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zeph & cv had a brain flash as I was reading. If you only need to source a small amount of material would a surplus duffle bag work? Or is modern post WWII not close enough in flavor?

For most of my stuff, not enough material. Couple of the items require a yard or more of 60" wide material.

Ahhh, i forgot about Beachwood Canvas. One can buy OD7 canvas by the yard from them. I bought 8 yards to complete the canvas doors on my Command Car like four years ago. I have it boxed up somewhere. It matches my canvas top they made for me.

However, since I believe that this is the only place one can get it by the yard, they are quite proud of it. It's around $45 per yard (the nice off-color duck canvas I bought was $8 per yard), but if you only need a little it may be the way to go. It is nice canvas. Not sure if they have binding or webbing. They are impossible to get by phone. I hear it's worse now as like most they can't get any help.

Here is their website: https://www.beachwoodcanvas.com

You will have to wait for a weekday to check it out. Their website site doesn't work on the weekends. They turn it off. I think they have plenty of work.
 
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I guess this should interest some people here (article dated Dec. 2018):
https://jalopnik.com/germans-discover-military-jeep-hoods-used-to-repair-a-c-1831021112

Now that's a pretty cool discovery after all these years. I like that they traced all the registration numbers. I know Tom Wolboldt. He has quite the database of Jeep and Dodge WC information.

I finally had some time to pull all of the gears and pieces out of the boxes to see what I have.

Wow, looks like I have enough pristine gears for four transmissions! Amazing. Four cluster gears! Not available any longer. Plus some NOS main shafts and main drive gears.

Also received two cases and three shifter tops. Lots of other transmission bits and pieces as well. I must say this rises to one of my best scores ever. Now I cringe when I think of the noise coming from those rusted gears in the Command Car. Lord knows what the Carryall gear case is going to sound like in an enclosed space. :dunno:

Also scored the NOS drivelines with mechanic u-joints and an NOS half-ton Dodge WC steering box:

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Well, I see the forum completed its downgrade. Will take some time to figure it out. Looks like I can't post anymore picture barrages as we're limited to only 10 photos now. Maybe it'll get better.

Anyhoo, it's been ten months since ordering my seat canvas for the Carryall. Been done with the project, but no seats. So, this past weekend I sewed up and put together my first seat cushions. Not very easy for sure, but somewhat satisfying. I put together the driver seat lower and upper cushion. I had cut the plywood some time ago and made the mounts for the wood to attach to the seat frames. I cut the foam and used some padding to fill my lousing cutting of the foam and then went over it with a plastic cover to keep water out or whatever. At least that's what I have seen.

I cut a two inch taper in the lower 6 inch seat cushion front to back. 4 inches in the back and 6 inches in the front. Not an easy thing to do straight. That's where the white padding comes in handy. I cut the tops of the seat covers about a 1/4 inch larger all the way round from the sample one I had done some time ago. I was thinking that I needed the top seam to be a little further out. Seemed okay, but get a bit of a pucker in the round corners. Someone told me the other day to make the top seam more inside, or back from edge if that makes since, and cut the foam a bit larger and that could possible help with the pucker factor. I'll give that a go. Instead of cutting the top panel a 1/4" larger, I'll make the seam edge of the top panel inward a 1/4".

I looked back at the Carryall canvas seat photos that I found on the internet that I have been eyeballing all these many months to figure out how they make and sew the seams. I thought they were perfect. Now that I have done one and looked back at those photos, they really don't look as good as I thought. I think mine looks as good or better in some cases. I also need to figure out how to pull the fabric on the bottom/wood side for stapling. I have never done that and the canvas will bunch up and cause puckering along the sides. There must be a trick to make it smooth all the way round. Just need to figure that out now. If Starlink would get their act together I could maybe find a video to watch.

In the long run it was nice to actually make a seat cover. Used to seem like magic, but I think I'm about to get it figured out. Hopefully, by the time I get the other cushions done. Have six more to do now.

