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I need some good quality files for cleaning up cuts on steel and alum. Different geometries. Flats rounds, squares. I have some inexpensive files and they are disappointingly dull. They got dull fast. At the Orange Box store I see the Husky brand and the Nicholson brand. Is either considered high quality vs. home owner grade? I don't mind paying a bit more for something that will hold its edge longer. In other words I don't mind paying up for value. I will be using them harder than the typical home users. I know these are simple hand tools that have been around for ever but some must be much better than others. Thoughts? Thanks.
 
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I use Nicholson, Pferd, Hasbilis and Grobet USA. I am very happy with all of them.

I have Italian made rifler files but I can't remember the manufacturer. But they weren't cheap. I think I paid $50 to $60 each.
 

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I have a couple of Nicholson Magicut files. They cut like ******* (so to speak).
And I have a Nicholson Axe file. It is mill cut on one side. Does a nice job and I found that I use all three of them for different situations.
Finally, I have some of those Japanese things that seem like they are made of woven hacksaw blades. One side is coarser than the other. That thing is like a mfer on wood or plastic. Yessir.
Hope this helps
 

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I think your budget will dictate on what to recommend. Glardon-Vallorbe (Swiss) is the best, insanely beautiful and extremely sharp. Its the current reference file.
P'Ferd (FRA) and CORRADI (ITA) is also very good. You can check out Bahco files made in Portugal (now Snap-On) but I don't think they as good as the ones I listed above and now doing way more volume now than they use to, mass producing but still near the same price as above. Oberg Sweden are/were awesome but they turned into Bahco and moved all file making to Portugal.

I would avoid Grobet USA as they sell files sourced from all over including a lot from India, They also sell a lot of files from Italy which I'm pretty sure are Corradi's. They do not solely sell Swiss made files despite what all there marketing implies, they don't make this clear and would avoid, they're not associate with Grobet Swiss..
Also avoid new Nicholson files, they're either made in Brazil or Mexico, unless of course you can find new old stock ones with USA marked on them, especially the lathe files. Old Nicholson were very good files but now very hard to find.

Look for single cut lathe files and Magicut style for aluminum, you'll find both of those very useful as well as the more common double cuts. Use chalk when filing aluminum.

You're in Mass. If you can stomach going to flea markets and yard sales, you would be surprised how many nice unused files you can find for cheap but it takes a while. Simonds is also a very good file maker but they must be marked USA. The old stock vintage files are the prizes of a good work shop. Good luck
 
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Of you get a stash of good old ones they can apparently
usually be brought back with acid. I need to try it on mine.
 

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I will be using them harder than the typical home users.

Id go with Nicholson single cut flat ******* from McMaster Carr.

Go with a 12-16" file. The size of the file must match how hard you expect it to work.

If you are into roughing off a lot of material I would go with a double cut. Its faster and the finish shows it.

If you are expecting to do precision work with it, a Swiss Pattern would be my choice, I carry 2 warding files in my pocket in a leather sleeve.
 

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Just how do you find Glardon-Vallorbe files? I checked their website and found three dealers in the US. None of those dealers show G-V files on their websites, though. I certainly need something better than the current crop of Nicholson imported files. I file tool steel (unhardened) which is rough on files.
 

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Take a look at Cripe Distributing, they have a decent selection of random individual files at good prices. Lots of US-made Nicholsons.
 

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...They got dull fast. ...

Almost too stupid even to mention, except I've seen an awful lot of guys (who should have known better) attempting to remove material on both strokes of a file - which dulls them in short order. Files cut in one direction.

I've always preferred Nicholson, but the drop in quality in recent years has been obvious, not just noticeable.
 

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Just how do you find Glardon-Vallorbe files? I checked their website and found three dealers in the US. None of those dealers show G-V files on their websites, though. I certainly need something better than the current crop of Nicholson imported files. I file tool steel (unhardened) which is rough on files.

