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sponaugle

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Hey Jeff, thanks for taking the time and energy to update your thread. The house turned out great and it's super nice to see some of your details documented here. To that end, and as somebody has already touched on, can you possibly share how you went your decision process for your security solution? Please don't share too many specifics about what you've done/are doing (obviously), but I'm more interested in the *process* you went through in determining what you needed.

Reason for my ask is that I'm trying to learn and decide on what security features I'd need and most of the web-aware systems out there are little more than sales ads. Simplisafe seems to get a lot of air time via folks on youtube, etc, and there's others out there, so it's difficult to know what might be the best fit.
Again, I'm just curious what some of the abilities or features you found good/not-so-good helped you during your discovery process. Perhaps there's no good way to answer this since everyone's installs will differ?

In my mind, there are a couple of different use cases and design criteria for a security system. First up is the purpose - in my case, and most others, it is to be alerted to a change in circumstances.

If I am home, asleep, and the alarm goes off, I want to have as much information as possible quickly. What triggered it, if there were multiple triggers, and what is the next escalation point.

If I am not home, there are really two purposes - one is to alert the person breaking in to leave, and second to alert myself or the police. (in some neighborhoods where other people are close by you might also want to alert everyone nearby, which a loud siren might accomplish.)

In all of those cases the ability of the system to 'detect' without being defeated is what matters. For me that means a few things. First is wired sensors instead of wireless where possible. Wireless sensors can be jammed without a ton of work, while wired ones are harder to interfere with. (not impossible mind you) Second is multiple layers - Door strike and window strike sensors combine with heat or motion (or both) at different places throughout the house.

There are concerns over the system itself - for example if there are known weaknesses in the panel, or the control module - but those are sometimes
straightforward to mitigate. There are some control system areas you should think about however - power --- it should work for an extended amount of time with no power in the house. --- comms - it should work, and be able to alert without hard comm lines (phones, internet), and it needs some kind of self diagnostics.

All of those things lead to my process -- first - hardwired. (easy since I was building). second - I wanted something I could deploy and control, not an outside company. I don't want someone outside having a schematic of my alarm system. third - reliable, fourth - ability to solve the power and comms problems.

In the end I used an Omni Pro core system, which is an OLD wired system that for me has been really reliable... like 5+ years without a single reboot or system problem. There are certainly other systems like this, depending on how you want to connect sensors. I rolled my own comm and power setup such that I have outgoing comms even with no internet, no power, and even no cell.

As you suggested there are a ton of other variables that go into it, but at the core I wanted security to be very independent, yet integrated with home automation. It will run by itself, but can work with automation. Happy to talk more over PM of course..
 
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Some good points and well explained. As I'm working on my own solution, you've given me some good questions that I should be asking myself; thanks for that.

Also, pretty much the comprehensive answer that I was suspecting you'd have, too... I would have almost been disappointed with a simple "huh, not sure... never really thought about it!" LOL
As a fellow technical person, I appreciate your level of detail.
 

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Jeff,

Awesome updates, we have all been anxiously waiting. House turn out beautiful. Looks like your list of hobbies are just about endless. Enjoy!!!
 

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Amazing progress thus far! Could you share details on this living room light fixture? We have yet to put one in our family room and I think it would go nicely in our home. :beer:

I am unable to post the link to the image due to limited number of posts.
 

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Hi Jeff,
Hope everything is going well with your family in the new house. I turned out beautiful. Have you gotten fully settled into the shop yet? Any interesting car work going on down there?

On a somewhat related note, any chance of getting another vehicle spotlight like you alluded to earlier in the thread? I'm partial to wanting to see some JDM goodness (not that anyone asked), especially since you went american with the first one.
 

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Jeff: I was gone for a few months and hadn't seen any updates from you for a while so thought maybe you were too busy to post some. OMG i've spent an hour looking and i'm still 150 posts behind.

i've always liked what you were trying to do and it seems like money isn't an issue at all. that said it seems like you might need a full time IT guy and Mechanic (maybe you have helpers) for your 13 cars and your dream home.

or maybe you just stay up 24/7 and do it all yourself which it appears you do.

thanks again for sharing and i'm sure i'll have more questions as i keep reading.

oh and BTW that garage with 2 lifts in it is over the top cool.

happy to see you've moved in and tested your driveway with your 3 second zero to 60mph in your Tesla too.

cheers

i'm hearing terrible things about Portland (mainly downtown BS) and hope they are not as bad as i hear so hope that all gets worked out cause you really have a great spot.

good luck!
 

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Just found this and have spent the last two hours reading from page 1 to here..not gonna lie, kinda panicked on page 30 when you disappeared for months!!

