Snobbish tools mystery buster

[anavrinIV]

It's worse than that FCA is Italian not French. In order to get the worse that France has to offer you've got to buy a Nissan.

FCA merged with Puegot-Citroen to form Stellantis recently so now it's Italian and French.

 

[anavrinIV]

You want your USA tool truck to be a French automobile?

My 2020 Jeep was designed in Michigan and built in Toledo. It's about as American as a vehicle can be anymore

 

[Xcursion88]

Now they can give a better warranty than Snap-On does. There is still a difference in quality, but not commensurate with the difference in price.

A Couple things here...

#1... lifetime warranty is lifetime warranty..no? Explain how Asian tools are offering a better lifetime warranty?

#2... it's foolish if your buying focus is on a warranty rather than performance.
You're literally buying something on the admission of breakage by focusing on a warranty.
I don't want something to break in the first place. I don't have the time to stop what I'm doing, run to Horrible freight and swap something that chances are will break again.

#3 the cost.
USA made tools/German as well..are more expensive but they're absolutely commensurate with quality/reputation/price.
If the sky fell in your world and you had to liquidate tools you better believe it's commensurate.
Look no further than Ebay. Take a used chinese made ratchet of any name and look at what they bring on the used market. Take a SO ratchet of same used condition and it's absolutely positively no comparison on the money you can realize if you had to sell said item.
If you listed a Pittsburgh ratchet does anybody even care? Not really.
The SO ratchet won't bring more $$ than it's purchase price but it most certainly brings interest and will get you a return on your dollar.

Fifty percent on your dollar isn't good on Wall Street...but selling a used tool fifty percent (or more) is far better than zero percent which is what that Asain tool brings. The interest just isn't there.

Not very hard to quantify the worth when one item has interest and the other doesn't.

 

[M635_Guy]

A Couple things here...

#1... lifetime warranty is lifetime warranty..no? Explain how Asian tools are offering a better lifetime warranty?

#2... it's foolish if your buying focus is on a warranty rather than performance.
You're literally buying something on the admission of breakage by focusing on a warranty.
I don't want something to break in the first place. I don't have the time to stop what I'm doing, run to Horrible freight and swap something that chances are will break again.

#5 the cost.
USA made tools/German as well..are more expensive but they're absolutely commensurate with quality/reputation/price.
If the sky fell in your world and you had to liquidate tools you better believe it's commensurate.
Look no further than Ebay. Take a used chinese made ratchet of any name and look at what they bring on the used market. Take a SO ratchet of same used condition and it's absolutely positively no comparison on the money you can realize if you had to sell said item.
If you listed a Pittsburgh ratchet does anybody even care? Not really.
The SO ratchet won't bring more $$ than it's purchase price but it most certainly brings interest and will get you a return on your dollar.

Fifty percent on your dollar isn't good on Wall Street...but selling a used tool fifty percent (or more) is far better than zero percent which is what that Asain tool brings. The interest just isn't there.

Not very hard to quantify the worth when one item has interest and the other doesn't.

Buying on resale value is as foolish (or more) as a buying focus on warranty.

 

[dnschmidt]

FCA merged with Puegot-Citroen to form Stellantis recently so now it's Italian and French.

That's like two ugly people getting married. The gene pool dilutes even further.

 

[M6erfan]

That's like two ugly people getting married. The gene pool dilutes even further.

The irony of your post. . .

 

[2ndGearRubber]

A Couple things here...

#1... lifetime warranty is lifetime warranty..no? Explain how Asian tools are offering a better lifetime warranty?

#2... it's foolish if your buying focus is on a warranty rather than performance.
You're literally buying something on the admission of breakage by focusing on a warranty.
I don't want something to break in the first place. I don't have the time to stop what I'm doing, run to Horrible freight and swap something that chances are will break again.

