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Does anyone know if any of the current portable table saws have an arbor long enough to use datto cutters and shaper heads?

I've got an old Rockwell contractor saw from the early 80s that works great but there is no ability for dust collection and the fence isn't all that accurate so I'm looking for something new, but the shop is small enough that if I buy another saw, I think I want a smaller portable table saw.

Your thoughts?
 
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The Bosch and Dewalt will take dado blades, but I do not know how wide you could go.
I have only stacked up to about 3/8 wide.

I don't know about moulding heads though.
 

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you can upgrade the fence on just all of the old saws, and there are ways to rig dust collection on them. Google up 'dusk collection on contractor saw" and look at the pretty pictures.
 
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I dont think the portables are designed to use dado blades & molding heads.

That was my thought when I posted this thread, but I don't know all of the brands.

The Bosch and Dewalt will take dado blades, but I do not know how wide you could go.
I have only stacked up to about 3/8 wide.

I don't know about moulding heads though.

Interesting, I'll look into them, needs to cut 3/4" though to be a real candidate.

you can upgrade the fence on just all of the old saws, and there are ways to rig dust collection on them. Google up 'dusk collection on contractor saw" and look at the pretty pictures.

Upgrading the fence and cobbling a dust collection system is the other plan I am looking in to. Delta has a nice replacement fence that might be a good fit. Unfortunately, my first choice, Beisemeyer (sp) is out of my price range.
 

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Upgrading the fence and cobbling a dust collection system is the other plan I am looking in to. Delta has a nice replacement fence that might be a good fit. Unfortunately, my first choice, Beisemeyer (sp) is out of my price range.

A top of the line fence can be an overkill on a contractor saw.

Do keep in mind that most fences are adaptable; if you ever upgrade your table saw you should be able to move the fence over.
 

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I know the older DW744 saws would take a 13/16” dado stack. I bought one back then for that reason.

Current saws, it looks like the Skilsaw SPT99 will do 13/16”. I’m not sure who else,but the list is fairly short.
https://www.skilsaw.com/dado-insert-spt00a/
 

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I have a good portable Bosch TS, and have run an 6” diameter dado stack 3/4” wide. There is a bit of pucker factor, but it works. There was just enough thread to stick out past the arbor nut with no washer.

That said, if I was in your position, and didn’t need the saw to be portable I’d pony up for a shop fox classic fence and a good blade on your contractor saw. The older contractor saws were workhorses and the consistent power is nothing like the induction motor on a portable. A good tune up, maybe a fresh motor pulley and you will be so much farther ahead running a dado or any large cutter.
 

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I have a Bosch 4100 which I’ve used a 6” dado set with a fair bit. Manual says up to 13/16” dado; 1” wide, 7” diameter shaper head.
 

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I think both saws have their place and uses. The portable saws are great to haul around to job sites. I have used them for years as a finish carpenter. They have small motors, they are not designed to run the big cutting heads and dado's. The motors are very loud. Turn them on and can hear it all the way down the street.
They do sell a wobly blade for them. Like a bent saw blade, will cut a nice 1/4" dado, different blades for different widths.
Trying to cut big sheets on a small flippy floppy saw is a pita and a 2 man job.
The fences are usually crappy, but they do work. You just have to be aware of the pit falls and work around them.
For a kitchen, working with end panels for cabinets and filler strips, portable saw is perfect.

That Rockwell saw is the ideal tool. You turn it on and all you hear is the humm of the motor. Everything on it can be repaired or replaced. Make sure the bearings on the shaft are good, you do not want the blade to wobble on it. You can modify it and mount it on casters, roll it into a corner when not in use. Same time you could build 1 or 2 cabinets on castors. Same height as the saw and store tools in them, roll them off to the wall and when needed put the saws and cabs together and have a NICE professional cabinet saw. In the middle of the driveway or shop, roll away when done.