Otto Frei is a respectable dealer, they have awesome very high quality tools for sale.

https://www.ottofrei.com/jewelry-tools-equipment/bench-tools/files#filter:custitem_of_web_brand:Glardon-Vallorbe/filter:custitem_of_sca_file_length:10$2522$2520(250mm)/filter:custitem_of_sca_type:Machinist$2520Files

Rio Grande is another one but they only offer smaller sizes, it's another great site to peruse to check out all of the small tools they offer.

https://www.riogrande.com/searchresults#t=products&sort=relevancy&layout=card&numberOfResults=36&f:categoryfilter=[Tools%20%26%20Equipment,Files]
 

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Always been a fan of Nicholson but maybe I just don't know any better and there are much better choices.
 

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Almost too stupid even to mention, except I've seen an awful lot of guys (who should have known better) attempting to remove material on both strokes of a file - which dulls them in short order. Files cut in one direction.

X2 on the above. Have you been trained on the proper use of a file and what file to choose for the job at hand? Are your files just thrown in the drawer with other tools or in the file holder? It makes a difference.

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Of you get a stash of good old ones they can apparently
usually be brought back with acid. I need to try it on mine.

I'd like to hear more about the acid or any other methods of restoring files.

I've got a handful of worn files that I found in my dad's pile of tools. They probably weren't great to begin with but if i can get some life & use out of em that'd be swell.

Bought some husky files myself years ago. They're ok but not great. I've used & looking for better myself.
 

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Next time I'm at Harbor Freight I'm planning on getting this set and abusing it. Saving good files for the intricate or finish work.

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I use more of the vintage files from either Heller, Nicholson or Simonds I have a drawer full of different sizes shapes and cuts. It all depends on what you are working on.
 

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I'd like to hear more about the acid or any other methods of restoring files.

I've got a handful of worn files that I found in my dad's pile of tools. They probably weren't great to begin with but if i can get some life & use out of em that'd be swell.

Bought some husky files myself years ago. They're ok but not great. I've used & looking for better myself.

YouTube has tons of videos. I think toilet cleaner works too.
 
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Take a look at Cripe Distributing, they have a decent selection of random individual files at good prices. Lots of US-made Nicholsons.


Thanks for the tip. They must have scored some more new old stock as I checked a couple of months ago and barely had any. I just bought a bunch of them today.

They currently have some 14" Johnson files, made in the USA selling for cheap. Not sure the quality of these but I have some old Johnson's that were very good. These are huge files.

They also have several USA made flat rectangular Nicholson files in different lengths.

When ordering, please email Amanda at Cripe and ask for a shipping quote for your order and a GJ discount. Don't be too shocked with shipping prices, good high carbon files are extremely heavy for there size and shipping prices have risen everywhere but when emailing them, the price is lower.

When I get my order, I'll let you know how they check out and when they arrive but it will most likely be later next week.

Last thing, when properly sizing the length of a file, you do not count the handle length in total length, the total length is measured from the tip down to where the handle tang starts.
On Ebay, sellers typically quote the total length including the handle making it seem much bigger files than they really are. Lastly, don't fall for the new old stock files with pics with old vintage looking logo's on the boxes. They use the same old 100 year old vintage logo's for Brand New cheap Mexican made files. If they don't show USA on the file, assume its a cheap import made version. It's a buyer beware world out there.
 
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I may just not know what a good file feels like but I recently bought some Kobalt files and really like them. I find them to be sharp and easy to use.
Just last weekend I use my Kobalt ******* file to sharpen my lawnmower blade and it worked great. Ive also used it to sharpen an old Fiskars hatchet that I have and it worked great for that too.
Ive always been someone who thought that you had to use a grinder to sharpen lawnmower blades and tools but have been really impressed how quick and easy that file has been.
 

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I bought a set of Wheeler files a few years ago and I like them. Not as expensive as Nicolson, but consistent in quality.
 

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Just to mention ..... I recall an online seller had sets of six assorted Nicholson files with handles for around ten bucks a set .... don't remember the exact price but it was silly cheap .... I got several as did many on this forum because I'm almost sure it was in the "Hot Deals" section.
It was the seller that's worth hundreds of billions .... so I still don't feel bad.
 
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If using vigorously for a lot of metal removal, I always try to "chalk the file" aka fill the tooth gullets with chalk to prevent pinning.

