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WarrenJ, Scott and John Happy New Year to you all!

My AT&T Internet connection has been playing games. Kay suggested I switch to Linux so if I disappear for a few weeks, don't worry.

I might get deleted again.
But wouldn't OS2 be the one to match your sign?
 
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I was starting to worry about you Bob. Glad to see you're back, even if it is sporadic.
Kirk, December was a crazy month with a dozen doctor visits, each of them taking up the middle of the day, putting projects on the back burner. Spent New Year's Eve and Day playing games with the Internet connection on my desktop.
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The MIA thread is not where we want to find you...:beer:
Scott, I'm doing my best to stay off the list. Today I visited my Cardiologist, bank, UPS Store and Walmart Neighborhood grocery store. I have tomorrow free and then it's a visit to my Periodontist Wednesday afternoon. Once you pass 50 it's patch patch patch.
I might get deleted again.
But wouldn't OS2 be the one to match your sign?
Michael, I won't (and can't) delete you. I was actually thinking of putting OS/2 on an old laptop I have that is stuck at Windows XT. The Windows in OS/2 has fewer bugs than the same version from Microsoft. The programmers at IBM thought they were doing a good thing by fixing bugs in Windows but there were unintended consequences. A whole bunch of applications that ran fine in the Microsoft version crashed when run in the OS/2 version. Microsoft worked closely with the app developers to work around the bugs and those workarounds would crash in OS/2. Microsoft was happy to get the bug fixes but never installed them in their version -- they waited for Windows 95 to make the changes.
 

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Kirk, December was a crazy month with a dozen doctor visits, each of them taking up the middle of the day, putting projects on the back burner. Spent New Year's Eve and Day playing games with the Internet connection on my desktop.

I hate it when life gets in the way of having fun
 

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Michael, I won't (and can't) delete you. I was actually thinking of putting OS/2 on an old laptop I have that is stuck at Windows XT. The Windows in OS/2 has fewer bugs than the same version from Microsoft. The programmers at IBM thought they were doing a good thing by fixing bugs in Windows but there were unintended consequences. A whole bunch of applications that ran fine in the Microsoft version crashed when run in the OS/2 version. Microsoft worked closely with the app developers to work around the bugs and those workarounds would crash in OS/2. Microsoft was happy to get the bug fixes but never installed them in their version -- they waited for Windows 95 to make the changes.

That is refreshing...

I bought a Sony Walkman been fighting google and shutting off services on it, I play music on it. I don't surf keep my appointments or want to talk to google ASSistant. My Dell of two years the hard drive died have been meaning to get to Microcenter and get a new 1Tb solid state drive for about 100. Then toss a version of Linux on it.
 
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I hate it when life gets in the way of having fun
Uncle Willie, there are some who think my fun gets in the way of their life!

:bitchslap

That is refreshing...

I bought a Sony Walkman been fighting google and shutting off services on it, I play music on it. I don't surf keep my appointments or want to talk to google ASSistant. My Dell of two years the hard drive died have been meaning to get to Microcenter and get a new 1Tb solid state drive for about 100. Then toss a version of Linux on it.
Michael, there's an Alexavich behind me spying on everything I say but I told her there's a Google *** in the next room spying on her. You reminded me my desktop doesn't recognize my Palm [Pilot] TX. Time to gaggle a fix for Windows 10. I purchased all three of my laptops used or refurbished. I found new computers either die in the first two years or run forever. If someone else tries to kill it for a couple of years I figure it's good to go for me. The fraction of MSRP they charge is a bonus.
 
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Today was mindless garbage duty. I stacked up all those rotten fence boards in 2019 and cut some of them up into pieces that fit in the 13-gallon white trash bags. I thought I was keeping them dry but the blue tarp has some holes that kept the pile soaked and carpenter ants made a home. White fungus formed on a lot of the boards so it was fun cutting them up. No sawdust, just brown sludge came off the blade. The pile of fence boards is gone and my 95-gallon trash bin is close to full. I'm glad the sanitation truck has a hydraulic claw to lift that sucker into the truck.
 

