want it. Look up patent no. 2127008. It gives you a good idea of what things look like.

Mike

I agree. My caution I posted earlier pertained to trying to remove the entire split nut assembly. Like Mike said, just loosen the set screw, (after soaking the screw and the split nut with penetrating oil), and adjust the split nut as needed. Then tighten the set screw to hold that setting.
The big risk that I see is unscrewing that split nut all the way and having it break into more than 2 pieces. Maybe I’m just being overly cautious.

Follow the advice of KMScott. You can’t get more qualified advice from anybody, period.


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[leftyz]

Picked up this monster today, 157lbs, any info would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Shiftless]

Does anybody here have worries about fire destroying their collection of vintage vises or other collectible tools? Will your homeowner policy cover your loss? Do you need a separate rider?
I talked with my agent yesterday and started a new thread about it.

Here is a link if your interested.

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=463204

 

[ChefRex]

Thank you gentlemen for all the advice, it's good to have a little more of an idea of what the lay out is.

 

[davethorik]

Picked up this monster today, 157lbs, any info would be greatly appreciated.

That thing is awesome!

 

[ChefRex]

All came apart smoothly
On to degreasing. Thanks again.


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[txlonghorn1989]

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In the last picture you can see my Bugatti positioned across from my 1894 Lightning Vise. Two exceptionally rare and beautiful vises. Enjoy

Never seen a Lightning vise. That is cute as a bug!!!

 

[KMScott]

Picked up this monster today, 157lbs, any info would be greatly appreciated.

First time I seen a Hollands with replaceable jaws, they look like American Scale jaws since they are so beefy. Does the casting look like No 60, if so then it should have 6" wide jaws and open to around 10".

 

[leftyz]

First time I seen a Hollands with replaceable jaws, they look like American Scale jaws since they are so beefy. Does the casting look like No 60, if so then it should have 6" wide jaws and open to around 10".

Looking at it closer i believe the jaws were added onto it, the front jaw fits poorly and there's damage on the original jaw beneath it. It also appears that the vise used to close more than it currently does, by looking at the slide.

I'll have to measure the opening width tomorrow, I'll post a pic.

 

[Ryan_340]

Picked up this monster today, 157lbs, any info would be greatly appreciated.

Any chance you found it in PA? I seen one just like it listed local to me on marketplace.

 

[leftyz]

Any chance you found it in PA? I seen one just like it listed local to me on marketplace.

Yeah it was listed in Gillett, i messaged the guy 7 minutes after he posted it

 

[Ryan_340]

Yeah it was listed in Gillett, i messaged the guy 7 minutes after he posted it

Yep, that was the one! Not to far from me.

 

[leftyz]

Yep, that was the one! Not to far from me.

Small world!

 

[Z3K3Y]

Any ideas what this is? Its for sale. but too far from me to pick up. It doesnt appear to be super heavy. I think ive seen a hollands with the similar flat bar on the side. but no swivel was on that one. the swivel lock handle might be a give away for you experts.

 

[Outlawmws]

I don't remember the maker, but its pretty obvious the retaining collar is not where is belongs!

 

[Z3K3Y]

I don't remember the maker, but its pretty obvious the retaining collar is not where is belongs!

Haha, yes i noticed that too. I guess im more curious than anything. I have no plans on buying it.

 

[va.grouseman]

I don't remember the maker, but its pretty obvious the retaining collar is not where is belongs!

Just came loose.---Needs a set screw.---No biggy.

 

[va.grouseman]

Here's one that's similar but is a stationary with variations.

 

[va.grouseman]

Few more pics.

 

[leftyz]

First time I seen a Hollands with replaceable jaws, they look like American Scale jaws since they are so beefy. Does the casting look like No 60, if so then it should have 6" wide jaws and open to around 10".

Some more pics, it opens to about 10.5" and that's it.