I have some pieces of "railroad chalk" roughly 1" dia, dedicted to such service, which I think I got at Brownells. Any blackboard chalk will work but the large diameter works faster and more consistently.
 

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Never hear of chalking a file before. Will have to give it a try, though I file all that often. None laying around, but any reason to think (colored) sidewalk chalk wouldn't work also?
 

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If using vigorously for a lot of metal removal, I always try to "chalk the file" aka fill the tooth gullets with chalk to prevent pinning.


I would say if you were looking for a tool to "use vigorously for a lot of metal removal" a file would be the very last tool I would grab. :confused:
 

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I've talked to these guys about sharpening some files.

https://boggstool.com/file-division

They are local so I can drop them off.

I have a bunch of old files from family farms. Some of them are to far gone but others might be able to be sharpened.

I also got several boxes of brand new Nicholson files in the box from the farms. Probably from 1950's and likely older.
 
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I've talked to these guys about sharpening some files.

https://boggstool.com/file-division

They are local so I can drop them off.

I have a bunch of old files from family farms. Some of them are to far gone but others might be able to be sharpened.

I also got several boxes of brand new Nicholson files in the box from the farms. Probably from 1950's and likely older.

Interesting process! I never thought a file could be resharpened. Cleaned, yes, but resharpened no.
 

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I've been wanting to try Boggs out as well for a long time and have heard really good things about them, they do all kinds of sharpening like drill bits and end mills.

The price for sharpening files is counted by the inch and its not expensive. Please let us know how it goes?

They're not so local for me, about 45 mins away in a direction I rarely ever head to and its two round trips to drop off and then pick up so I've held off. I actually gave away a lot of my used files since I now a large excellent inventory of new vintage old stock.

Boggs supposedly does a really nice job getting files sharp again although they don't last as long as they get thinner but better than a useless dull file.



I ordered 10 US made files from Cripe to check out but FedEx lost the package in Memphis, its not Cripe's fault and eager to check them out.
 
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I ordered 10 US made files from Cripe to check out but FedEx lost the package in Memphis, its not Cripe's fault and eager to check them out.


I was scratching my head wondering why your package went to Memphis as it's not between Idaho and So. Cal. Then I remembered they now have a facility in TN as well.
 

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For aluminum and plastic, I picked up a Bahco 10-Inch FM10 File Master and have been very impressed. It cuts through both materials fast, leaves a fairly smooth surface, and doesn't fill up with the material it removes. Wish I had known about these sooner.

Also picked up a few Bahco files to fill in some of my missing or worn files and have no regrets. I've also learned not to loan out hand files ...
 

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I was scratching my head wondering why your package went to Memphis as it's not between Idaho and So. Cal. Then I remembered they now have a facility in TN as well.

Yeah, me too. Especially since ID and CA are both well west of the Mississippi, have a similar longitude and no bad weather unlike what Memphis experienced the week before shipment which has crippled that location. :headscrat

Cripe told me the 14" Johnson files ($5) had a 1986 date on the box so hopefully the steel was still solid & straight back then. They had over 900 of them in stock. Maybe one day I'll get to try one out.
 

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Are all files used on metal to be considered consumables?

Paul Sellers talks about sharpening saws, and he mentions that a miter saw (say 14 inches long, 10tpi just off the top of my head) you'll only get 3-5 full sharpenings before the file is junk. I think he specifically mentioned cheap new Nicholsons were more like 1-2. For me, I can't see spending more than about $10 for a saw file.

I have a ~12x1 metal file that I only use for smoothing over edges. My shoulder doesn't handle significant reshaping, the grinder comes out pretty quick. Even that file, I can't see it lasting forever.

So basically OP, if you're in a production environment, maybe count files in your consumables and roll that into the selling price, and just toss/recycle/send to your local blacksmith after a few jobs.
 

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Are all files used on metal to be considered consumables?

Yes and no, the problem now days is finding a good file; most now are **** with softer metal, twisted and not as sharp compared to the quality of old ones so its worth trying to find good NOS and to also get your old ones sharpened to help extend the life of them (if possible) but resharpened ones don't last as long as the process thins out the file teeth.
I think Boggs charges about $3 to resharpen for an avg file so its worth pursuing since a really good quality file costs ten times that.

