The VISES of Garage Journal

[Shiftless]

Ryan340 and Smitty:

Nice hauls fellas!

 

[Ryan_340]

I’ll guess 5/47 on the baby bullet.

11/50 stamped on the baby

 

[Smitty]

Remind me to get my eagle eye checked.

Shift: thanks, the best part about having toys is taking them out and playing with them every once in a while.

 

[MooseInTheLou]

New here and while looking for info on a Wilton 1760 I just picked up, figured I'd share my vise collection.

 

[autopts]

If that C2 is stamped 78, it must have been put it the very back of the stock. Wilton quit making that vise around 75 when they redesigned them. They stamped the key way as their last step before boxing. It's a beauty
smitty your collection is beyond compare
kevin scott hope you are well, don't rush out there too quick. LOL My guy is telling me the cost of steel is going in the direction of gasoline. up up up

 

[Dandy Dave]

Found this little hand held vice in an old CJ3B Willys Jeep I rescued during the week. Gave it to my honey and she is going to clean it up and make it work again. Not sure of the manufacturer?

 

[Smitty]

Autopts: Thanks, I appreciate that.

 

[11b30b4]

Thursday, I hit another estate sale and snagged a Wilton C0 for $45.00 There is no swivel base but otherwise it looks to be complete. I will be cleaning it up and refreshing it for use in my shop.

The handle is bent, and I will make a replacement. The removable jaw screws are stripped and the pins that hold the pipe jaws in are firmly holding. The date code is 6-15-64. I have soaked the parts in Simple green for 48 hours and I now have everything in a citric acid bath.

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I was wondering what the part numbers were for the swivel base and/ or if any of the swivel bases from any of the replacement parts sites would work with this C0.

 

[Smitty]

Wow, that’s a great deal for a Wilton C0 and it looks like it’s in good condition. I found the same model vise without a base last year. I had a 9140 Cadet and the base fit perfectly. The base and swivel locks are period correct for the C0. I’d rather have a Cadet without a base than a C0.


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[kenc184]

Some updated and new links for the Float-Lock and Mity 7 vises. .

I have a mity 7 on my woodshop dedicated shopsmith drill press, I also have the original box and paperwork. Neat stuff from a byegone era.

 

[txlonghorn1989]

Wow, that’s a great deal for a Wilton C0 and it looks like it’s in good condition. I found the same model vise without a base last year. I had a 9140 Cadet and the base fit perfectly. The base and swivel locks are period correct for the C0. I’d rather have a Cadet without a base than a C0....

I wish there was more details on what bases will accommodate other models for the Wilton bullet vises.

 

[dkroth]

I have a mity 7 on my woodshop dedicated shopsmith drill press, I also have the original box and paperwork. Neat stuff from a byegone era.

Mr Pete is a fan. He did a couple videos on the float lock, including making one of his own.








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[Bones11]

Speaking of Fulton star vises I have this rarely seen 6”no.58, it’s a beast. [/url]

That's a nice one! Also it reminds me to ask the group here: what is the significance of the star, if any, on the Fulton vises? The Fulton 19 I worked on had one as well. I think I've seen a nearly identical star on other manufacturers vises too?

 

[Shiftless]

I wish there was more details on what bases will accommodate other models for the Wilton bullet vises.

Check with autopts
I am not aware of a master list of what base fits what vise.

 

[txlonghorn1989]

I have to wonder how many GJ members were part of the 18 bids on the Wilton 347J vise clamp on ebay. Sold for $246.50 + $15.10 shipping. Looks like it's still got it's original paint. Nice one.

 

[kenc184]

Mr Pete is a fan. He did a couple videos on the float lock, including making one of his own.

I saw those, I'm a big fan of Mr Pete.

I have another float lock on my garage drill press, this time it's a Heinrich, quite a bit bigger than the Mity7.

 

[Dandy Dave]

Clean up on this little hand Vice was successful. It was a great learning experience for my better other half. This was her first attempt at using a glass bead cabinet. I taught her some tricks about loosening rusted things up without breaking them. Did some of this in my Reed C-4. Talk about extreme's. Does any one know who manufactured this particular Hand Vice? We found no markings on it. This is her first vintage vice. She likes this stuff. Maybe I started something here? Thanks for looking.

 

[11b30b4]

Smitty, thank you for the reply. I was wondering about the differences between the various styles of bases.

For example, here is a swivel base that autopts is selling on ebay. This one says it’s for the C0 as well as others. Notice it has the inner ring.

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I am at work and do not have a picture of the bottom of my C0 and I do not recall if the bottom is flat or if there is a ring that would drop into the outer ring. There are these types of bases that do not have an inner ring.

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I am assuming that since my vise is from 1964 (or 1959 depending on what I read) I expect that my vise is flat on the bottom and that the only protrusion is the center pin that is either not removable or the original owner left it in for some reason (he may not have know that it was removable). If my vise is flat on the bottom, then I assume I really need the style base that autopts is selling with the inner ring to keep the vise centered in the base.