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Forged ahead with my canvas seat project for the Carryall. I finished the jump seat and the middle and rear seat cushions. Lots of sewing. Tried a different tactic on each cushion trying to crack the code on how to keep the canvas from bunching up. Never did crack the code, but still fairly happy with my first attempt at sewing seat covers.

I tapered the lower cushions on each seat so they would fit better. Found this gigantic bread knife. Doesn't cut perfectly, but works pretty good. Once the high density foam is covered in the batting, one can see the imperfections:

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After the jump seat, started sewing up the middle and the big rear seat canvas covers:

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The middle and rear seat cushions all assembled after sewing:

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Then it was time to blast the seat frame for primer and OD:

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Before I finished up the seat project, I need to make a cover for the driver's seat pan/mount. I moved the seat back four inches to allow my legs to fit, and it left an open area. I needed to make some type of cover, so I made one out of sheet metal. Bent it up to fit and welded it together. Fits pretty good:

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Welded a chunk of angle iron on the bottom just in case I step on it. It's pretty solid now:

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When I disassembled the jump seat, the clevis pins had DPCD stamp on the heads like the bolts. First time I have seen the clevis pins so stamped.

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Well, hoping that I can get the seat cushions assembled on the frames and installed in the next week or so. Almost to the point of calling this project complete!
 
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Finally assembled all the seat cushions to the seat frames and installed into the Carryall. Looks like a totally different vehicle now. Shortly I hope to go for my first drive to find out if everything works:

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Now that I'm not goofing off all day with a real job, I have a new garage companion.,,Alice. Her and Ralph are slowly getting along...:

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Wow Zepher !
Nice work, you have come so far.
Are you going to paint the plywood under the jump seat so when you haul all your buddies around they wont see the contrast getting in or out?
Job well done.
Good looking pup.
 
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What breed is that?
She's a Vizsla. I picked her up in Aquanga, CA. 12 hour trip home, and she was a trooper. Too bad that I had the seat belt over the Flying Tiger logo. She was mimicking it pretty well here:

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Loving the seat work, looks super. Enjoy showing it off!
Thank you. Can't wait to go for a spin now that I have a seat!
Wow Zepher !
Nice work, you have come so far.
Are you going to paint the plywood under the jump seat so when you haul all your buddies around they wont see the contrast getting in or out?
Job well done.
Good looking pup.
Thank you! lol...you know I zoomed in on that immediately after I installed that jump seat. I was thinking of maybe making a little sheet metal insert and paint it OD to finish the bottom of that seat off. I was lazy and didn't paint any of the bottoms as was thinking there were not going to be seen. Doh! Didn't think about the jump seat.
 

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There's no way Alice will be "The Goon". So I'm guessing she's either training to be a WAC, or a WASP. I'm hoping a WASP seeing her older brother has had problems in the enlisted ranks. lol
 
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There's no way Alice will be "The Goon". So I'm guessing she's either training to be a WAC, or a WASP. I'm hoping a WASP seeing her older brother has had problems in the enlisted ranks. lol
Yes, prefer Alice be a WASP. She will fit in with my penchant for collecting WWII USAAF militaria. She seems to be officer material so far. :rocker:
 
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Made the maiden voyage with the Carryall today. Nice and cool. Only 93 degrees today. Next week showing over 110 degrees and 115 on Friday. Good times. lol

Anyway. I painted the bottom of the jump seat, but now not liking the unfinished look of the canvas and batting. Didn't really think through the bottom of the jump seat. Thinking about adding some trim to hide the canvas edges. Geez, probably over thinking the whole thing...again... :eyecrazy:

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Made it back:

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Also shot a video of the first drive. Took forever to upload. I can't watch it due to our lack of internet speed, but hoping it made it. That's one thing I'm going to miss about work. At least I could watch videos there at lunch time. At home it's a no go. Still waiting for my Starlink!!! Come on Elon!:

 

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Well done. You have done a great job as usual.
Is Ralph still being shy about riding in your trucks or did he get over that?

Again, that is a fantastic looking truck!
 
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Well done. You have done a great job as usual.
Is Ralph still being shy about riding in your trucks or did he get over that?