 

[va.grouseman]

Looks like a Prentiss split base it's setting on.---That would be a first for me, seeing a factory Hollands split base.---Rare find.

 

[leftyz]

Looks like a Prentiss split base it's setting on.---That would be a first for me, seeing a factory Hollands split base.---Rare find.[emoji106]

Tried to clean up and used chalk on the model number..

 

[GETRIDAONE]

Any ideas what this is? Its for sale. but too far from me to pick up. It doesnt appear to be super heavy. I think ive seen a hollands with the similar flat bar on the side. but no swivel was on that one. the swivel lock handle might be a give away for you experts.

The same as my Hollands except the lock handle is a cast one. I bet it is older with with the cool swivel handle. There is no model # on mine ? The collar is staked on the shaft and has some play in it. The jaws are 3" and opens 3 1/4"

 

[KMScott]

Tried to clean up and used chalk on the model number..

I made the assumption it is a Hollands 60. Strange vise, after looking at the jaws which now looks like Rock Islands but thicker, Prentiss style base that might also be a retro fit since it has a plunger on the Static possibly for the original base it had. Never did read how wide the jaws are. maybe I missed that. Thanks lefty.

 

[leftyz]

I made the assumption it is a Hollands 60. Strange vise, after looking at the jaws which now looks like Rock Islands but thicker, Prentiss style base that might also be a retro fit since it has a plunger on the Static possibly for the original base it had. Never did read how wide the jaws are. maybe I missed that. Thanks lefty.

Jaws are 6 inches wide

 

[Vono]

Hello

Thought i'd post a few pics of this here.

It's not that old but i haven't seen that many.

It's a Record SQ4 & I bought it new about 18 years ago. I believe they were made towards the end of Record production before being taken over by Irwin (no doubt others are more knowledgeable).

It has a really rather cool quick release feature operated via the handle, if my dodgy photos show it ok the instruction sticker is still on it.

Thanks

 

[KMScott]

Thanks again Lefty, jaws has me puzzled. Maybe a custom made set. Rock Island 577 has three screws and has an offset channel like yours.

 

[dannyr]

Hello

Thought i'd post a few pics of this here.

It's not that old but i haven't seen that many.

It's a Record SQ4 & I bought it new about 18 years ago. I believe they were made towards the end of Record production before being taken over by Irwin (no doubt others are more knowledgeable).

It has a really rather cool quick release feature operated via the handle, if my dodgy photos show it ok the instruction sticker is still on it.

Got in the wrong place Vono - have you shown your Vono vice(s)?

Oh, and Vono - have you shown your Vono vices ??

Thanks

Interesting -- never seen that QR on a Record and I guess it was not made for long.
About 40 years earlier (also once pre-WWII) Woden tried other types of QR on their A120 and A130 wood-working vices (also X130 or??) but none lasted for long - they reverted to the Parkinson invented (1880s) lever QR with buttress thread. All QRs risk getting jammed with dirt/grease/etc but seems to be less of a problem with the Parky type.
Several USA-made wood vises used such a QR more successfully.

 

[davethorik]

Picked this up today. Has a couple issues but a really cool vise, and the price was right.

Lewis Tool Co. no. 10 swivel jaw
4" jaws, opens 6", weighs 60 lbs.

 

[va.grouseman]

Nice Dave.---I had a shot at one of those but the price wasn't right.---In fact, was down right scary.---Nice find.

 

[va.grouseman]

I been wanting 1 of those Parkinson's "HANDY'' Ball Based vises for 5 years, but may as well be looking for Sasquatch.---Settled for a Dallas Bellows.

3'' jaws.

Opens to 3 3/4''

Weight, 18.8lbs.

 

[bastel]

So I found this Meier and Weichelt HS3 vise in the very old first gen design for 15 bucks close by (120 mm jaws, 20 kg). On the pictures in the classifieds you could see that the steel bars that hold the dynamic jaw were missing. I thought that this is no big deal and got it. Maybe somebody on instagram in europe wanted to repair it, shipping would have been dirt cheap? Nobody wanted so , I guess I had to prove how easy a repair it would be...

