Good Chinese Manufacturers

[didit]

If the Chinese design and build something I can't source from a North America manufacturer I might be tempted to buy it. I have been pleasantly surprised several times in the past, with some of their products. The throw away mentality and "bang for the buck" products have got us by the short curlies and it is just human nature to be frugal with our money. I have seen a trend, especially on GJ of folks willing to spend much more on domestic quality tools and I hope that continues with all other products. We will all benefit in the long run if we can resist the lure of cheaper products from China. I feel the tipping point has been reached and we have become much too reliant on China.

 

[KnurledNut]

The founder of Extech Instruments told me the same plant will build electronics one month and make gym shoes the next month. They will produce whatever makes them money.

Is that why i got laces with my meter instead of leads?

 

[dogdog]

If the Chinese design and build something I can't source from a North America manufacturer I might be tempted to buy it. I have been pleasantly surprised several times in the past, with some of their products. The throw away mentality and "bang for the buck" products have got us by the short curlies and it is just human nature to be frugal with our money. I have seen a trend, especially on GJ of folks willing to spend much more on domestic quality tools and I hope that continues with all other products. We will all benefit in the long run if we can resist the lure of cheaper products from China. I feel the tipping point has been reached and we have become much too reliant on China.

I am not sure if we can with wood cost more than a Porsche... It again comes back to economics, I am not even going to pretend I am an economist at this point.. just simply put, I don't have unlimited budget for tools, 90% of the paycheck goes to rent and taxes and bills, why cant we produce as cheap as the Chinese can and still makes money... Oh right we forgot the reason . People are forgetful just go with the easy answer.

 

[dogdog]

Is that why i got laces with my meter instead of leads?

Did you use your shoe as a multimeter or did you use your multimeters as your shoe?

 

[dogdog]

...........They said, "Those are your products. When your buyers came to let contracts for production, they didn't ask, 'How good can you make it?' They only asked, 'How cheap can you make it?'"

So yes, European manufacturers who partner with the Chinese and keep their own QC on site get world-class products."

jack vines

I remember seeing the Walmart interviews few years ago I think back in 2012 or something when the anti-walmart sentiment was flocking.... the manufactures that bids for the contracts makes about few pennies per pieces in profits.

 

[dogdog]

Same here. I got a Lenovo laptop for Christmas and it would randomly shut off while using it. Screen would just go black and no keyboard response. No support at all from Lenovo to resolve the issue. We returned it to Best Buy and swapped for an Asus.

That is weird, the T15 I got last year was build like a tank. No issues at all... drivers are there in their website... While a friend's HP in India got fried in 2 months of use and they just showed him the middle fingers because of covid and blamed him plugin in something he should not have.....after about a months of run around.

 

[didit]

"...why cant we produce as cheap as the Chinese can and still makes money... "

Because we are not on a level playing field. Different cultures. The workforce in China is accustomed to working in conditions that we would not and for a lot less money. The environmental concerns there are overtaken by the necessity to feed the masses. I don't want to poison this thread with the reasons any more than that but you just can't compare "apples and oranges".

 

[KnurledNut]

Did you use your shoe as a multimeter or did you use your multimeters as your shoe?

Both.
I now have a constant continuity read on my lighted shoes.

 

[Bubba Fett]

Yes. China likes to steal designs and flood the market with inferior junk, sold under a hundred different brands. They use child and slave labor to do so, and have zero concerns about worker safety or environmental impact. By doing this, the companies that they originally dealt with can no longer compete with the Chinese copies.

This is not an accident. The Chinese government wants to put as many western companies out of business as they can. They want to control the world economy, and American executives are too stupid and greedy to care. All they see are dollar signs. Short-term profits and investments are all they care about. They are simply not concerned with the long term health of their companies.

 

[dogdog]

Because we are not on a level playing field. Different cultures. The workforce in China is accustomed to working in conditions that we would not and for a lot less money. The environmental concerns there are overtaken by the necessity to feed the masses. I don't want to poison this thread with the reasons any more than that but you just can't compare "apples and oranges".

I hope that is not an excuse... as far as posioning this thread, I think it is too late, already started at post 41, and it ain't by me.

 

[didit]

I hope that is not an excuse...

Just fact.

 

[dogdog]

Yes. China likes to steal designs and flood the market with inferior junk, sold under a hundred different brands. They use child and slave labor to do so, and have zero concerns about worker safety or environmental impact. By doing this, the companies that they originally dealt with can no longer compete with the Chinese copies.

This is not an accident. The Chinese government wants to put as many western companies out of business as they can. They want to control the world economy, and American executives are too stupid and greedy to care. All they see are dollar signs. Short-term profits and investments are all they care about. They are simply not concerned with the long term health of their companies.