Again, that is a fantastic looking truck!

Thanks Ed! Ralph is still a bit leery about riding in the MV's. Really not sure why still. He did ride the one time my wife went with me.

I guess there is strength is numbers. lol Alice enjoyed her ride yesterday:

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Nice picture with you and the dog.
Your restorations are simply amazing !
Can't wait to see your next project.
 

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The paint on the bottom of the seat looks much better.
I wonder if you could make a sheet metal cover screwed to the plywood to go over the bottom to kind of match the back of the seats.
Sorry if I'm being a nit pick, it's easy to see how much work you have put into these projects. I could see myself as drawing the short straw and having to get in the back seat, as I fold the jump seat I have full visual access to the underside of the seat since the truck has some good ground clearance. Thank you for sharing and allowing comments from the peanut gallery.
 

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Didn't find bulk canvas on Beachwood's website, but I'll bet it's the wrong weight anyway. Everything called out on the drawings is 7.9 ounce, which would be #11. That weight has been out of production since the early 50's. I did find some 8.9 ounce that looks right so far. I may just have to buy a bolt and have it dyed. I need what is now #7 OD and some #9 OD for the various items. I need to tally up the webbing callouts and start looking for that too.
 
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Didn't find bulk canvas on Beachwood's website, but I'll bet it's the wrong weight anyway. Everything called out on the drawings is 7.9 ounce, which would be #11. That weight has been out of production since the early 50's. I did find some 8.9 ounce that looks right so far. I may just have to buy a bolt and have it dyed. I need what is now #7 OD and some #9 OD for the various items. I need to tally up the webbing callouts and start looking for that too.
This website has a listing of the canvas weights. Not too sure exactly what they all are yet: https://www.bigduckcanvas.com/?gcli...Rd6BkOCPsse0fFtK0FHSy8czBRxGBvqRoCksQQAvD_BwE

I requested samples from a few of these places to see what the canvas looked like. What I've found is that the #7 OD is impossible to find by the yard except at Beachwood. I ordered the #7 OD from them for my Command Car doors. Here's the link to their canvas by the yard. As you can see, they are proud of it. I didn't realize how high their prices for roll canvas was until I actually looked elsewhere. However, one can't get #7 OD anywhere else unless one orders a 100 yard roll and pay a bazillion for shipping: https://www.beachwoodcanvas.com/order/productlist.cfm

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The paint on the bottom of the seat looks much better.
I wonder if you could make a sheet metal cover screwed to the plywood to go over the bottom to kind of match the back of the seats.
Sorry if I'm being a nit pick, it's easy to see how much work you have put into these projects. I could see myself as drawing the short straw and having to get in the back seat, as I fold the jump seat I have full visual access to the underside of the seat since the truck has some good ground clearance. Thank you for sharing and allowing comments from the peanut gallery.
I'm with you. I can't take it with the unfinished canvas. A sheet metal plate of some sort is required. I'll be working on that soon! :)
 

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BigDuck has 8 ounce listed, but it's primed art canvas. I may drop them a note and see if it's available without prime by special order. I did find someone that does reproduction uniforms and seems to have a way to get material dyed to the correct colors. I might drop them a note about doing a custom dye job on my materials, otherwise, there are a couple of formulas for dye out there. I'd have to experiment tgo be sure.
 

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Hey Zeph. Awesome ride along in the Carryall. My neighbor has a Vizsla named Brix who loves to ride along in their truck with his head sticking out the sunroof. Pretty funny too see. Alice looks like a trooper.

Your work is as always impeccable and I look forward to your next project.
 
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Found image of a Command Car...Soldier is COL Robert Thomas Crowder.
his bio here.

Now that's pretty cool. Literally. Very interesting photo.

Sounds like he was quite the commander. Sad that he was lost. I found a little more detail as I was curious how he was KIA. Wasn't very typical that Colonels flew a lot of missions:

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Hey Zeph. Awesome ride along in the Carryall. My neighbor has a Vizsla named Brix who loves to ride along in their truck with his head sticking out the sunroof. Pretty funny too see. Alice looks like a trooper.