#3 the cost.
USA made tools/German as well..are more expensive but they're absolutely commensurate with quality/reputation/price.
If the sky fell in your world and you had to liquidate tools you better believe it's commensurate.
Look no further than Ebay. Take a used chinese made ratchet of any name and look at what they bring on the used market. Take a SO ratchet of same used condition and it's absolutely positively no comparison on the money you can realize if you had to sell said item.
If you listed a Pittsburgh ratchet does anybody even care? Not really.
The SO ratchet won't bring more $$ than it's purchase price but it most certainly brings interest and will get you a return on your dollar.

Fifty percent on your dollar isn't good on Wall Street...but selling a used tool fifty percent (or more) is far better than zero percent which is what that Asain tool brings. The interest just isn't there.

Not very hard to quantify the worth when one item has interest and the other doesn't.

Warranty is still a consideration in high use and frankly abusive situations. Doesnt matter the brand, t30 torx are consumable. Holding a ford sway bar link with an 8mm and cranking on the nut with an 18mm? Youre gonna crack sockets. Snapping 1/4 extensions, breaking hammer shafts from over strikes, ratcheting mechanism failing, etc.

 

[Xcursion88]

Buying on resale value is as foolish (or more) as a buying focus on warranty.

Nobody suggested such.
Merely a response to the posters statement that extra cost isn't commensurate. When it most certainly is in more ways than one.

 

[m6z]

I don't think anyone will argue that Snap-on has value on the secondary market, but it's not really a fair comparison when you actually look at the price differences.

$132 for a 3/8 drive comfort grip Snap-on ratchet

vs

$38 for the HF Icon version

Snap-on Store

shop.snapon.com

3/8 in. Drive Professional Low-Profile Ratchet with Comfort Grip

Amazing deals on this 3/8In Dr Pro Grip Low Profile Ratchet at Harbor Freight. Quality tools & low prices.

www.harborfreight.com

Yeah, it's a HF comparison, but Snap-on prices are simply out of reach for the average guy. I'd spend close to $1k if I were to buy a set of ste/deep SAE & Metric 3/8" drive chrome sockets looking at ebay prices.

 

[Xcursion88]

Warranty is still a consideration in high use and frankly abusive situations. Doesnt matter the brand, t30 torx are consumable. Holding a ford sway bar link with an 8mm and cranking on the nut with an 18mm? Youre gonna crack sockets. Snapping 1/4 extensions, breaking hammer shafts from over strikes, ratcheting mechanism failing, etc.

Ok????
I'm not understanding your point.

The post i responded to said asian tools are offering better warranty.
I clearly said how is Asian lifetime warranty better than SO's lifetime warranty.?. Or SK or whomever.

I also said it's foolish to buy a tool based on warranty.
It's irrelevant because they've already got a warranty but perhaps I should've been more clear on that statement......

if I need a tool my focus is on the reliability and performance first and foremost. Cost is irrelevant if it does exactly what I need it to do.
It also has a lifetime warranty which is fine...but that's just it...
"It also has" a warranty. Sure I'll take the lifetime warranty but it's not my buying motivation.

I'm trying to show a line between the above example or...

Looking at a tool and warranty being the focus more than function and performance.

I'm still waiting to hear how an Asian lifetime warranty is better than the lifetime warranty SO offers.

 

[2ndGearRubber]

Ok????
I'm not understanding your point.

The post i responded to said asian tools are offering better warranty.
I clearly said how is Asian lifetime warranty better than SO's lifetime warranty.?. Or SK or whomever.

I also said it's foolish to buy a tool based on warranty.
It's irrelevant because they've already got a warranty but perhaps I should've been more clear on that statement......

if I need a tool my focus is on the reliability and performance first and foremost. Cost is irrelevant if it does exactly what I need it to do.
It also has a lifetime warranty which is fine...but that's just it...
"It also has" a warranty. Sure I'll take the lifetime warranty but it's not my buying motivation.

I'm trying to show a line between the above example or...