Do they still use child slave labor ? I haven't heard of any in recent news... are you confused with the Child *** trafficking that have been all over the news last few months ...
are you talking about this history? It always is lovely to sit on the high chair and washed our hands clean of dirt ain't it.

Child Labor: Laws & Definition | HISTORY

Child labor, the use of children and teens in often-unsafe working conditions, peaked during the Industrial Revolutio...

www.history.com

as far as your second statement about World economic dominance ? I'll just leave it at that. pretty sure the USA didn't become the world economic power because we are so nice.

 

[dogdog]

Now back to the Original topic..

TCT... probably no one ever heard of them.. but you have seen their products, heck I even own a tool they made but branded by some other company... Evolution... maybe?

 

[CHRIII]

Never heard of Linux. Yes everything I’ve read is saying you will have to pay for each update now. And they promised that Windows 10 would be the last version and they would update it for free forever as you can see they didn’t keep that promise.

Linux is the Open Source clone of Unix. It is available at no charge in multiple distributions (flavors). Updates to Linux and programs are also free.

I converted all of our computers from Windows to Linux between ten and fifteen years ago. It is very stable (no Blue Screens of Death) and is more secure than Windows. There are exploits for Linux, but very few compared to Windows. Linux will normally run on almost any 64 bit computer and is less resource hungry than Windows.

Most who have heard of Unix or Linux but not used them think they have only the command line to do things (think DOS). The truth is that most distributions have GUI interfaces that mimic those of Windows or Mac.

Ubuntu is a popular distribution for first (or early adopters). Another is Linux Mint (which I use) whose GUI is very much like Windows 5 or 7. Programs written for Windows will usually not run on Linux, but there are numerous programs which will do the job for you. As an example, LibreOffice for Linux provides an office suite very similar to MS Office and will read/write Office format files.

Try Linux and I suspect you'll like it.

 

[BlakeTheCarGuy]

Linux is the Open Source clone of Unix. It is available at no charge in multiple distributions (flavors). Updates to Linux and programs are also free.

I converted all of our computers from Windows to Linux between ten and fifteen years ago. It is very stable (no Blue Screens of Death) and is more secure than Windows. There are exploits for Linux, but very few compared to Windows. Linux will normally run on almost any 64 bit computer and is less resource hungry than Windows.

Most who have heard of Unix or Linux but not used them think they have only the command line to do things (think DOS). The truth is that most distributions have GUI interfaces that mimic those of Windows or Mac.

Ubuntu is a popular distribution for first (or early adopters). Another is Linux Mint (which I use) whose GUI is very much like Windows 5 or 7. Programs written for Windows will usually not run on Linux, but there are numerous programs which will do the job for you. As an example, LibreOffice for Linux provides an office suite very similar to MS Office and will read/write Office format files.

Try Linux and I suspect you'll like it.

Are these available in stores? I like to be able to look at them in person and before buying.

 

[CHRIII]

Are these available in stores? I like to be able to look at them in person and before buying.

Google Ubuntu or Linux Mint and on their web sites you'll be able to find information on those two. There should be a download link for the distribution for your computer. You can copy the download to a memory stick (see the web site for information on the best way to do this). You may have to modify the startup options and information on this should be on the web site. You should be able to put the memory stick in a USB slot and reboot your computer to run Linux from the memory stick (this should not compromise your current operating system). You can explore the options of Linux and see what you think.

There is enough information in the web about this to drown in.

Have fun.

 

[visionguru]

When China is mentioned, someone has to make border line political comments, based on ignorance and bias. Let's keep politics and your preferences/beliefs out.

Most electronic gadgets are made in China. Here are the Chinese brands I have:
Xiaomi MI box: TV streaming device. They make good phones and other gadgets too.
Jado: Car dashcam
Lenovo: ThinkPad. I'm a big fan of ThinkPad, currently have 6 ThinkPads on duty. Never an issue, but I've always picked top models, instead of economy lines.

Also for the home:
Fotile: Range hoods. I picked Fotile over Miele (German brand).

Chinese tool market is just as internationalized. Tool people would buy from established brands from Japan, Germany, or even Snap On. With brands setting up joint adventures in China, pure Chinese brands are mostly mid to low tier.

Two years ago, when my wife visited China on business, she bought back some hard to find 3/8" drive sockets (20mm-24mm). A Chinese brand that I don't remember, pretty cheap. The quality seems better than those from Harbor Freight, close to Gearwrench.