Well, the dynamic jaw was really hard to get out of vise, like the threads of the lead screw were messed up... We got it apart and yeah that lead screw had turned into a banana from taking all the force when clamping down (the dynamic jaw tries to go upwards, so that bent it). Ok not so easy then.

I decided to try heat from the oven filled with some charcoal and together with a Heuer 7" got it kinda straight in the 2nd attempt. Needed some cleanup after that but working fine. This part could probably be remade quite easily on a real lathe.

Now for the bars I kinda got confused and thought it to be a thin bar model. Had some matching metal and made me some low profile bolt heads and was kinda done and then realized that my model used to have thick bars. See photo with both types compared to each other. Thin bar models have a big gap there. Mine doesn't.

So I got some nice steel and got it done correctly (well they didn't use this kind of bolt head 100 years ago but it's mostly covered anyway )

Not pictured is that I am using some springy star shaped washers now, because there is like no wear on this vise, it's like you need to shim the bars a bit to give it some play to move. That said this thing is ultra precise (aside from play in the screw back and forwards), there is no play up or sideways.

Since I never really planned on getting this thing for myself, I stopped at that point and put it away, maybe some day somebody will pop up and want it...

 

[Gerard]

I been wanting 1 of those Parkinson's "HANDY'' Ball Based vises for 5 years, but may as well be looking for Sasquatch.---Settled for a Dallas Bellows.

I believe you have the two screws swapped around there. The one with the Allen hex head will fit into the hole on the bottom so it isn't sticking out. At least that's how it was when I found it. Yes, I admit I was the seller of that vise. I really thought about offering it up on here first, but I had no idea how much to ask for it, so I just slapped it up on the bay to see if anyone would bid. Really glad you ended up getting it though.

 

[va.grouseman]

Thanks Gerard, I thought it was a little odd but looked like the head on the hex bolt was too big for the hole also from first glance.---It is a sweet little vise.---Glad to add it to the collection.---Just accidently found it on eBay and used a snipe service to grab it.---I still need that Parkinson's ''HANDY'' vise to keep the Bellows company.

 

[sgtgeo]

Old Wilton 840 No 4

Pickup up to about 2hrs from me. Makes me feel a bit better about getting swindled out of the Craftsman 5197 last week

This one has no location just Pat Pend

Keyway date is 4-46

Base is different than what i've seen 1 piece and no cleats or teeth. There is a centering pin in the base

No cracks, no damage, and as crusty as it looks wear is minimal. All parts present except maybe the orig. swivel locks. Unless the large acorn nut is correct?

Could someone please post pics of the period correct swivel handles so i can make some replicas?

Any info would be appreciated

 

[Vise]

Dave - that Lewis is very cool!

 

[Vono]

Interesting -- never seen that QR on a Record and I guess it was not made for long.
About 40 years earlier (also once pre-WWII) Woden tried other types of QR on their A120 and A130 wood-working vices (also X130 or??) but none lasted for long - they reverted to the Parkinson invented (1880s) lever QR with buttress thread. All QRs risk getting jammed with dirt/grease/etc but seems to be less of a problem with the Parky type.
Several USA-made wood vises used such a QR more successfully.

Thanks for the info'.

Yes I haven't seen any others of this Record SQ type to be honest. I bought it from a hardware type shop in about 2002, the guy had three of them & said they were from a cancelled export order (as they were a very good price a friend of mine bought one of the others).
One thing I do find odd is that the vice mounting points at the sides are open ended rather than the more normal holes. I always wondered if it were maybe supposed to be mounted in something like a swivel base.

Cheers

 

[Vono]

Hello

Posted elsewhere but just in case nobody saw it here's my beloved old Vono.

The footpumps below are another of my hobbies !

Thanks