Looking at a tool and warranty being the focus more than function and performance.

I'm still waiting to hear how an Asian lifetime warranty is better than the lifetime warranty SO offers.

Gotcha, misunderstood.

Yes, all warranties that are "lifetime" are generally comparable. I'd say the tool trucks have the easiest "it broke, replace please" warranty, but that's built into the high price. You can walk into a HF with a broken tool and walk out with a new one too.

Buy a quality tool, that's mission #1. As a general rule, quality tools will have a good warranty.

 

[Xcursion88]

I don't think anyone will argue that Snap-on has value on the secondary market, but it's not really a fair comparison when you actually look at the price differences.

$132 for a 3/8 drive comfort grip Snap-on ratchet

vs

$38 for the HF Icon version

Snap-on Store

shop.snapon.com

3/8 in. Drive Professional Low-Profile Ratchet with Comfort Grip

Amazing deals on this 3/8In Dr Pro Grip Low Profile Ratchet at Harbor Freight. Quality tools & low prices.

www.harborfreight.com

I don't have time to research that so I'm not sure where those numbers would fall...
I'd say in most cases (just off the cuff)
The HF tool used isn't going to get much interest in lieu of price because Joey bagofdonuts can just go buy a new one for next to nothing. $38 as your example...then take some 20 or 25 percent coupon off that..now you're below $30.



Ok...i lied.

I just looked real quick at a completed sale on Ebay...
Not asking for but actually sold...
The ratchet you posted from SO brought $99 used on Ebay.


That's exactly 75% sale of what that cost new @ $132

That surprises me it's that strong.

I tried doing the same with that exact harbor freight piece. Couldn't find anything so who knows.

Gotcha, misunderstood.

Yes, all warranties that are "lifetime" are generally comparable. I'd say the tool trucks have the easiest "it broke, replace please" warranty, but that's built into the high price. You can walk into a HF with a broken tool and walk out with a new one too.

Buy a quality tool, that's mission #1. As a general rule, quality tools will have a good warranty.

And most...(not all)...but most buying the truck tools are using a good quality tool and it's applicable purpose.
In other words taking care of said tool and warranty issues are few, far and in between.

I'd go even as far to say the pipe on a 1/4" breaker bar customer is a harbor freight type customer. (Not all but most)

If you're ponying up truck coin you take care of it. (Most people anyways)

If any of the above offends someone..oh well. Just my perspective of the tool world and running a shop

 

[M6erfan]

Buy a quality tool, that's mission #1. As a general rule, quality tools will have a good warranty.

My general rule is that a quality tool, rarely, if ever, needs a warranty

 

[m6z]

I don't have time to research that so I'm not sure where those numbers would fall...
I'd say in most cases (just off the cuff)
The HF tool used isn't going to get much interest in lieu of price because Joey bagofdonuts can just go buy a new one for next to nothing. $38 as your example...then take some 20 or 25 percent coupon off that..now you're below $30.



Ok...i lied.

I just looked real quick at a completed sale on Ebay...

And most...(not all)...but most buying the truck tools are using a good quality tool and it's applicable purpose.
In other words taking care of said tool and warranty issues are few, far and in between.

I'd go even as far to say the pipe on a 1/4" breaker bar customer is a harbor freight type customer. (Not all but most)

If you're ponying up truck coin you take care of it. (Most people anyways)

If any of the above offends someone..oh well. Just my perspective of the tool world and running a shop

Yeah, but the reality is that you spent a fraction of the price for a perfectly serviceable, dare I say nice, import kit, so resale means absolutely nothing,

I'm looking to buy a new set of 3/8 drive SAE sockets.

Tekton $70
Icon $75
Carlyle $120 on sale
Snap-on $521

 

[2ndGearRubber]

I don't have time to research that so I'm not sure where those numbers would fall...
I'd say in most cases (just off the cuff)
The HF tool used isn't going to get much interest in lieu of price because Joey bagofdonuts can just go buy a new one for next to nothing. $38 as your example...then take some 20 or 25 percent coupon off that..now you're below $30.