Another less important issue is a period correct base. It looks like the base on your vise has rounded mounting feet where the newer bases have the wedge angled shaped feet.

I also see on some of the bases available that they specify 1955-current for various models. This would imply that my 64/59 C0 would work with these bases.

Anyway, I just trying work out what I need to look for and find the best price available. If I can find a damaged vise selling for scrap that has a good base, I may go that route. The price autopts is asking for his base is reasonable and it may be the most effective way I can be sure I get the correct base.

Mark Stansbury,
When I first joined this forum back in 2017, I was rebuilding an Emerson era Craftsman Drill Press and found Frank Lee’s thread. After some digging though that thread, he had posted some pics of a Float Lock Vise. I got curios and started searching for more information about it. I like so many others found Mr. Peet’s videos and his series on making a Float Lock Vise. I eventually purchased 2 Float lock Vises off ebay. Both of these vises were AMF brand and I eventually found that Eagle Rock produces the Wahlstrom Float lock Vise. I called the company and found that they most likely could provide parts for older float lock vises made by Wahlstrom and AMF. The sales person I spoke to was not sure but believed that AMF bought Wahlstrom and later Eagle Rock bought AMF’s tool line including the rights to both Wahlstrom and AMF. I could be wrong here, but it may worth a call to verify all this. Not sure this helps you out but its what I was able to learn.

eaglerockonline.com

This is the big FLV I eventually sold on ebay. It was a bit beaten-up but still functional.

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I need to get a pic of the one I still have, it is a drill press variant.

 

[Smitty]

Here’s the exact same casting as yours dated 12/30/63. The base is flat on the bottom with the center hole so you will need the center ring. This is the original base for the vise but they are not easy to find. The older bases were not as tall and had rounded feet. Wilton switched to the triangle base pattern for the C0 and the C1 a while back. I buy bases from Autopts all the time, he a great guy to deal with and his prices can’t be beat.

Tex: I was watching the Wilton clamp and was shocked to see what it sold for.



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[11b30b4]

Smitty, exactly what I needed to know. As soon as I get paid, I will snag the one Autopts is selling. Thank you.

 

[KMScott]

Smitty I am assuming on the opposite side of the inner ring you have has a 1/2” dowel. The older inner rings are stronger then the newer ones.


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[Smitty]

Kevin: That’s correct, here’s a better pic. I hear what you’re saying, Wilton just seemed to make things better back in the day.


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[454ragtop]

Been a bit of a dry spell for me, but I found these 3 Sun. at 2 different flea markets. Nothing real exciting, a Parker No. 32 oval slide, a Fulton 5190 little 3" home owners vise, and the little unmarked "I" beam clamp on vise, 1-3/8" jaws and the distinctive tee shaped main handle. Anybody recognize that one?

Third pic shows the Parker 32 with a similar Parker 30 I found a couple years ago and cleaned up. Ended up cleaning the Np. 32 up also, it's in pretty nice shape considering it's probably 100 or more years old.

Didn't really want the Fulton, but the seller made me an offer I couldn't refuse. Swivel lock was badly frozen, heat and penetrant didn't seem to help, ended up breaking the little handle. Ended up fabricating a new handle for the swivel lock once I finally got it freed up and off.

 

[ejot]

Lightly cleaned up this Stanley 763. Especially like these little Stanleys with the replaceable steel jaws. Couple odd things things though...

The main screw is retained against spring tension and this makes the handle very tight rotating. Is this spring original?

And the groove for the nut is much longer than the nut, letting it slide fore and aft as you open and close the jaw. A previous owner had jammed a piece of scrap metal in the groove to prevent this. The nut does not appear altered; why is that groove so long?

 

[1982fxr]

Dont have pics yet but I just got a Parker 5", one of the tall humpback style with the pipe jaws. Actually has the pipe jaws and the wrench. Googling said 118 pounds.

 

[akasrick]

Lightly cleaned up this Stanley 763. Especially like these little Stanleys with the replaceable steel jaws. Couple odd things things though...

The main screw is retained against spring tension and this makes the handle very tight rotating. Is this spring original?

And the groove for the nut is much longer than the nut, letting it slide fore and aft as you open and close the jaw. A previous owner had jammed a piece of scrap metal in the groove to prevent this. The nut does not appear altered; why is that groove so long?

The picture shows a disassembled #765.
In the upper left hand corner is a partial parts list for these style vises. I'd say that, that spring is original knowing the aggravation removing one. The piece of metal is a spacer, nut to stop pin, picture shows what I believe to be factory original metal spacer. Possibly the grove is that long to run a tool to clean up after the cast.

akasrick

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

I took some more pictures of the mystery frankenvise. I think it raised more questions than it answered. The dynamic jaw seems to be cast and the entire static jaw tower is welded plates. The lead screw is machine threads not acme. The drive nut is homemade and not very well done. There is some kind of casting on the back of the beam that I cant make out. I thought maybe it was some kind of kit but the mounting pieces are far too rough. Any thoughts would be appreciated. I cant decide if it was 100% home built or if a dynamic jaw was saved and the rest built around it???