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Michael, there's an Alexavich behind me spying on everything I say but I told her there's a Google *** in the next room spying on her. You reminded me my desktop doesn't recognize my Palm [Pilot] TX. Time to gaggle a fix for Windows 10. I purchased all three of my laptops used or refurbished. I found new computers either die in the first two years or run forever. If someone else tries to kill it for a couple of years I figure it's good to go for me. The fraction of MSRP they charge is a bonus.

I am usually on the bleeding edge, my current laptop has 32gb of ram and 1TB Hd I remember 256k and 2 360k floppies as my first PC. My Toughbook is still running XP and is close to 13 years running. But much of the data software is frozen from that time and has issues on things that don't use normal assigned IRQ ports.
The ECU software only runs on DOS.
Kind of been my policy to set up a phone or computer and then lock it down.
In all my years have never given a PC of mine away, if I did it got a new hard drive. All my Hard Drives have died here and become pieces platters make good shims. Many customers have had me do the same to there drives. Have close to 5lbs of gold scrap from all the stuff that has passed through.

Might go get a 1TB drive tonight need to decide what flavor of Linux I want to play with.
 

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Bob: I'm trying to catch up with your thread and even though I've got my views set at 100 posts per page i'm still about 3 pages to go.

i'm always amazed at the amount of work you attempt and do and after reading about your Corvette's exhaust issues and your repairs i'm even more amazed. I'm hoping it turned out ok, but i'm leaving you tonight with it tied together with a ratchet strap and a piece of wood (GENIOUS!!).

keep on keeping on
 

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I miss my HP41CX that used RPN. Those were the days. Belt loop and pocket protectors...

I still use my HP 12C financial calculator on occasion.

BTW, the old HP Scientific calculators that started proliferating in the 70's are very collectible on fleabay. Several years ago, my wife lucked out on finding a cache of these calculators at an Estate Sale. We went back the next day and I cleaned out the rest of the cache which included books, manuals, HP infrared printers, memory for the 41C, and a ton of other peripherals. We spent around $300 and ended up selling everything on fleabay for around $2500. :beer:
 
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I am usually on the bleeding edge, my current laptop has 32gb of ram and 1TB Hd I remember 256k and 2 360k floppies as my first PC. My Toughbook is still running XP and is close to 13 years running. But much of the data software is frozen from that time and has issues on things that don't use normal assigned IRQ ports.
The ECU software only runs on DOS.
Kind of been my policy to set up a phone or computer and then lock it down.
In all my years have never given a PC of mine away, if I did it got a new hard drive. All my Hard Drives have died here and become pieces platters make good shims. Many customers have had me do the same to there drives. Have close to 5lbs of gold scrap from all the stuff that has passed through.

Might go get a 1TB drive tonight need to decide what flavor of Linux I want to play with.
Michael, I avoid the bleeding edge because it always costs a big premium. I remember my first 10MB drive costing $499 when they first came out -- I bought one when they dropped below $100. Bought a 70" LED TV for less than $1K when the 84" models arrived.

My Gateway 450SX came out in 2002 and I bought it in 2005 (to replace my Butterfly keyboard Thinkpad). Not sure it will play well with OS/2 but I'm willing to gamble $75 for a period-correct 160GB hard drive (I'll keep the XT hard drive just in case). Like you, I don't sell or give away my old machines. The hard drives get a few holes through the platters before recycling. Cases come in handy for sheet metal projects like this (closing in paint cart end):
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I'm with you on the hard drive. This time I'm going to try a SSD and set it up with Ubuntu. I've tried Caldera Linux and Red Hat so hopefully third time is the charm.
I upgraded to a digital watch, does that count?
Uncle Willie, I too upgraded to a digital watch. Not cool to have to press the buttons with your nose or teeth. Makes the watch hard to read through the slobber. You are lucky to have an assistant do that for you.
Bob: I'm trying to catch up with your thread and even though I've got my views set at 100 posts per page i'm still about 3 pages to go.