Ok...i lied.

I just looked real quick at a completed sale on Ebay...

And most...(not all)...but most buying the truck tools are using a good quality tool and it's applicable purpose.
In other words taking care of said tool and warranty issues are few, far and in between.

I'd go even as far to say the pipe on a 1/4" breaker bar customer is a harbor freight type customer. (Not all but most)

If you're ponying up truck coin you take care of it. (Most people anyways)

If any of the above offends someone..oh well. Just my perspective of the tool world and running a shop

Eh, if I use a 1/4 wobble extension, on a 12" 1/4 ratchet, and grunt/struggle twisting on it..... is that outside the applicable purpose? If I blatantly abuse something, I prefer to buy a replacement. Almost universally, the truck will want to warranty, thus I will take them up on that and buy a spare. I try to take care of things, but sometimes..... getting the job done takes priority. I do try to generally take care of my stuff, but it does get worked hard. Very hard.


I used my knipex cobras for some light precision hammering today. Reached past a hammer to do so. IDK, if they can't survive wrist powered tapping, can they really be strong enough to survive their stated purpose? I needed a narrow striking area, to adjust what I was working on, before the 8oz hammer could finish it off. Teeth are all worn off them anyways, I need to order a replacement. I think they've lasted 7 years or so.

 

[dnschmidt]

1) Warrantee is meaningless. Even the Snap-On lovers ***** about the frequency of truck visits and the negotiating that's required to get tools replaced.
2) I've never broken a hand tool. EVER. Unless you abuse the hell out of your tools I find it hard to believe how this is even possible. I gave Eric O. (a.k.a. the tool molester) a **** load of TOPTUL tools and even he hasn't broken them and I'm certain he's tried.
3) Unless you've got an Snap-On jones, and as a SNA stockholder I hope you do as I love making money off of stupid people, there is no way their **** is worth what they charge for it.
4) No home gamer on Earth is going to be able to accomplish a job with a Snap-On ratchet or wrench that he couldn't with a Tekton ratchet or wrench. These arguments are insane. It's a chunk of steel. Not an F-22 radar. Has anybody ever stated I couldn't change my spark plugs because I used a ****** Harbor Freight ratchet instead of a dual 80. I don't think so.
5) I'm never going to sell my tools so I don't give a rat's *** what their resale value will be once I'm dead. That falls under the category of NMP (Not My Problem.)

 

[M635_Guy]

Yeah, but the reality is that you spent a fraction of the price for a perfectly serviceable, dare I say nice, import kit, so resale means absolutely nothing,

I'm looking to buy a new set of 3/8 drive SAE sockets.

Tekton $70
Icon $75
Carlyle $120 on sale
Snap-on $521

Either of the first two are fine options IMHO. For me, there are enough NAPA's within a few miles of me that I'd trust I could get replacements easily enough if I needed them same-day. I don't personally, hence why I have both Tekton and Icon (chrome) sockets.

 

[M6erfan]

Warranty

Tekton. Send them an email with a pic of the broken tool and description of what happened, and a few days later a brand spankin' new one is in your mailbox.

 

[BlakeTheCarGuy]

I love my Matco and Snap-on ratchets. I don’t have access anymore to a Matco truck. Matco has the best locking flex head design for sure. I’d never buy the Snap-on design. The Snap-on ratchet I bought last week I absolutely love and the hard handle is about big plus. Our Snap-on guy is great. He cuts me a deal on everything. Next week I’m going to try out the warranty I’ve got a socket I got from the pawn shop that I rounded out the inside of because it was pre flank drive so I’m going to see if he can replace it. I’m sure he will he helps us out as much as possible. I know it’s supposed to be to the original owner only but how are they going to know? Harbor Freight I’ve been denied warranty plenty of times. Not saying don’t buy them but just saying you aren’t guaranteed a warranty despite what it says. Plus the tool trucks have a lot more variety and handle choices too which is a huge plus. Today I ordered the Jeep wheel hanger for those ones with no studs he gave me a heck of a deal on it. I’ve also got plenty of Harbor Freight in my box especially their impact sockets. Actually had one on a splash guard I was taking off fall out and almost wipe me out but it was a socket in the size I needed to complete my set but hey for free I’ll take it.