The fence is something upgraded all the time ... carpenters go to tool shows, "DUDE did you see the fence on that one!"
You need 2 things with a saw, the blade to be true, and a good fence ... Often the death of old saws is the shaft being worn to where new bearings wont fix the wobble. Then they are basically junk.
http://www.mulecab.com/tablesaw.html#OrderInfo

With all that said, I am using a portable saw still I just do not have the room for a real saw. But I get er did.
The newer Dewalts and others, still flippy floppy and just a better class of junk.
 
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I have one of those Mule Accusquare fences on my old table saw. It is sooo much better than the stock one.
 
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Great, keep the discussion going. You guys are swaying me to keep the old Rockwell and just give it a tune up.

Some of the fences mentioned above are pretty expensive though. Any love for this Delta one? Looks like it should just bolt on since the Rockwell contractor saw is the predecessor to the Delta contractor saw. Good reviews on Amazon FWIW.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B079TTTWR2/?tag=atomicindus08-20

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There is a point where spending more doesn't buy you more at all. Any aftermarket fence will be an improvement over most dinky fences that ship with some portable saws (by the way post a picture of your saw so the conversation can be more meaningful/more on point). After certain point you can spend twice as much and get pretty much nothing meaningful in return. Heck you can spend four times as much and end up with the same result.

You can put a beefy fence in a 500-pound cabinet saw to a good use. There is a reason why you check the bearings on a delta Unisaw by putting a new nickel on its edge and turning the machine on; the vibration should not be bad enough to knock the nickel. You don't want the level of accuracy it can muster compromised by a sloppy fence. On the brute side of things, when ripping a full 4x8 sheet of plywood you want a fence sturdy enough that if you bang it a bit loading the sheet on the table, you can trust the fence will not move at all.

On a portable table you are working within a margin of error that any half decent fence can cover, and you are not banging sheets of plywood against the fence all that hard, because the whole machine would probably tilt over before the mid-range fence becomes an issue.
 

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When I posted a link to the mule, be honest I never even heard of it before ... just a quick 1 min search to show they are out there.
I like the photo you posted, it locks down the back side as well as the front ... what you need for a accurate table saw.
Just imagine ripping a 8' 2x4, You have 8' of leverage and it is really easy to push the back side of the fence just 1 degree. And your cut is off.

The photo you show, you lock down the front and the rear of the fence ... nothing fancy but will do the job. I would like that fence myself.

Most saws the fence just locks in front, Thats when they will wander with long material. 1 pound of pressure at the rear of 8' will force the fence over and throw off your cut.
 
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I had a mid 80's Delta Contractors saw, the original JET fence was a POC . upgraded to a Vega and it was night & day difference. sold the contractors saw and kept back the vega fence to use on my Unisaw when I got around to ***.
 
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I had a mid 80's Delta Contractors saw, the original JET fence was a POC . upgraded to a Vega and it was night & day difference. sold the contractors saw and kept back the vega fence to use on my Unisaw when I got around to ***.


Had to google JET fence since I wasn't familiar with the term. Yep, that is the very fence on my saw. :rocketwho
 

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I would spend the money on a good fence before I bought a new portable saw. you will end up with a much better saw in the long run .
The contractor saws do lack on the power end, if it has a 1-1/2HP motor . that's the main reason I upgraded to a Uni saw , that plus it was available cheap.
 

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Great, keep the discussion going. You guys are swaying me to keep the old Rockwell and just give it a tune up.

Some of the fences mentioned above are pretty expensive though. Any love for this Delta one? Looks like it should just bolt on since the Rockwell contractor saw is the predecessor to the Delta contractor saw. Good reviews on Amazon FWIW.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B079TTTWR2/?tag=atomicindus08-20

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That fence is fine, I would not hesitate to buy it at that price. Delta bought Bies. Back in the day, so everything is a clone of the original t square.
 

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I was jealous of a friend of mine.
He bid and won a contract to build shipping crates. Needed shipping crates made from plywood and lumber for hydraulic cylinders and such up to 20' long and shipped around the world.