Kudos to you for living the dream - and building it!
And here I've been frustrated trying to build a simple 5x16 cantilevered deck off my barn going on a year now. No permit, no build. County says Covid....:wtf:

Anyways, congrats on your new home, thanks for taking us along for the ride, and hope you and the family are enjoying the hell out of it! :)

Simply OUTSTANDING!:bowdown::rocker:
 

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Between last night and when I got home from work read through your thread. Great job explaining your process. I am also interested in your security system including the fact it does not rely on a central station monitor. Great job on your project and cool location for the build.
 
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Here are a few updated pictures -

A few night pictures with the front trees lit up:

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A little fire in the fireplace...
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Server room is coming along nicely.

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My office monitor wall is up and running. These monitors as are all connected over HDMI-Cat6a-HDMI to a GPU in a VMServer with GPU passthru to a VM.

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Amazing progress thus far! Could you share details on this living room light fixture? We have yet to put one in our family room and I think it would go nicely in our home. :beer:

I am unable to post the link to the image due to limited number of posts.

Yea, I'll look it up.. it was from FOSS I think?

Jeff
 

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Jeff: the house looks great, appears you're settling in and really enjoying the fruits of your labor. Curious what you're using for the RGBW downlights in the overhangs, I'm about to put some in and am hoping to find a semi-reliable Zigbee or Zwave option...
 

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Amazing progress thus far! Could you share details on this living room light fixture? We have yet to put one in our family room and I think it would go nicely in our home. :beer:

I am unable to post the link to the image due to limited number of posts.

Are you referring to this one?
https://www.lowelightingcenter.com/brand-generation-lighting-feiss/48-led-globe-pendant/sku-V75-p1412orb?fbclid=IwAR2GGS6dBHEVwJID_stgSOq2njSrPNPHQkOxw6UuN2vM3hjWVyEnPF4SUo4#itemDetailFinish
It's a Feiss. I fell in love with it too. I saved the link when Dave replied back to me about it a while ago.
 
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Jeff - your post on homedatacenter made me fall down the rabbit hole... now I'm a member. This is ... insane. Beautifully done and executed. I'm sure it cost a lot, but you guys in the USA are so lucky to have so many skilled craftsmen / tradesmen / labourers. That thing would be impossible to build in Australia as I don't think you could find the materials or skilled enough builders.

I laughed at your post about 21 miles of cable... SMFO here in Melbourne in 1km rolls are $5,745.00 AUD per roll... not sure what you pay in the USA but that's like $212k AUD of fibre alone :lol: - and here I am worrying about a single 80m SMFO run so that I can get 10G on my server to switch (different areas)!

One question to all Americans - is it normal for plasterboard (drywall) to be finished smooth over there or bumpy? Because in a lot of build photos I see the finish is "bumpy"... and it gives me goose-bumps (do not like).
 
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One question to all Americans - is it normal for plasterboard (drywall) to be finished smooth over there or bumpy? Because in a lot of build photos I see the finish is "bumpy"... and it gives me goose-bumps (do not like).

Both finishes are feasible, but smooth is the more desirable option. Getting drywall perfectly smooth usually requires a skim coat and sanding, which is manpower-intensive. Consequently, some opt for a lower grade of drywall finish and then spray texture to mask the imperfections. It was popular a few decades ago, but luckily is becoming uncommon now. I seriously dislike texture - it's ugly and makes patching much harder.

Re your other question/comment, highly skilled craftsmen are a vanishing breed here as well. In an area like Portland, with strong property values and a robust "maker" culture, perhaps they're doing better. Hopefully Jeff will weigh in. Where I live, we're paying the price for a generation of kids preferentially going to college over entering the trades. This is unfortunate, because skilled labor pays better than many college jobs. Now those kids are having trouble finding employment that suits them, while contractors simultaneously struggle to fill their work crews with craftsmen willing to work hard and pay attention to detail. This has been compounded by a current building boom that makes it less of a buyer's market. In the interest of not taking Jeff's thread out on a tangent, I'll refrain from complaining about how much plumbing or electrical I've had to re-do after the subcontractor "finished."
 

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Love the alarm system, is the current one I have at home. I have it setup that if it is triggered and I’m home. It will turn on my bedroom tv, display the are of concern. And will announce the zone triggered via my bedroom zone audio system.
But I’m changing the panel and leaning towards a elk m1. Main reason is to change thermostats. There is a slight delay in thermostats response. And I need my thermostats to be able to used wired sensors. So far I tried aprilaire but no go, trying now venstar which I like so far.

I also have an IoTaWatt for energy monitoring and flume 2 for water, however I’m looking for any ideas for a pressure monitor WiFi transducer, to monitor gas, water and air pressure?