Your work is as always impeccable and I look forward to your next project.

Thank you! That has to be a sight with a Vizsla head sticking out of the sunroof. Alice has already doubled in size! I have been doing nothing but watching here it seems. Mostly worried about here falling in the pool, but she's now jumping in off the side even though she's not the greatest swimmer yet!
 
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Well, between puppy duty which has basically consumed most of my days lately. I did manage to make a 12 hour down and back to Fresno, California and recovered an original Ben Hur wood trailer. The wood ones are more rare than the metal ones. I have two metal Ben Hurs. This one had the original racks and an original canvas cover which are hard to find...even in reproduction.

So, I immediately had to set about to reproduce the original cover, of course. All between puppy watching. Main thing, since it's been between 105 and 110 degrees everyday, don't want her drowning in the pool. She is getting better at swimming. However, she jumps in from the side of the pool and really doesn't know how to get out. She's a bit fearless. She has been my adoring shadow everyday:

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And she's becoming a good shop dog hanging out whilst I'm doing my thing:

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Here's the wooden Ben Hur I recovered:

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Here's a vintage photo of Ben Hur trailers heading to the ETO I would suspect to do their thing:

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Anyway, I have all this canvas and figured I would give it a go. The most technical aspect of the cover would be the two flaps front and rear. The front is buckled outside to prevent the weather from getting in, and the rear flap is tucked inside and buckled. The back flap has areas that have double canvas for the wear areas:

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All of the edges of the cover have a initial 1" hem, and then a 2 1/2" hem. Eats up a lot of canvas, but is really durable:

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Glad I brought home my desk. I welded up some adjustable locking castors and dialed them in to make a make shift sewing table. Actually works pretty good and provides a lot of space:

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All the hems have three beads of threads:

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Here's the back flap showing the reinforcements:

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The technical area, as I mentioned, are the curved areas on the on the upper flap and the top of the cover. The trailer has steam bent bows that are curved/bowed, so the canvas was made to match the curve I believe. However, I was told that they were actually straight. Not sure. Curved seems to make sense.

Anyway, Took me a bit to figure out the curve, but managed it:

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Used a piece of wrought iron to replicate the curve:

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Just when I was thinking that all was going well, I had to work on the top cover where the flaps mount and reverse the curve...not to mention trying to sew these two together. This was a mind bender:

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More reinforcement at the top of the cover where the flaps attach:

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Lots of mental gymnastics going on here:

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Closer view of the reinforcements:

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Now laying out the large top panels. Lots of measuring to make sure the extra canvas was there for all those folds in the hem:

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Then sewing the large panels together. Wow, that's a lot of canvas to manage:

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Ruh roh....Although the canvas was exactly the same length when I started to sew the long runs, the top piece ended up about an inch longer on both runs! WTH! Spent some time on the web and I think it's the pressure on the presser foot. When I lift the needle and foot the presser foot doesn't apply any pressure on the canvas. I tried to adjust, but not sure if that helped yet. Will find out when I try it again with the 114" runs:

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The original canvas has not hem and leaves the exposed ends of the canvas where the top panels meet. I thought I would improve and fold the canvas over and overlay it so the front piece is on top on the two sections:

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Shot of the exposed ends on the original BH cover:

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However, I think I shot myself in the foot, as when I incorporated the cross seam into the horizontal seams along the bottom of the cover, the layers multiplied. I think it ended up being eleven layers!

In some places I think it ended up being 14 layers. I think I almost broke my machine. Jammed it up pretty good, and it would sew one stitch without cutting the thread. I tried new needles, tension, stitch length, and nothing helped. Went back to the guy who built the machine and he was perplexed as well. He then decided to up my needle size and gave me a couple to try. That did the trick. I could sew up to 12 layers without issue now before it cuts the thread. I spent like an hour hand wheeling the last four feet of one flap and it still cut the thread on about ever third of fourth penetration. I wish I knew more, but for now it's working well with the larger needle. Still can't figure out the secret to the needles, All kinds of sizes and numbers.