i'm always amazed at the amount of work you attempt and do and after reading about your Corvette's exhaust issues and your repairs i'm even more amazed. I'm hoping it turned out ok, but i'm leaving you tonight with it tied together with a ratchet strap and a piece of wood (GENIOUS!!).

keep on keeping on
Welcome back Drives. I have never outgrown the poverty of my early years as a husband and father. We decided early on that Liane would stay home to care for the children so we were always a one-income household. If I couldn't fix something we had to do without so I jumped into a lot of repairs without the proper tools or knowledge. Had my fair share of screwups but also had the chance to work with a master plumber doing his grunt work (digging ditches, cleaning pipe and fittings, sweeping up and fetching tools). I always knew there was a right or better way to do things but had to learn it for myself.

The exhaust worked out great -- for now. Welding the pieces together eliminated six muffler clamps and two hangers but the whole is plain or aluminized steel so it will rust again (and probably soon). I'm hoping to find a stainless setup between now and the time these pieces rot though. Most of the noise is reduced by the catalytic converters so the mufflers at the tips aren't doing a whole lot.

Only if it has a calculator with Reverse Polish Notation
Michael, I'm a big fan of free calculators. The Hartford sent me one for requesting a quote. It reminds me why I switched to them: Progressive didn't offer a discount for taking the safe driver course and they thought I would appreciate their 25% premium increase (for no cause). AARP also sent me a free calculator (with clock/calendar/thermometer on the back) when I donated to the Foundation. I bought the Sharp travel clock/calendar/currency calculator when we were doing a lot of overseas travel. None of my calculators used Reverse Polish Notation.
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I miss my HP41CX that used RPN. Those were the days. Belt loop and pocket protectors...
MJOPE, most of my working life I wore a suit to work so the pocket protector was hiding. Mine was to keep ink from my fountain pen from staining my shirt. A fountain pen is a bad idea when you board a plane. Those HP calculators were way above my pay grade, even a used one.
 

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I still use my HP 12C financial calculator on occasion.

BTW, the old HP Scientific calculators that started proliferating in the 70's are very collectible on fleabay. Several years ago, my wife lucked out on finding a cache of these calculators at an Estate Sale. We went back the next day and I cleaned out the rest of the cache which included books, manuals, HP infrared printers, memory for the 41C, and a ton of other peripherals. We spent around $300 and ended up selling everything on fleabay for around $2500. :beer:
Mark, I admire your approach. I have this "keep everything" disease so that cache would be taking up space in my garage, office or shop. In the past year I have managed to throw out instruction manuals for tools I no longer own. In addition I have been throwing out the French and Spanish sections of the manuals for the tools and equipment I still own. It's baby steps but they are steps. I'm also down to three laptop and three desktop systems (but a dozen motherboards and a bushel of CD and hard drives). It even crossed my mind to get rid of the Samsung Galaxy S4 I no longer use.
 
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Michael, I avoid the bleeding edge because it always costs a big premium. I remember my first 10MB drive costing $499 when they first came out -- I bought one when they dropped below $100. Bought a 70" LED TV for less than $1K when the 84" models arrived.

My Gateway 450SX came out in 2002 and I bought it in 2005 (to replace my Butterfly keyboard Thinkpad). Not sure it will play well with OS/2 but I'm willing to gamble $75 for a period-correct 160GB hard drive (I'll keep the XT hard drive just in case). Like you, I don't sell or give away my old machines. The hard drives get a few holes through the platters before recycling. Cases come in handy for sheet metal projects like this (closing in paint cart end):


I'm with you on the hard drive. This time I'm going to try a SSD and set it up with Ubuntu. I've tried Caldera Linux and Red Hat so hopefully third time is the charm.

Michael, I'm a big fan of free calculators. The Hartford sent me one for requesting a quote. It reminds me why I switched to them: Progressive didn't offer a discount for taking the safe driver course and they thought I would appreciate their 25% premium increase (for no cause). AARP also sent me a free calculator (with clock/calendar/thermometer on the back) when I donated to the Foundation. I bought the Sharp travel clock/calendar/currency calculator when we were doing a lot of overseas travel. None of my calculators used Reverse Polish Notation.
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My calculator in HS had memory stashed all the notes and formulas the next year they figured it out those were banned. Which is very much like racing you get on the bleeding edge and try stuff until it gets band or everyone is using it and you then look for next advantage. Of course this works when cash is flowing like water. Which has lead to spec series or cost caps and the days of test cars with development features is gone. I was one of the early ones in amateur racing to use a laptop at pit wall the package was 4k and it had two 720 floppies.

