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Innovate1

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Not really a garage question but thought others here may have some knowledge about this... Looking to put some sort of waterproof roof/ceiling under a wooden deck to keep the patio underneath dry. Any suggestions on particular systems? I know there are a number of systems made just for this.
 
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The best overall “system” actually isn’t a system- it’s a watertight decking.

PVC interlocking decking creates a watertight deck that will keep the underside dry without the maintenance associated with “after-thought” add-on systems.

If you can, wait out the existing decking until it needs replacing and replace it with the PVC interlocking decking.
 
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The best overall “system” actually isn’t a system- it’s a watertight decking.

PVC interlocking decking creates a watertight deck that will keep the underside dry without the maintenance associated with “after-thought” add-on systems.

If you can, wait out the existing decking until it needs replacing and replace it with the PVC interlocking decking.

The existing is trex and only about 15 years old so I may not see the day it gets replaced. I suppose I could just redo it to get the rain shedding if the price isn't too much more than under decking.

How is the intersection with the walls handled? Is there a gutter or some way to divert the runoff to gutter drains? I have a large downspout on each side of the deck and was planning on dumping the runoff into those.

Got any links/examples? I will google around a bit for more info.
 

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Depending on the height of the area under the deck and if the current non waterproof deck is in good shape, you could build a framework under the deck and attach galvanized roofing which would keep the water deflected and provide a reflective ceiling. This would make it easy to light the area.
 
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Depending on the height of the area under the deck and if the current non waterproof deck is in good shape, you could build a framework under the deck and attach galvanized roofing which would keep the water deflected and provide a reflective ceiling. This would make it easy to light the area.

Yes, I have plenty of height so it would be pretty easy to put some gutters around the edge and some roofing tin. Put up some cross strips for a bit of slope and screw up thought the higher ridges.

But pretty sure that approach has low SAF. Not that it couldn't be made to look good... Might have a hard time keeping everything tight enough to keep the critters out though.
 

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The best overall “system” actually isn’t a system- it’s a watertight decking.

PVC interlocking decking creates a watertight deck that will keep the underside dry without the maintenance associated with “after-thought” add-on systems.

If you can, wait out the existing decking until it needs replacing and replace it with the PVC interlocking decking.

I am interested in the watertight PVC decking you speak of. I haven't seen that before. Can you provide a link to a product you're talking about?
 

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The existing is trex and only about 15 years old so I may not see the day it gets replaced. I suppose I could just redo it to get the rain shedding if the price isn't too much more than under decking.

How is the intersection with the walls handled? Is there a gutter or some way to divert the runoff to gutter drains? I have a large downspout on each side of the deck and was planning on dumping the runoff into those.

Got any links/examples? I will google around a bit for more info.

I am interested in the watertight PVC decking you speak of. I haven't seen that before. Can you provide a link to a product you're talking about?


Here’s an article from JLC/Professional Deck Builder-

https://www.jlconline.com/_view-object?id=0000015a-d2c3-d522-afda-f3ebca340000

These are a few examples of what’s available.
 
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I bought the panels from Lowes as well as the special screws with little rubber washers.:
https://www.lowes.com/pd/Tuftex-Actual-26-in-x-120-in-DeckDrain-Opaque-Tan-Under-Deck-Ceiling-Panel/3043409

My joists are perpendicular to the house wall, and the slope of my ceiling went down away from the house. I had to install small strips of treated lumber that went across, under the joists that got taller as I went away from the house to create the drain angle. I made my angle twice what was recommended to promote good drainage.

The ceiling panel was right at the bottom of the joist next to the house and was about three inches below the joist at the farthest point away from the house. I ran a gutter along the bottom edge of the ceiling that ran into a downspout.

I had replaced the deck boards with Trex about five years before I installed this ceiling underneath.

The ceiling worked great for about five years, then I started noticing a few dips in the deck surface.

I pulled back a few ceiling panels to find my joists were rotting, the joist nails were rusting out, there was mold growing on the joists, and roaches had built condominiums at the end of each joist. Not good!

I removed all of the ceiling panels, replaced a few joists, jacked up the others and added new joist hangers, and scrubbed off the mold. I told the roaches to get lost, and painted the joists with stuff that turns rotted wood into plastic.

I have about 6 feet of clearance under the deck, so it is just for storage, not living space.

If I had the vertical space under the deck, I would lower the ceiling about 6 inches or more to allow air to freely circulate between the deck and the ceiling.

I like the idea of replacing the Trex with a waterproof, interlocking decking material, but the Trex was so expensive. Maybe at the next house.
 