For the masses, the top 10 mainstream tool brands in China:

1. Sata
2. Stanley
3. Yato
4. Jetech
5. The Great Wall
6. Sheffield
7. Pro'skit
8. Tajima
9. Endura
10. Kinepx

 

[dogdog]

Beggar Thy Neighbor

 

[Ralf11]

Do they still use child slave labor ? I haven't heard of any in recent news... are you confused with the Child *** trafficking that have been all over the news last few months ...
are you talking about this history? It always is lovely to sit on the high chair and washed our hands clean of dirt ain't it.

Child Labor: Laws & Definition | HISTORY

Child labor, the use of children and teens in often-unsafe working conditions, peaked during the Industrial Revolutio...

www.history.com

as far as your second statement about World economic dominance ? I'll just leave it at that. pretty sure the USA didn't become the world economic power because we are so nice.

I think they are using uigher slave labor now.

There's plenty of cheap labor in India, and they aren't against us like the Chinese govt. is. I got nothing bad to say about the poor suffering Chinese people...

I'd say the US isn't perfect but we been getting better over time. And, by the standards of European colonialism or Rome (if going back that far is fair) the US is #1 in "nice."

To really get a rip roaring talkathon going on a tool production topic, we need to consider Robot Rebellions.

 

[zendriver]

The reality is that America was the manufacturer of the 20th century and in the 21st century, it's China.

Look at youtube, Amazon and aliexpress, for all the new **** they are dreaming up. It's way more intense than what the Japanese ever put out and rivals the enthusiasm the US had - 60 years ago.

FWIW there are actually two China's - the Goobermint that is what it is and the people of China - that embrace capitalism as much as they do their own children, oh wait......

W can like it or lump it, but if we think we're going to squash it, ain't happening, IMO.

 

[dogdog]

I think they are using uigher slave labor now.

There's plenty of cheap labor in India, and they aren't against us like the Chinese govt. is. I got nothing bad to say about the poor suffering Chinese people...

I'd say the US isn't perfect but we been getting better over time. And, by the standards of European colonialism or Rome (if going back that far is fair) the US is #1 in "nice."

To really get a rip roaring talkathon going on a tool production topic, we need to consider Robot Rebellions.

yea, base on your response... I don't think any of your points holds any reality or truth... you should get your news from a different source.

[deleted my links]

 

[Forgottonia]

I was not looking to debate whether China can or cannot make good tools for US companies. Just curious whether there are any good ones by themselves. To be honest, there aren't many so far. Relative to the vast amount of merchandise sold here made by China, the number of names came up so far is very few indeed.

The Chinese shoe industry is interesting. Lots of high quality shoes sold in America are made in China (especially tennis shoes). But the shoes sold within China are much poorer quality. Even the same brands! We've had a Chinese kid living with us the last four years while he finished high school and started college. Each summer when he returns to China he buys about half a dozen pairs of shoes to take back for his family and friends. Often these shoes are made in China! But they're much higher quality than the Chinese made shoes that are sold in China. Weird huh?

 

[Kscardsfan]

The Chinese shoe industry is interesting. Lots of high quality shoes sold in America are made in China (especially tennis shoes). But the shoes sold within China are much poorer quality. Even the same brands! We've had a Chinese kid living with us the last four years while he finished high school and started college. Each summer when he returns to China he buys about half a dozen pairs of shoes to take back for his family and friends. Often these shoes are made in China! But they're much higher quality than the Chinese made shoes that are sold in China. Weird huh?

Maybe the in plant QC inspectors know what will and won’t fly in different markets and cultures.

 

[dogdog]

I think this story says a lot about their two tier systems as far as consumer product goes, nothing to do with QC.... I think it still holds true to some extend..

I couldn't find the exact story I have read, it was about some guy went to japan bought an expensive toilet seat, and found out the factory it manufacture from was few hops away from his home.

Chinese People Hate It That Their Expensive Japanese Toilet Seats Are Made In China

The irony stinks in this week's Random Wednesday.

says.com

 

[dogdog]

like from the Chinese Govt. maybe???

China: 83 major brands implicated in report on forced labour of ethnic minorities from Xinjiang assigned to factories across provinces; Includes company responses - Business and Human Rights Centre

Check out this page via the Business and Human Rights Centre

www.business-humanrights.org

China uses Uyghur forced labour to make solar panels, says report

A report says 45% of the world's supply of a key panel component is obtained by a system of coercion.

www.bbc.com

Coalition Brings Pressure to End Forced Uighur Labor (Published 2020)

More than 190 organizations have come together to demand an end to garments made by forced labor in China.

www.nytimes.com

you are talking about prison labor is something new in the USA.... or Japan or Any where else in the world?

Now as far as Uyghur situation, It is not what this thread is about....and I don't think you can comprehend.

the US is #1 in "nice."

^^^
and I am LMFAO at this.. where have you been the last 4 years.