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macgee

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Thanks Pete,

Great minds think alike, I was just literally talking to them on the phone before reading your post. They're also down the street (2 mi) from me so happy to support a local business. Nice guys and very helpful, order placed to try them out.

Japan has such great steel, seeing NT's & Olfa's Black high carbon blades got me thinking about trying to find the same steel in the above shape.

Can't really find this shape being used or sold in Japan?
 
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Thanks Pete,

Great minds think alike, I was just literally talking to them on the phone before reading your post. They're also down the street (2 mi) from me so happy to support a local business. Nice guys and very helpful, order placed to try them out.

Japan has such great steel, seeing NT's & Olfa's Black high carbon blades got me thinking about trying to find the same steel in the above shape.

Can't really find this shape being used or sold in Japan?

Do you really shave with a GEM razor? I haven't come across one in years.
 

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Thanks Pete,

Great minds think alike, I was just literally talking to them on the phone before reading your post. They're also down the street (2 mi) from me so happy to support a local business. Nice guys and very helpful, order placed to try them out.

Japan has such great steel, seeing NT's & Olfa's Black high carbon blades got me thinking about trying to find the same steel in the above shape.

Can't really find this shape being used or sold in Japan?

Can you just pick them up at the shop or do you need to order ?
I get off the 405 at Sherman Way so am near there every week ,

Thanks for the info
 

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Can you just pick them up at the shop or do you need to order ?
I get off the 405 at Sherman Way so am near there every week ,

Thanks for the info

He said not right now with covid but gave me free shipping because I'm very close. They've been in business since 1916



Do you really shave with a GEM razor? I haven't come across one in years.

I'm not using for them shaving but Gem's are pretty popular right now for that, I'm using these type of razors in my machine shop so preferring a thicker .3mm (.012") stronger edge version, hence would love to find one with a very high HRC carbon edges.
Maybe these will work (pics below) OLFA SKB-10 (.4mm thick) or Feather FAS-10 but they're between .012 and .009 versions that we get use here in the US and that logo cutout makes me think it'll be weaker/flexy.

Has anyone heard of these Feather razors.


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A recent discussion about Koken ratchets ended in my decision to buy two different models to compare: a 3753SM, and a 3725Z Zeal ratchet.

The 3753SM proved to be immediately useful. It was in my hands for no more than 5 minutes before it removed a difficult-to-access bolt on a Saab air conditioning project. I have a feeling this is going to be one of those tools that becomes indispensable, even if it doesn't get used frequently.

The 3725Z is intended to replace an aging (and very sloppy) Proto 5249. The head of the Koken is smaller in width (good) but thicker (bad) than the Proto. Time will tell if I'll still need to keep the Proto in the cart. The extra teeth, and the more precise construction, of the Koken make for easier handling in tight spaces than the Proto, but I have had instances where the thickness of the Proto compared to my round-head ratchets was important.

I was surprised at how heavy the Zeal ratchet is, and at the distinctly handle-biased balance — especially compared to the Proto. I haven't used it enough to decide if it will impact use at all, but I have noticed it isn't as easy to rapidly move the handle when hanging onto the head, as is often done in tight quarters.

One of the questions I asked before ordering both of these was the difference in backdrag between the models. The answers were mixed, while Koken indicates they're the same. To test this, I lubricated both and gave them a number of spins to break them in. The force required to overcome backdrag is, to my fingers, nearly identical. However, the Zeal is definitely more "notchy", and therefore less smooth, than the lower-tooth-count 3753SM. It's still a very nice-feeling ratchet, but the 3753SM feels more like the Proto from which it's derived. Not surprising, since their pawl mechanisms are almost identical.

Along with the ratchets I also ordered a 3756Z spinner. Where has this gadget been all my life? It's so useful that I've got to get one in 1/4 drive too!


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Thickness comparison — Proto: .470"; Koken: .547". That's a significant difference.
Backdrag: both of the Koken ratchets have noticeably less backdrag than the Proto!
 

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The 3753SM proved to be immediately useful. It was in my hands for no more than 5 minutes before it removed a difficult-to-access bolt on a Saab air conditioning project. I have a feeling this is going to be one of those tools that becomes indispensable, even if it doesn't get used frequently.

I had pretty much the same experience with my Nepros version of the same thing. It seems like it would be pretty gimmicky or just one of those specialty tools that come out once in a blue moon, but there are a surprising number of situations where I find it makes otherwise impossible tasks possible.