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Moment of truth to see if my measurements come out:

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Actually fit pretty well. Now...really to see what happens trying to sew reverse curves...yikes, that was interesting:

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Now some grommet work:

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With the flaps on it looks pretty decent:

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The curve looks pretty decent:

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Next need to figure out the canvas straps and buckles:

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The reproduction covers I have seen have the leather sewn on, but this original has rivets. I was told just sew and go, but the originality bug always hits me. I ordered some brass rivets and washers:

Here's the original buckle arrangement I want to replicate:

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Cut an punch all the holes in the straps and for the rivets:

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Now just need to attach all these:

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Today, I cut out and completed the sewing of eight front and rear panels with the hopes of completing four more of the covers to sell. I'll see how that goes....
 

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Great work Zeph, the canvas work is outstanding!
So happy you took the high road with the rivets, I think people in your inner circle of enthusiast will think highly of it.
Thanks for sharing!
 
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John,

Rosie The Riveter would be proud of you for using rivets
That's funny as I was thinking of Rosie the Riveter as I was hammering the rivets home.
Great work Zeph, the canvas work is outstanding!
So happy you took the high road with the rivets, I think people in your inner circle of enthusiast will think highly of it.
Thanks for sharing!
Thanks! I think they look great. I did run a piece of leather under the machine to see how it would look, and it doesn't look too bad. The rectangle leather of the buckle assembly is sewn on, so I will get a chance with that. I was too worried about attaching everything until the whole canvas was put together. I'm sure it's easier to sew the leather on in sections, but wasn't sure everything would align. Maybe on these next ones if I get a good process going.

Happy 4th of July everyone!

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Are you getting any of your WWII vehicles out for 4th celebrations?
Unfortunately, not this year. If the one 4th of July parade wasn't an hour's drive away, I may have done it, but my wife has all the kids coming over today for the 4th, Puppy duty has also worn me out. Next year Alice should be good to go. She's loving the ride in the pickup. She actually is trying to jump in now when we go somewhere.

I'll probably do my usual display in the front yard. Decorated a bit the other day:

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The last few days I made another canvas Ben Hur trailer cover. Getting a little better at sewing the leather. It's a little slipper, but looking decent. It's been hard on my machine. Have broke a few things, and spent hours trying to just sew without it tearing the thread. Finally all that is figured out. Now it's working fairly well. Learning all kinds of things:

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Takes up a lot of room when working on the canvas as a whole:

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Sounds like everyone's baking in the heat this summer. Thankfully, not too bad in the shop all day. The humidity is nice:

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Here are some comparison shots of the original leather and hardware:

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Here's a little video of the recent cover:

 

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Very nice work! It looks very period correct.
Back in my other life time my Dad took the family on a 4 week trip up to Alaska and back to Oregon. 6 of us in a camper pulling a trailer that had a canvas cover like the one you made. Everything was kept dry but the cover did a very good job keeping the dust out from the Alcan highway.
I hope the wild fires stay away from your neck of the woods, stay safe!
 
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Very nice work! It looks very period correct.
Back in my other life time my Dad took the family on a 4 week trip up to Alaska and back to Oregon. 6 of us in a camper pulling a trailer that had a canvas cover like the one you made. Everything was kept dry but the cover did a very good job keeping the dust out from the Alcan highway.
I hope the wild fires stay away from your neck of the woods, stay safe!
Thank you. This canvas I have is really nice and treated well, so it'll definitely keep the dust out as well as water for sure. I weighed the completed cover and it's 32 lbs. Doesn't look like much, but it's pretty heavy.

Fire about a 1/2 mile away. Only 15 acres and they were on it quick. Have been about 7 or 8 fires here locally in the past two days. Most attributed to illegal permanent campers. I see there is/was a pretty good sized one up in southern Oregon. They are popping up everywhere lately. A couple big ones still in progress here. Pretty smoky during the day.

Looks awesome.
Thank you!
 
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