So far only found this;

https://phoenixsensors.com/products/wireless-sensor-gateways/

I would love to hear any options you may have contemplated for this.

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A few things happening in the garage these days:

Both lifts are in good use now. The Subaru is getting a new engine that I finally got some time to work on.

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I also started some work on my 2021 Suburban - First to outfit with some radio gear.

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I installed a new Yaesu FTM0-400XDR, which does APRS similar to my Kenwood 710.

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I also installed my mobile HF rig, an ICOM 706mkiig with wiring to two roof antenna. The roof mounted antenna won’t be up all the time, as they are pretty tall.

I also got a Yakima platform package for it, and started mounted up some equipment. Nothing fancy, just the basics.

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I also took a few cars our of the garage to do some cleaning, and had a chance to take each one for a drive.

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Re your other question/comment, highly skilled craftsmen are a vanishing breed here as well. In an area like Portland, with strong property values and a robust "maker" culture, perhaps they're doing better. Hopefully Jeff will weigh in. Where I live, we're paying the price for a generation of kids preferentially going to college over entering the trades. This is unfortunate, because skilled labor pays better than many college jobs. Now those kids are having trouble finding employment that suits them, while contractors simultaneously struggle to fill their work crews with craftsmen willing to work hard and pay attention to detail. This has been compounded by a current building boom that makes it less of a buyer's market. In the interest of not taking Jeff's thread out on a tangent, I'll refrain from complaining about how much plumbing or electrical I've had to re-do after the subcontractor "finished."

I would say that overall I had reasonably good luck finding excellent skilled craftsman, but that was as much to do with my builder who has been building up an excellent team of people over the last 20 years. Both he and I are reasonably worried that when these people retire, it will be difficult to replace. There are good high quality building trades here in Portland, and a reasonable number of expensive large houses being built, but the talent pool itself isn't growing very much. It seems like the average age of the experienced craftsman is in the 50s, which doesn't bode well for 20 years from now.
 

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I need to see a diagram of those cars arrayed in N-dimensional factor space.

For example, you may have too many cars in the sports category...

At the same time, there appears to be a truck deficiency
 
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I need to see a diagram of those cars arrayed in N-dimensional factor space.

For example, you may have too many cars in the sports category...

At the same time, there appears to be a truck deficiency

Indeed, there is a slight leaning in one direction. There are 4 other cars still in the garage, but they don't help the cause!
 

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Did you direct mount the lights to the ceiling in your garage or they hung? I have the same lights in my current shop but hung by chains. We will be building a new house with attached shop up in Woodland in the next 6 months and the shop planning has begun.
 
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Did you direct mount the lights to the ceiling in your garage or they hung? I have the same lights in my current shop but hung by chains. We will be building a new house with attached shop up in Woodland in the next 6 months and the shop planning has begun.

They are direct mounted, and it works well since they are designed for high ceilings ( 14ft 6" ). They are wired 240Vs since at 120Vs it would be almost 20 amps.

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Sounds good, thanks for the info. Your house is amazing. The area you built in is great.
 

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You really should do another spotlight on one of your beautiful cars. Something AWD and JDM maybe. I think that leaves you with 5 to choose from :rocker:
 

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Congrats on getting to use your new garages as intended. Very nice work space with the 2 lifts and ample room to move around.
 

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You can bet we do :p
After we moved in approx 1,5 years ago we still had to do a lot of small details, like finding nice paintings and decoration, installing minor stuff in less important rooms, planting veggies in the garden, etc.. but it's fun and now most of the details are done too.

Funny thing is my smarthome supplier just released a major hardware update, so currently i'm reworking my electrical cabinet to bring the Multiroom Audio to the next level, but it's fun to improve stuff.
Also replaced a few power outlets with ones that have integrated USB-ports, so you can charge your phones, etc directly, without the need of the usual ugly bulky chargers laying around everywhere

And i'm really starting to enjoy the slowly increasing "free time" in my Garage / Workshop with my cars again, after prioritizing on the House build for almost two years.

PS: Don't get me wrong - it looks great. But for us europeans it's always funny to see how americans build quite modern houses and then ALL somehow end up with those very "oldschool" (from our point of view) Kitchen cabinet doors, Doors, etc... but that's just a funny little observation i made in all the american TV-shows and on this website :)
What smart home supplier did you go with?
 
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An small update - Solar Installed! I installed 53 LG 380W panel with Enphase IQ7+ microinverters, 20.14Kw total power.

Next up is a 4x 10kwh Enphase Battery system with solar, grid, and genset integration. It will give me great off grid power with solar and genset to battery storage. I can also do time of use offset, and of course charge the Teslas with it.

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