 

[11b30b4]

Smitty and anyone else who can contribute, I attempted to remove the pipe jaw pins from my Wilton C-0. These things are really stuck in there. For several hours I worked at this and did not get very far at all. I managed to get one out and aside from a citric acid bath, I have tried PB blaster, propane torch, small hammer, big hammer, steel drift punches, brass drift punches, brass hammers. I even tried to use a 2-jaw puller, but I could not get it locked to the vise body. Currently the parts are again soaking with PB blaster and I will be beating them into submission this evening.

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I also attempted to remove the alignment pin from the bottom of the vise body but that only ended up with me chewing up the sides of the pin with the vise grips. I will try heat on this pin as well this evening.

If anyone has any suggestions on how to remove any of the pipe jaw pins and/or the alignment pin, I would appreciate their input.

 

[rusty65]

The spring, washer and circle clip are factory a change made by Stanley around 1948 if I remember correctly. I took a couple pictures of my 763 I couldn’t really get good lighting but hopefully they give an idea of what’s going on.



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[rusty65]

The groove for the main nut might be extra long in case some one used the vise in a abusive manner to allow floating instead of hard stop. Perhaps to protect the delicate circle clip that holds the screw in place?


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[Fierljeppen]

I took some more pictures of the mystery frankenvise. I think it raised more questions than it answered. The dynamic jaw seems to be cast and the entire static jaw tower is welded plates. The lead screw is machine threads not acme. The drive nut is homemade and not very well done. There is some kind of casting on the back of the beam that I cant make out. I thought maybe it was some kind of kit but the mounting pieces are far too rough. Any thoughts would be appreciated. I cant decide if it was 100% home built or if a dynamic jaw was saved and the rest built around it???

The casting on the back of the slide indicates that it's an old Rock Island no.192 or no.193, depending on the jaw width.

Check out the vise spreadsheet to get the Rock Island specs to compare to your vise.

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[Mr. Wonderful]

OK, I gotta know, how did you read that mess??? The 192 looks to be the one but the tower is obviously homemade. It must have been some sort of farm repair. I was told the vise came out of an old barn. Do you think those threads on the lead screw are original??

 

[wrenchguy]

OK, I gotta know, how did you read that mess??? The 192 looks to be the one but the tower is obviously homemade. It must have been some sort of farm repair. I was told the vise came out of an old barn. Do you think those threads on the lead screw are original??

I believe he has those special "Superman" powers.

 

[LesserSon]

The main screw is retained against spring tension and this makes the handle very tight rotating. Is this spring original?

This seems like the arrangement in J.G. Baker’s 1915 “lost motion take-up” patent. Bonney was assignee. The patent would have lapsed around 1935, I guess.
I believe his 1908 vise patent is the basis of Stanley’s Victor Jersey vises, of which yours is a descendant. They were produced independently before Stanley Rule & Level bought them out.
Baker was brilliant, contributing multiple improvements to saw, vise, boring, etc.

 

[drivesitfar]

Fier: i've always been impressed by your wisdom and your collection of catalog pages, but while I think I saw 1928 on the back of the Mr. W's vise I didn't see 192 and immediately think Rock Island.

with the feet so rough cut they almost look like they could have been cut by a plasma cutter?

hard to say if homemade static and using parts from a broken vise's dynamic and screw or was it just a rough cast and/or beat up by a prior owner?

in any case I also might say you have SUPER POWERS!!

 

[ed4banger]

Finishing up another craftsman, this a 3-1/2" 5161, dated 1-41.

 

[Bones11]

ed4banger....I like that restored Craftsman! Well done!

 

[lowdowndodge]

ed4banger.... that is fantastic!!!

 

[rusty65]

I retract my previous statement on the Stanley 763 vise there should be a take up steel block between the main nut and the pin.


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[Fierljeppen]

OK, I gotta know, how did you read that mess??? The 192 looks to be the one but the tower is obviously homemade. It must have been some sort of farm repair. I was told the vise came out of an old barn. Do you think those threads on the lead screw are original??

I'll let you in on a secret, I'm not the sharpest marble in the jar. However, since I've been consuming better beer, specifically any Belgium beer brewed by Trappist monks, I feel a lot smarter.

I suppose it could be an over-researched vise database, but I'd like to think it's the Belgium beer.

I believe he has those special "Superman" powers.

I wish. If I truly had "Superman Powers", the first thing I'd do would be to destroy the current "cancel culture" that exists amongst us.

Fier: i've always been impressed by your wisdom and your collection of catalog pages, but while I think I saw 1928 on the back of the Mr. W's vise I didn't see 192 and immediately think Rock Island.

You were very close. It is actually 192B, as in boy.

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