What I would love to see would be something like a flex head ratchet where you have a small ratchet head with the flex joint on the end of it. Instead of having a handle coming out from it, have a female drive end and give it a locking mechanism. And then give us a breaker bar/handle also with a locking mechanism for its male end. Those two combined could add up to a pretty nifty and super configurable ratchet. Need to get around an obstruction? Pull the handle off your ratchet and use whatever combination of extensions you need to essentially shape your handle around the obstruction. Need the handle to flex? Easy. Not to flex? Yep. Need extra leverage? Stick a extension on there and extend your handle. Want a soft grip handle because it's cold? Swap it.
 

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The 3725Z is intended to replace an aging (and very sloppy) Proto 5249. The head of the Koken is smaller in width (good) but thicker (bad) than the Proto.
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Thickness comparison — Proto: .470"; Koken: .547". That's a significant difference.

had you considered the converted 1/4" body variants?
for example the 2725Z-3/8(L160)?

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i think that tiny grip is goofy, but the head is for sure smaller.
 

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Question about the Koken 3768N hinge handle (or breaker bar, if you prefer.) It's hard to tell from the catalog photo, but does the head have any detents?

(I'm looking for one that has completely smooth travel, even through the center, as a complement to my Wright — which has strong detents.)

I purchased a Stanley hinge handle in Spain about 10-12 years ago that holds hinge position with a spring and friction, no hard detents. 400mm long.

Current Stanley offering is different but mine is identical to Facom S.145
No idea about COO.
 

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Misc 1/4 stuff.
 

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An order from Amazon Japan arrived yesterday:

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I got the Tone 3/8" flex ratchet a while ago, and now I went for completing the set.

I also got the Engineer water pump pliers, was curious about them and wanted them in the collection. Same thing with the Tone all metal PH2 stubby screwdriver and the Asahi Lightool 10mm wrench, they're becoming part of the collections.

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I'm not sure about this though, the Engineer pliers were tweaked in the handles. Probably won't bother with returning them, but the first time I've had a quality issue with them.

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Welcome to The Addiction.

I'm well aware. I guess about 2 1/2 years ago I started buying and upgrading my tools. Nothing major. I mainly work on motorcycles. My tool collection is more of a hobby/collection than a need. I would definitely be labeled as a poser.

I originally started down the German tools path, then ran across ChrisCas on YouTube. I like seeing the various countries approaches to tool design.

I guess the next step is Nepros, then bankruptcy, then rehab.
 

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Maybe these will work (pics below) OLFA SKB-10 (.4mm thick) or Feather FAS-10 but they're between .012 and .009 versions that we get use here in the US and that logo cutout makes me think it'll be weaker/flexy.

Has anyone heard of these Feather razors.


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I know Feather blades have a strong following on the shaving forums for DE safety razors, they are known for being exceptionally high quality and incredibly sharp. The biggest complaint is that for some people, in some razor handles, they can be too aggressive.
 

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I know Feather blades have a strong following on the shaving forums for DE safety razors, they are known for being exceptionally high quality and incredibly sharp. The biggest complaint is that for some people, in some razor handles, they can be too aggressive.

Thanks for that; exceptional high quality and incredibly sharp is always something to shoot for. I won't be using them for shaving but I do need them to be stiffer/not flexy for industrial shop purposes compared to what's desired in shaving.

I'll now have a deeper look into Feathers product lineup to see if they have any blades around .3mm thick that are high carbon/super hard and preferable without the massive logo cutout to keep it stiff behind the edge but they do look cool.

After perusing this thread, I have some Vessel, NT's and Lobster arriving this Friday. I'm very afraid that it wont be the last order either.

Does posting pics of my Mitutoyo Japan machinist tooling count? I've got all kinds of it.
 
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Thanks for that; exceptional high quality and incredibly sharp is always something to shoot for. I won't be using them for shaving but I do need them to be stiffer/not flexy for industrial shop purposes compared to what's desired in shaving.

I'll now have a deeper look into Feathers product lineup to see if they have any blades around .3mm thick that are high carbon/super hard and preferable without the massive logo cutout to keep it stiff behind the edge but they do look cool.

After perusing this thread, I have some Vessel, NT's and Lobster arriving this Friday. I'm very afraid that it wont be the last order either.

Does posting pics of my Mitutoyo Japan machinist tooling count? I've got all kinds of it.
Please post machinist tooling and metrology.


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Please post machinist tooling and metrology.

Still needing to finish a project before taking some pics but I'll start with this. It's a hand motor made in Japan by NSK (I think) that I use in the workshop for carbide burr grinding; butter smooth, balanced and solid. Japan and Germany are the leaders in making these but I think Japan has the edge and why so many american companies contract NSK to make there tools.