He got by with his old saws and a building with 7' ceilings. 1 year later got contract renewed again because he worked hard.

Was amazing, Next year he put up a pole building with a second story for storage, He had all Jet tools, table saw, dust collector All the top name goodies.

Was such a sweet deal, He called his order into Home depot, He showed up with his trailer and they loaded it while he was paying for it. He would back the trailer in front of his table saw, cut it as needed while unloading and put it in stock ... then build boxes each week as ordered and needed.
Dude was a box builder and made bank doing it .... was because his wife a school teacher helped him with the bid. A table saw is the heart of any shop.
 

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Great, keep the discussion going. You guys are swaying me to keep the old Rockwell and just give it a tune up.

Some of the fences mentioned above are pretty expensive though. Any love for this Delta one? Looks like it should just bolt on since the Rockwell contractor saw is the predecessor to the Delta contractor saw. Good reviews on Amazon FWIW.

I put that fence on a Craftsman saw at least 12 years ago and really like it. They're a copy of the early Biesemeyer T-Square fence. That fence along with a couple other upgrades along with a good tune up to my $75 Crapsman turned it into a really nice saw.
 

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I had a porter cable jobsite saw... was junk. The planetary gears for adjusting blade height were plastic. Stripped right out.
 

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What part of the fence is giving you problems?
 
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Tby the way post a picture of your saw so the conversation can be more meaningful/more on point.


Here is a pic of the old workhorse. Dad bought her in the early 80s and I inherited it after he passed. It has been used and abused a bit but still works fine if you don't need great accuracy.

Edit, this isn't mine, but I have the same saw.

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That fence is fine, I would not hesitate to buy it at that price. Delta bought Bies. Back in the day, so everything is a clone of the original t square.

I put that fence on a Craftsman saw at least 12 years ago and really like it. They're a copy of the early Biesemeyer T-Square fence. That fence along with a couple other upgrades along with a good tune up to my $75 Crapsman turned it into a really nice saw.



Too bad you can't "like" posts here. Thanks for the comments guys.
 
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they are great saws, spend the money on a fence, and you have a great usable, for your lifetime, keepsake from Dad!

The more I look into it, this seems like solid advise. Almost everything on this saw is replaceable and upgradable. I just need to figure out what to do with dust collection now.
 

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The more I look into it, this seems like solid advise. Almost everything on this saw is replaceable and upgradable. I just need to figure out what to do with dust collection now.

I'm glad to hear you say this. I think it's the right move.

I would consider building your contractor saw into a work station that helps with dust collection. There is a lot of information on the web about this.

Here is a picture I found on Google Images.

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I picked this picture only because it shows dust collection. There are many pictures on the web of table saw workstations. Most are built around portable saws but they can still give you some ideas.

I know space saving is a concern but my thinking is that if you have the motor hanging off the back anyways why not build a table extension that goes back at least this far.

I built a folding outfeed table for my last saw. It wasn't a contractor saw so I didn't have the motor issue but if it was I would have made the hinge point just far enough back that when the outfeed table was in the down position it would have just cleared the motor.

As you decide on this and a new fence also look into PALS alignment adapters for your saw. It will make aligning the blade to the miter slots much easier.

But before you spend any money I recommend some time with a long straight edge and some feeler gauges and see how flat you top is currently and if there aren't any issues that need to be addressed first.
 

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Does anyone know if any of the current portable table saws have an arbor long enough to use datto cutters and shaper heads?

I've got an old Rockwell contractor saw from the early 80s that works great but there is no ability for dust collection and the fence isn't all that accurate so I'm looking for something new, but the shop is small enough that if I buy another saw, I think I want a smaller portable table saw.

Your thoughts?

I kind of ran off at the mouth in an earlier post without doing my research. I have just acquired a standard micrometer adjust saw and fence. Marketing from the 1970's was good enough that Biesemeyer stuck in my head all these years- hence I thought I had one.
It took a bit of maintenance but is now operating on 220v with a new belt.
Oh- cast iron extensions. More to follow
 

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