So I picked up one TB solid state drive had the laptop apart in under 5 minutes, the cable came out of locating spot for CD rom. I have to design a tool or method to insert cable in locating place as I put base on. Otherwise it might just live without base. Downloaded a flavor of linux I was going to try.
Looks like I might grab a desktop and load it on that. I do have a few servers downstairs when I hosted my websites on my own hardware.
 

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MJOPE, most of my working life I wore a suit to work so the pocket protector was hiding. Mine was to keep ink from my fountain pen from staining my shirt. A fountain pen is a bad idea when you board a plane. Those HP calculators were way above my pay grade, even a used one.[/QUOTE]



Bob, that HP41CX was probably way above my pay grade too. I was a senior in college studying engineering and working two jobs and saved for about a year to have the $350 they cost. We had just gotten married and my BIL let me use an HP27 that had about a 30 min battery life. Not good for taking tests. I explained to my wife that I’d heard about these amazing programmable calculators that would truly help me in school and save me a ton of time. She was supportive and I went down and bought one. It was amazing. I became obsessed with programming and kept saving to buy applications (now I guess we call them apps). When I got out of school and went to work for a engineering firm I kept programming and ended showing others in the firm how to program HP41s. We developed a cool program and about a year later someone came out with an app.

I used a pocket protector for a few years until my wife pointed out I probably didn’t need one and they looked geeky. [emoji51]

Sorry to get long winded. RPN brought back some good memories. Thanks for letting me share and remember...
 

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Ahhh, RPN. Interesting note, I've never owned a computer in my life. Still don't. I've used home computers since about 1976 when Pops brought home a Trash 80 every night from the elementary school he taught at. I'm typing this on my work laptop. Almost always had access to them through work or school, so why spend my money? Maybe when I'm 60, I'll finally break down and buy one.
 

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Ahhh, RPN. Interesting note, I've never owned a computer in my life. Still don't. I've used home computers since about 1976 when Pops brought home a Trash 80 every night from the elementary school he taught at. I'm typing this on my work laptop. Almost always had access to them through work or school, so why spend my money? Maybe when I'm 60, I'll finally break down and buy one.



Good point...
 

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Got the laptop back together, turns out not the hard drive appears to be the controller. Oh well more for the scrap bin.
Dug up a desktop with cow logos on it and it was running winblows 7 starting downloading Ubuntu.
I remember the first time I used my toughbook at the track, put it on the car and it slid off and hit the ground. My comment was well we are going to find out how tough it is. The laptop was fine never missed a beat, having a laptop with a real 7 pin serial port is tough to beat. I find after 2 years most laptops are done and the tech curve has passed.
Often when I did field service I spent a fair amount of time trying to convince owners if your employees are waiting for the computer to finish a task you need to upgrade.
Computers are just tools and much like tools have different quality depending on the builder. I was downloading vehicle data to two different laptops and then processing the data into a analysis program and I noticed on one of the laptops the lap times were not carried to same precision one was a intel the other AMD the AMD did not use the same math routines and did not give the same accuracy. We are talking about .001 of a second difference. It will not sink the ship but it makes you wonder at times.

Many moons ago I was running computers for my aunt to write her book she was doing chemical bond strength calculations, on machines without a math co-processor could not get consistent data there was a chip with a integrated math processor expensive and fast gave good data, we ran it also on a mainframe and would compare results.

Much like the tools in your garage the quality of tools used has a direct relationship to the quality of your output.
 