I don't think people realize how good an excellent file is and what can be done with one.
You can get a beautiful flat finish using only a file and very accurate surface thats better than using a sander or grinder.

Back in the old days in Switzerland, machinist journeyman's final test was to make a perfectly square measuring block out of a chunk of metal with only a file to shape it. I think within a hundredth of a mm?
 

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Yes and no, the problem now days is finding a good file; most now are **** with softer metal, twisted and not as sharp compared to the quality of old ones so its worth trying to find good NOS and to also get your old ones sharpened to help extend the life of them (if possible) but resharpened ones don't last as long as the process thins out the file teeth.
I think Boggs charges about $3 to resharpen for an avg file so its worth pursuing since a really good quality file costs ten times that.

I don't think people realize how good an excellent file is and what can be done with one.
You can get a beautiful flat finish using only a file and very accurate surface thats better than using a sander or grinder.

Back in the old days in Switzerland, machinist journeyman's final test was to make a perfectly square measuring block out of a chunk of metal with only a file to shape it. I think within a hundredth of a mm?
Not totally sure this completely answers. Are you only going for clean mild steel and below, only pushing, cleaning after use? Sure, it may be worth buying a nice file. Are you reshaping questionable and possibly hard or dirty stuff, or as this post started, using harder than the average bear? Maybe buy what works and chuck it when dull.
 

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I've been wanting to try Boggs out as well for a long time and have heard really good things about them, they do all kinds of sharpening like drill bits and end mills.

The price for sharpening files is counted by the inch and its not expensive. Please let us know how it goes?

Boggs supposedly does a really nice job getting files sharp again although they don't last as long as they get thinner but better than a useless dull file.

I found out about Boggs from a plane maker, who used to send them new files to sharpen before he used them on his hugely thick irons. This was back before 2003 I think, so not sure the quality of Nicholson at that point.

Boggs is not local for me, but I used a USPS Flat Rate puzzle box @ $20, and shipped them 42# of files, taped to a board so they didn’t escape. These were mostly vintage files, bought at garage and estate sales, some NOS that weren’t stored the best, but a variety of shapes, round, square, pillar, needle, cant saw files, knife edge. Not the normal stuff you’ll find at HD.

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Needless to say, it was expensive. Total bill for 128 good files was $210, the 120 crappy, “don’t send these in to us again” was $30, plus $45 return shipping. Total turn around time was under a month, just based on photo dates. Part of that was phone tag, as I was traveling when they called me with the bill.

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But, can you buy a single 8” flat ******* file for $2? Much less one of decent quality? I use the crappy ones for stupid around-the-shop projects, drawfiling etc., and keep the better ones for saw sharpening, more major work, and then put them aside with other GS finds for the next order going to Boggs. I’m hooked, and probably set for life, but I’m not a serious metal worker, so your mileage may vary.

And previous advice I had seen on saw sharpening was to only use a triangle file once, and get one big enough that you can do two passes on each face, so three saws per file. I think that was from Pete Taran, founder of the Independence Saw company.
 

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That's it? those are only a couple of files? :D


Great post and info RTM, and joking as that's a massive pile of files you have there, also making it more worth it to ship spreading the price across a bunch of files. I don't think people realize how heavy files are. I think I sent one USPS flat rate large box to a client that was around 45lbs with only files in it, my mailman picking up the out going packages was not impressed.

Do you having any pics showing a before and after pic of the teeth from Boggs? I heard that Boggs gets the edge really sharp but doesn't nearly last as long as an orig. as it's much thinner and can only be done only so many times. I also curious if it keeps the edge completely flat across or does it get a wavy edge? I use files a lot for restoring flat surfaces in a machine shop sort of like you when your stoning, having a clean flat even edge is key. This doesn't matter as much when using files on a lathe.

I use to sell a lot of files to collectors and users of vintage saws, they would go nuts for good NOS triangle files which I don't really use much in my shop and not in my wheel house..
I gave away about 50 used files to friends and clients, most were huge ones (16"); just didn't want to be in the used file business anymore but there is certainly a huge demand for good US made files.

Awesome to see so many files being saved and their life extended. Nice job!
 
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