Second pic is a tiny Mitutoyo logo viewed under a Swiss made Isoma inspection microscope. Pics of actual old school Mitutoyo and new coming soon.

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One of my all time favorite pliers and live center for my lathe.

These grozer pliers are by Fan Out Japan made for glass work, really well made and has been very trusty.
Today I used them successfully removing metal contacts off 18650 Lithium batteries that my many Erem's were unsuccessful at. Fine and well defined teeth grab very nicely, they've held up under lots of abuse that it wasn't designed for, has worked removing/gripping wonky screws. These are keepers, not sure if they make any other tools?

Kabuto MT2 live center is the swiss army knife of live centers and use it almost everyday. Very well made and precise.

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Just received some tools from Frank Tools and a pair of 9" KAI pro scissors from Amazon.

I have to give a big thumbs up to Frank. He was very patient with me having listen to me on the phone, asking about inventory and he would check what he had in stock, he gave a great price, shipping was at cost. After I spoke to him that evening, the tools were in the mail the next morning and a email with tracking and receipt. Zero complaints and it was good doing business with him.

I think the key right now is order what's in stock, reading in other non tool sites, it sounds like everyone is struggling getting orders shipped in from Japan with no clear info being given to stores/sellers here in the US. They're being told one thing and then deliveries get delayed. Must be very frustrating for sellers

I bought two different Vessel driver handles to test out and I can tell right away that I much prefer the soft gel version over the hybrid wood handle (in my personal opinion). The resin wood handle is rock hard, not grippy and not much holding power to give torque. The wood 330 tang thru was very solid and good weight, maybe too much weight for an all day driver but depends what your working on. The soft gel handle was squishy on too sides and you'll see red seam that is hard to give you an edge to hold onto and apply torque. Not sure how they compare to the Megadora handles? My Felo 550 handles are still my favorite but the Vessel 700 are pretty good.

I can not recommend these highly enough the NT Utility knives. I bought the Red Dot Pro ($8) and the A400GR ($7) that has a slight larger and ergonomic handle. I love the feel and action of the A400, very smooth and each adjustment has a positive feel.
The Pro AD-2P is also excellent, the section is so small that its very comfortable to hold as a pencil or like an exacto pen, perfect for 30 degree angle blades. The NT NT15P Black carbon are extremely sharp. $7 & $8 is a steal for these and will be ordering more. Seriously: Get one!

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I really like NT Cutters too. Much nicer than the plastic ones from Olfa. I have an A-400GR and also this A-300G, which is probably my favorite right now. I bought one of those gel handle Vessels, and agree that although it is nice, it can't compare to a Felo for comfort. The composite wood handle ones are supposed to have better grip than most others when you have oil on your hands. The Vector is also an interesting handle design. Sort of a standard/ball grip hybrid.

I think you might end up liking the Kais more than anything else you bought. Mine are wonderful.

 

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Nice Reed,

Totally agree, the KAI's are very beautiful, the craftsmanship and finish are excellent, they feel super smooth and plush; not sure how else to describe it.
If you're a cook and familiar with their Shun cooking knives and crazy high prices, the finish of these are similar to them, making them a really good value and better than any German scissor that I've handled.

I was holding off on commenting on them untill after some use as I'm leaning on swapping them out for the 10" size. They're so well balanced and smooth that I would like a slightly longer size. The 9" is the standard size of most house scissors, I'll be using these to make outdoor Dyneema back packs and still be much smaller than my 12" industrial pairs. It's like having a really good kitchen knife that allows you to be more comfortable with a larger knife like a small one because its so sharp and nimble. Highly recommended.

So glad I found this thread. Because of it I now have some really nice tools that I'll have the pleasure using everyday.
 
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Long time lurker, first time poster. I searched and did not see a review of any Deen torque wrench so here is one. Deen DNTQ140NCR; 20-140 Nm

I had shopped at two local tool stores recently (Astro and Straight) and both stores had only their own-branded goods, and largely only Chinese-made stuff. I was pretty disappointed by both of those stores. I get that budget tools have a market, but I don't plan to buy from either of those stores in the future.

I went to Factory Gear's Yokohama store and was really happy with their selection. The salesman spent a long time with me covering all of the torque wrench options- I think they had at least 6-7 brands and many more models. The best price/performance in FG's offerings were the Tohnichi or their own brand, Deen.