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In earlier life, I worked as a cost accountant for a major cheese company. All of the accounting work was done in 5 decimal places and rounded to 4 decimals (hundredth of a cent) One day, internal audit manager walks in with two police guys, cuffed a guy from the computer area and walked him out. Seems he wrote a program to move all the rounded thousands of a cent into an account, set up a dummy vendor account and sent his dummy account a check for the monthly balance of the account. Thousandth of a cent doesn't sound like much but when the company does billions of dollars a month? Internal audit guy was a hero for a few days until it came out that he had gotten an tip from a sexretary that was being moved aside for a younger toy.
 

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Yes little numbers can be a pain in the ***. Ferrari F1 team was a little off a few years back with the CFD and wind tunnel numbers turns out they were making bricks things as aerodynamic as a brick. Then they had the brilliance to name the car a F150 right after the Ford truck.
small numbers can byte you
 

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In earlier life, I worked as a cost accountant for a major cheese company. All of the accounting work was done in 5 decimal places and rounded to 4 decimals (hundredth of a cent) One day, internal audit manager walks in with two police guys, cuffed a guy from the computer area and walked him out. Seems he wrote a program to move all the rounded thousands of a cent into an account, set up a dummy vendor account and sent his dummy account a check for the monthly balance of the account. Thousandth of a cent doesn't sound like much but when the company does billions of dollars a month? Internal audit guy was a hero for a few days until it came out that he had gotten an tip from a sexretary that was being moved aside for a younger toy.

Sounds like what they did in the movie Office Space and one of the Superman movies, interesting how he was caught. He could have made a good gig for himself if only he could keep it to himself.

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Found a desktop with cow logos on it loaded latest Ubuntu ver20. Found a old sony mini Laptop I had already loaded Ubuntu on it, but it was done a few years ago ver8. Well guessing longer than I thought it will not upgrade.
Trying to download a development edition of MySql. Sometimes the installation just works the rest of the time your looking up commands to run in terminal.

Had a rat get into my back sunroom, I had been drying seeds and other garden stuff and we moved the hot tub into the sunroom about two weeks ago. That is when I found stashes of food. So I cleaned up thought I got him. He had found a hidden non accessible spot in the hot tub heater, I cleaned out room put out traps and it ate the food out of plastic trap.
So I blocked hole for two days no sign of rat.
Opened hole and that night it chewed up a glue trap and then met his end on the old school wire trap.
 

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Bob thought I would stop by to look in. I have been renovating the kitchen since November and this is only the third time GJ has been on the radar. Can't even put up pictures as Ginny has been cooking around tools through the holidays. She does want to go to Florida in the spring though. If I ever get done and things get back to normal. Hope all is well and stays well. Bobby
 
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Didn't mean to disappear but my life and activities seems very trivial at the moment.

My calculator in HS had memory stashed all the notes and formulas the next year they figured it out those were banned. Which is very much like racing you get on the bleeding edge and try stuff until it gets band or everyone is using it and you then look for next advantage. Of course this works when cash is flowing like water. Which has lead to spec series or cost caps and the days of test cars with development features is gone. I was one of the early ones in amateur racing to use a laptop at pit wall the package was 4k and it had two 720 floppies.

So I picked up one TB solid state drive had the laptop apart in under 5 minutes, the cable came out of locating spot for CD rom. I have to design a tool or method to insert cable in locating place as I put base on. Otherwise it might just live without base. Downloaded a flavor of linux I was going to try.
Looks like I might grab a desktop and load it on that. I do have a few servers downstairs when I hosted my websites on my own hardware.
Michael, I tried putting a blank drive in the old laptop and installing OS/2. Spent way too much time downloading newer boot disks and it refused to recognize the 160GB drive. I think OS/2 maxed out at around 6GB so you had to partition the disk first. I have a Partition Magic disk somewhere in my office but I'm moving on to other stuff. One of the desktops has a new 960GB solid state drive in it so one day soon I'll install Ubuntu. For now I'm working in the yard with a little chainsaw.
MJOPE, most of my working life I wore a suit to work so the pocket protector was hiding. Mine was to keep ink from my fountain pen from staining my shirt. A fountain pen is a bad idea when you board a plane. Those HP calculators were way above my pay grade, even a used one.
Bob, that HP41CX was probably way above my pay grade too. I was a senior in college studying engineering and working two jobs and saved for about a year to have the $350 they cost. We had just gotten married and my BIL let me use an HP27 that had about a 30 min battery life. Not good for taking tests. I explained to my wife that I’d heard about these amazing programmable calculators that would truly help me in school and save me a ton of time. She was supportive and I went down and bought one. It was amazing. I became obsessed with programming and kept saving to buy applications (now I guess we call them apps). When I got out of school and went to work for a engineering firm I kept programming and ended showing others in the firm how to program HP41s. We developed a cool program and about a year later someone came out with an app.