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I bought the panels from Lowes as well as the special screws with little rubber washers.:
https://www.lowes.com/pd/Tuftex-Actual-26-in-x-120-in-DeckDrain-Opaque-Tan-Under-Deck-Ceiling-Panel/3043409

My joists are perpendicular to the house wall, and the slope of my ceiling went down away from the house. I had to install small strips of treated lumber that went across, under the joists that got taller as I went away from the house to create the drain angle. I made my angle twice what was recommended to promote good drainage.

The ceiling panel was right at the bottom of the joist next to the house and was about three inches below the joist at the farthest point away from the house. I ran a gutter along the bottom edge of the ceiling that ran into a downspout.

I had replaced the deck boards with Trex about five years before I installed this ceiling underneath.

The ceiling worked great for about five years, then I started noticing a few dips in the deck surface.

I pulled back a few ceiling panels to find my joists were rotting, the joist nails were rusting out, there was mold growing on the joists, and roaches had built condominiums at the end of each joist. Not good!

I removed all of the ceiling panels, replaced a few joists, jacked up the others and added new joist hangers, and scrubbed off the mold. I told the roaches to get lost, and painted the joists with stuff that turns rotted wood into plastic.

I have about 6 feet of clearance under the deck, so it is just for storage, not living space.

If I had the vertical space under the deck, I would lower the ceiling about 6 inches or more to allow air to freely circulate between the deck and the ceiling.

I like the idea of replacing the Trex with a waterproof, interlocking decking material, but the Trex was so expensive. Maybe at the next house.


Certainly not unheard of... I’ve seen what you’re describing- but yours would be a worst case scenario from what I’ve seen. That’s what I meant about the “maintenance issues” I hinted to previously. Those systems will usually get a lot of debris in them that will start to stink to High Heaven because of mold, algae, dead bugs, and rodents (how they get in there is somewhat of a mystery).

Removing boards, removing debris, doing a pressure washing, reinstalling boards, yada, yada- it’s a PITA! This is why I highly recommend the PVC interlocking decking for those that want a dry useable space below a deck w/o the exhaustive maintenance.

An annual pressure washing should be all that’s needed to enjoy a deck/patio combination!
 

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I just finished one with an EPDM roofing membrane under the deck boards. So far so good. Easier than I thought to get it to drape the way I wanted. The floor is trex and I wonder if it’ll get ridiculously hot in summer. I guess we’ll see.
 

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Not sure if you are instagram, but Dr. Decks does EDPM gutter systems and also uses a product called: https://dexerdry.com/

The latter should work with your Trex decking, pay attention to install and compression to ensure a waterproof seal
 

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I did roofing tin under my 10' high deck. Not exactly waterproof, as I had to work around some posts and framing members, but it keeps the rain off equipment parked under there. I added to the existing framing to get about 6" of pitch. I put a gutter along the outside edge, as the rainwater dumping off of it splashed up a lot of mud.
 

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I did it w/ corrugated plastic panels to make the space under the deck into a storage shed.
https://www.lowes.com/pd/Tuftex-SeaCoaster-2-17-ft-x-12-ft-Corrugated-Pvc-Plastic-Roof-Panel/3010593
And plastic gutter and down spouts. Remember that you need a slope for the panels and also a slope for the gutter unless you want two downspouts. I started in the lowest corner and didn't make it quite low enough. The last 2 plastic panels don't have as much slope as I would prefer but they seem to be working fine. Also think about how you will seal the edges of the deck. Mine has the joists 90deg to the wall of the house and the outer joist ends rest on a 2x10 that is notched into the outer surface of the 6x6 posts. So it made sense to just screw the gutter to the inner surface of the posts. But that leaves 5.5 inches for the posts and a double layer of 2x8 and 2x10 for a total of 8.5 inches of deck surface that has nothing under it. I am using backer rod and sealer urethane caulk to seal that 8.5 inches from the top. I should probably have figured a way to put the gutter out further.
 

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I did it w/ corrugated plastic panels to make the space under the deck into a storage shed.
https://www.lowes.com/pd/Tuftex-SeaCoaster-2-17-ft-x-12-ft-Corrugated-Pvc-Plastic-Roof-Panel/3010593
And plastic gutter and down spouts. Remember that you need a slope for the panels and also a slope for the gutter unless you want two downspouts.

I've helped a family member install a setup just like that in the past, and it'll definitely be the way I go when I get around to installing a deck here.
 

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This is the product I had installed, it leaked a little bit at the house header. I put some silicone caulk on it and solved most of the drips, except for really heavy rains. Which is fine for what I use the space for.

DrySpace​​​
 
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