I decided on the Deen for a few reasons. I like the interchangeable head. Deen sells various other heads (3/8", etc.) that you can put on the wrench if you want that. I like the rubber handle. And I think that the Deen's visual indicator of the torque setting is more clear than Tohnichi's method, which is a bit more convoluted. Finally, I like that Deen had the torque wrench body made by a manufacturer that specialized in torque wrenches whereas the ratchet head was made by a separate manufacturer that specializes in ratchets. I would have preferred a silver tool (the black looks like it will show scratches more than a silver tool) and I know Tohnichi is pretty much the best name in Japanese torque wrenches, but for my usage (mostly changing wheels) this Deen will do nicely.

Not sure why my photos are not showing up in the post but you can see the wrench here.


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Link to a seller with good prices for Kai shears? Also would interested in feedback on the above mentioned differences on the 5 to 7 Series KAI
 

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One of my all time favorite pliers and live center for my lathe.

These grozer pliers are by Fan Out Japan made for glass work, really well made and has been very trusty.
Today I used them successfully removing metal contacts off 18650 Lithium batteries that my many Erem's were unsuccessful at. Fine and well defined teeth grab very nicely, they've held up under lots of abuse that it wasn't designed for, has worked removing/gripping wonky screws. These are keepers, not sure if they make any other tools?

Kabuto MT2 live center is the swiss army knife of live centers and use it almost everyday. Very well made and precise.

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I like the jaw profile! It’s unique
 

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Thanks macgee, any information or input on the difference in the 5000 and 7000 series and its price point vs quality.

I have no experience with the 5000, I'm sure others here can give you more info but the price is definitely worth it for the 7000. You'll realize it the moment you pick them up.

I have very good pairs of vintage Wiss's and german solingen made shears but the KAI Pro's would be my choice, they're more nimble and the way they feel when cutting is phenomenal. I still need time with them and who knows I may go back to my other favorites but these blew my mind when taking them out of the package.
 
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Long time lurker, first time poster. I searched and did not see a review of any Deen torque wrench so here is one. Deen DNTQ140NCR; 20-140 Nm

I had shopped at two local tool stores recently (Astro and Straight) and both stores had only their own-branded goods, and largely only Chinese-made stuff. I was pretty disappointed by both of those stores. I get that budget tools have a market, but I don't plan to buy from either of those stores in the future.

I went to Factory Gear's Yokohama store and was really happy with their selection. The salesman spent a long time with me covering all of the torque wrench options- I think they had at least 6-7 brands and many more models. The best price/performance in FG's offerings were the Tohnichi or their own brand, Deen.

I decided on the Deen for a few reasons. I like the interchangeable head. Deen sells various other heads (3/8", etc.) that you can put on the wrench if you want that. I like the rubber handle. And I think that the Deen's visual indicator of the torque setting is more clear than Tohnichi's method, which is a bit more convoluted. Finally, I like that Deen had the torque wrench body made by a manufacturer that specialized in torque wrenches whereas the ratchet head was made by a separate manufacturer that specializes in ratchets. I would have preferred a silver tool (the black looks like it will show scratches more than a silver tool) and I know Tohnichi is pretty much the best name in Japanese torque wrenches, but for my usage (mostly changing wheels) this Deen will do nicely.

Not sure why my photos are not showing up in the post but you can see the wrench here.


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You, Sir are very lucky to have the chance to be living in Japan and buying from the stores locally, while the rest of us window shop the goodies and suffer the exhorbitant shipping fees, it could only be worse if shipping from Japan stopped altogether, hope we never get there.

My Amzn.jp shipping cart has grown so big that it migth be cheaper to simply pay a visit and buy all that stuff which would be cheaper than the current estimated shipping cost !!
 

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Most the time is cheaper and faster to ship from Japan than USA.
You, Sir are very lucky to have the chance to be living in Japan and buying from the stores locally, while the rest of us window shop the goodies and suffer the exhorbitant shipping fees, it could only be worse if shipping from Japan stopped altogether, hope we never get there.

My Amzn.jp shipping cart has grown so big that it migth be cheaper to simply pay a visit and buy all that stuff which would be cheaper than the current estimated shipping cost !!

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I have no experience with the 5000, I'm sure others here can give you more info but the price is definitely worth it for the 7000. You'll realize it the moment you pick them up.

I have very good pairs of vintage Wiss's and german solingen made shears but the KAI Pro's would be my choice, they're more nimble and the way they feel when cutting is phenomenal. I still need time with them and who knows I may go back to my other favorites but these blew my mind when taking them out of the package.

Thanks for the feedback :thumbup:
 
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