I used a pocket protector for a few years until my wife pointed out I probably didn’t need one and they looked geeky. [emoji51]

Sorry to get long winded. RPN brought back some good memories. Thanks for letting me share and remember...
Michael and MJOPE, when I started on an engineering degree at the State University of New York at Stony Brook in 1962 (its first year after moving from Oyster Bay) we had to buy a calculator but it didn't require batteries. Walked around campus with this badge of the Geekdom. The leather case stretched from my belt almost to my knee.
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Stony Brook wanted to establish itself quickly so they had Leonard Eisenbud for the Physics lectures. First day he showed us the derivation of the Theory of Relativity on the board a hundred feet below my seat. In addition to the core courses of physics and math we had to take the same classs as the English, History, Literature, Music and Art majors. The Literature course started with the Iliad and Odyssey and ended with 19th Century poets (half the final grade was based on outside reading of Tolstoy's War and Peace, which was not discussed in class). The art class was fun because I had no car and the final exam was based on paintings in the Metropolitan Museum of Art in Manhattan. A whole day on the train, subway and walking to the museum and then finding the 100 paintings that 'might' be on the final.

The heavy emphasis on liberal arts was a backlash to the US response to Sputnik. In 1957 the US thought Engineers with only technical skills might not make great rockets or something like that.

I made it through two semesters, finishing on probation. Unlike 60% of the freshman class, I was allowed to return in the fall. Chose instead to go to work in a factory where the job's only requirement was the ability to dead lift 150 lbs (pick up 20-foot 4x4x1/4" angle iron and carry it to punch press 20 times a day). Turns out the beams only weighed 132 lbs. At the end of two months I weighed 125 lbs (0% fat).
Ahhh, RPN. Interesting note, I've never owned a computer in my life. Still don't. I've used home computers since about 1976 when Pops brought home a Trash 80 every night from the elementary school he taught at. I'm typing this on my work laptop. Almost always had access to them through work or school, so why spend my money? Maybe when I'm 60, I'll finally break down and buy one.
Kirk, I bought my computers for selfish reasons. I wanted to run the PS Software documentation group but didn't have a PC in my office. The engineering jargon I found in the manuals in 1985 showed me the writers weren't using the same terms you found in PC Magazine. If you read your IBM manual and based on what you read, went to a store to buy blank 'floppy' disks, you were clueless and often bought the wrong ones.

When I accepted the offer to be a consultant at IBM Australia in 1989 I discovered none of the people in the documentation department had an IBM PS/2 even though they were writing about software used on those machines. The day before we left the US I picked up my PS/2 System from the Employee Purchase department and had the four boxes on my luggage cart when I went through customs.

When America Online interviewed me for a consulting tech writer job in 1995 they asked if I had Mac experience. I told them I didn't but felt sure I could learn quickly. They only supplied one desktop system per person so I needed to have one at home to make good on my claim. I spent about $3K so I could earn $600K over the next four years.

I always considered the cost of a PC as an investment in my future.
Good point...
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Got the laptop back together, turns out not the hard drive appears to be the controller. Oh well more for the scrap bin.
Dug up a desktop with cow logos on it and it was running winblows 7 starting downloading Ubuntu.
I remember the first time I used my toughbook at the track, put it on the car and it slid off and hit the ground. My comment was well we are going to find out how tough it is. The laptop was fine never missed a beat, having a laptop with a real 7 pin serial port is tough to beat. I find after 2 years most laptops are done and the tech curve has passed.
Often when I did field service I spent a fair amount of time trying to convince owners if your employees are waiting for the computer to finish a task you need to upgrade.
Computers are just tools and much like tools have different quality depending on the builder. I was downloading vehicle data to two different laptops and then processing the data into a analysis program and I noticed on one of the laptops the lap times were not carried to same precision one was a intel the other AMD the AMD did not use the same math routines and did not give the same accuracy. We are talking about .001 of a second difference. It will not sink the ship but it makes you wonder at times.

Many moons ago I was running computers for my aunt to write her book she was doing chemical bond strength calculations, on machines without a math co-processor could not get consistent data there was a chip with a integrated math processor expensive and fast gave good data, we ran it also on a mainframe and would compare results.

Much like the tools in your garage the quality of tools used has a direct relationship to the quality of your output.
Michael, for most of the four years I worked at AOL I had an IBM 701C Thinkpad laptop and I loved it. The keyboard was full-size but the laptop was a perfect size on a plane. After a dozen flights between Florida and DC there isn't much to do or see so being able to work was a blessing. When GTE Airphone offered a cheap subscription I was able to attend late afternoon meetings by conference call instead of taking a late-night flight.
In earlier life, I worked as a cost accountant for a major cheese company. All of the accounting work was done in 5 decimal places and rounded to 4 decimals (hundredth of a cent) One day, internal audit manager walks in with two police guys, cuffed a guy from the computer area and walked him out. Seems he wrote a program to move all the rounded thousands of a cent into an account, set up a dummy vendor account and sent his dummy account a check for the monthly balance of the account. Thousandth of a cent doesn't sound like much but when the company does billions of dollars a month? Internal audit guy was a hero for a few days until it came out that he had gotten an tip from a sexretary that was being moved aside for a younger toy.
Kevin, that scam was pretty common in the good old days when everything was done on mainframes. It's probably still going on but I bet the perpetrators have wised up and kept their scam to themselves.
Yes little numbers can be a pain in the ***. Ferrari F1 team was a little off a few years back with the CFD and wind tunnel numbers turns out they were making bricks things as aerodynamic as a brick. Then they had the brilliance to name the car a F150 right after the Ford truck.
small numbers can byte you
Cool story, Michael.
Sounds like what they did in the movie Office Space and one of the Superman movies, interesting how he was caught. He could have made a good gig for himself if only he could keep it to himself.

JB
JB, there are a lot of divorcees who would echo that sentiment.
Found a desktop with cow logos on it loaded latest Ubuntu ver20. Found a old sony mini Laptop I had already loaded Ubuntu on it, but it was done a few years ago ver8. Well guessing longer than I thought it will not upgrade.
Trying to download a development edition of MySql. Sometimes the installation just works the rest of the time your looking up commands to run in terminal.

Had a rat get into my back sunroom, I had been drying seeds and other garden stuff and we moved the hot tub into the sunroom about two weeks ago. That is when I found stashes of food. So I cleaned up thought I got him. He had found a hidden non accessible spot in the hot tub heater, I cleaned out room put out traps and it ate the food out of plastic trap.
So I blocked hole for two days no sign of rat.
Opened hole and that night it chewed up a glue trap and then met his end on the old school wire trap.
Michael, our hot tub turned into a rodent hotel so I had room service deliver free green cube treats. Hot tub went to a grateful guy doing yard work for us (warned him about the former hotel residents.
Bob thought I would stop by to look in. I have been renovating the kitchen since November and this is only the third time GJ has been on the radar. Can't even put up pictures as Ginny has been cooking around tools through the holidays. She does want to go to Florida in the spring though. If I ever get done and things get back to normal. Hope all is well and stays well. Bobby
Bobby, I hope someday to rejoin the human race. For the moment we sit and wait. Our local hospital had 13,000 doses of vaccine and it was booked in the first hour. City of Boca Raton announced they had 200 doses and those never made it to the signup page.
 

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Hi Bob.
Thought I'd stop in and see what's happening down your way. Did everything work as planned with the corvette. Loved those polished shafts they looked great. Went to the (****) shop today they didnt deliver very well. Mostly very old hardware and warped wood trim. Oh well!
I hope being cooped up all this time is not wearing on you too badly. I still have quite a list of projects to do so I'm still playing catch up with them so I'm doing pretty well. Keep smiling friend!

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Good reading as always, Bob.

I started engineering school totally clueless. My wife, a math major, had a one sided plastic slide rule she got in high school physics class. The cursor was about 1/8" wide. Nonetheless it got me through engineering school. She bought me a Post Versalog (it's around here someplace) my senior year but really too late to use it much. The toy rule carried the day.

I too lusted after an HP 35 but could never come up with $35 much less $350. I did manage an HP 49, 49 step programmable my first year out of college. You could do a lot with just 49 steps. I eventually bought an HP41C, with thermal printer and extra memory. Like the Versalog, too late to be of much use as I was mainly using programs on the company's minicomputer. We did take our gas hydraulics program for pipeline design to Tehran in 1977. It took a full box of cards. Our computer guy went along and the Iranian Gas Company (NIGC) managed to get us use of the twin 360's at the University of Tehran. We could start about 6:00PM and the operators left and told us to turn out the lights and lock up when we left.:lol_hitti

Past that I'm lost around computers.:willy_nil
 

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With all that is going on nothing is trivial anymore.

I won the rat war, sunroom is clear with hot tub and no visitors. A few weeks ago buried bunker and porgies in my backyard. Well the masked bandits had a field day 10 holes in my garden couple of fishheads left.

My aunt who raised me was a PHD chemist at LIU what 16 year old kid did you know who had a keys to chemistry stockroom in the 70's? So all the latest and greatest educational stuff was brought home to play with. I had been setting up instruments since about 13 my aunt found her tech person, when computers came on line I was the only one to touch the chemistry computers. The paid IT staff was not allowed to touch them too many screw ups.

got to take child to school
 

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I think I paid $125 for my HP41CV back when I started working on my engineering degree. It seemed like a lot of money back then for a calculator, but it proved its worth.

My old calculator still works after all these years, but I found an app to allow me to use the very same calculator on my smartphone anytime I want (and I use it all the time!).

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Here is a screenshot to better show it

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Here's some app info in case you want to download it.

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Hi Bob, I thought I was the only one with one of those relics left. Also still have the HP 35 lying in a drawer in my office as well. Seems like yesterday when I last used them, but it was in the 70s which is now "forever" ago!
 

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As I've been through several calculators in my youth, I've found that I forgotten most of what I used to know about calculators. It seems my task don't require much of a calculator besides simple math. I used to compete in Calculator competitions in my younger school days. Wasn't much except you know learn what the other weird button can do and become more efficient with that calculator. I recall it being a Casio I believe. But I'm unsure of the model. As I grew up I started drifting to the TI calculators and I've used the models from TI-82 to TI83Plus in High School, then Ti89 Titanium in College. Then when I prepared for my FE exam they only allowed Ti_30XS or lower for the test and so I've used the Ti-30XS from then on. Matter of fact, it's sitting right here on my desk as I type this.
 

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As I've been through several calculators in my youth, I've found that I forgotten most of what I used to know about calculators. It seems my task don't require much of a calculator besides simple math. I used to compete in Calculator competitions in my younger school days. Wasn't much except you know learn what the other weird button can do and become more efficient with that calculator. I recall it being a Casio I believe. But I'm unsure of the model. As I grew up I started drifting to the TI calculators and I've used the models from TI-82 to TI83Plus in High School, then Ti89 Titanium in College. Then when I prepared for my FE exam they only allowed Ti_30XS or lower for the test and so I've used the Ti-30XS from then on. Matter of fact, it's sitting right here on my desk as I type this.

That is a very funny story Madison069, I have almost the exact same experience with calculators except I chose a Casio fx-115ES for my FE, it was the closest I could find to the Casio I'd been using since jr. high and all the way through college and as you said it is sitting beside me now and is used daily.

JB
 
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