 

[M635_Guy]

2) I've never broken a hand tool. EVER. Unless you abuse the hell out of your tools I find it hard to believe how this is even possible. I gave Eric O. (a.k.a. the tool molester) a **** load of TOPTUL tools and even he hasn't broken them and I'm certain he's tried.

I mean, it happens, especially in a working shop. I personally think the "truck warranty" is over-valued vs. a quick trip to NAPA or HF or an envelope coming from Tekton in a day or two.

3) Unless you've got an Snap-On jones, and as a SNA stockholder I hope you do as I love making money off of stupid people, there is no way their **** is worth what they charge for it.
4) No home gamer on Earth is going to be able to accomplish a job with a Snap-On ratchet or wrench that he couldn't with a Tekton ratchet or wrench. These arguments are insane. It's a chunk of steel. Not an F-22 radar. Has anybody ever stated I couldn't change my spark plugs because I used a ****** Harbor Freight ratchet instead of a dual 80. I don't think so.

It's going a bit far to say they're stupid people. A Mercedes or a BMW is overkill in terms of transportation for pretty much everything, but they're not stupid.

5) I'm never going to sell my tools so I don't give a rat's *** what their resale value will be once I'm dead. That falls under the category of NMP (Not My Problem.)

It seems like we all agree it isn't about resale...

 

[2ndGearRubber]

Warranty

Tekton. Send them an email with a pic of the broken tool and description of what happened, and a few days later a brand spankin' new one is in your mailbox.

^And more companies need to get this figured out. Tekton is changing the game with this warranty, and it's not like their stuff is straight junk and the easy warranty exists to keep the brand alive. It's very serviceable stuff. Warranty can lure some buyers in, not having to use it makes them loyal.

​

dnschmidt - I break plenty. Snap extensions, crack box ends, split sockets, blow up ratchets and ratchet wrenches, break hammers, snap punches, wallow out sockets from pure hand use and repeated yanking, wear down screwdriver tips, knock the teeth off pliers, hell I've cracked the jaws of pliers before! It all dies eventually, the better stuff lasts longer. For instance, my number one broken socket? Snap-on. Semi-deep 3/8 drive 8mm. Probably broken a half dozen. Most brands 8mm have walls that are too thick for the application I typically crack them on. They're on a 10" ratchet wedged against something to prevent turning while I crank on a 16" wrench with everything I can. Or take an long handle zero offset 8mm, sling the box end around a 8mm bit socket, and do pull ups on it in a jerking motion. It'll crack eventually. Ideally, I'd just remove component "X" - but component "X" is all ****** and won't survive removal, because this whole car is ******. Or you need to remove a steering rack, pull the subframe, right? Welp, somebody replaced the rear subframe bolts with MIG weld, probably when the bolts rotted away. Guess you're pulling the axle, cat-converter, and motor mount, then rocking the engine forward as we wiggle it past the unibody. Stick a universal socket on that universal adapter, turn the impact to 10, and hammer it.

Give me a block of wood and I'll find a way to break it or wear it out. I'm not talking about using a lab-scope as a prying tool, but when the going gets tough, you gotta get to work.

My toptul deep offset box wrenches are doing very nicely though. Gotta love that satin finish.

 

[Downwindtracker 2]

That's like two ugly people getting married. The gene pool dilutes even further.

For what it's worth J.D.Rower rates Puegot as the best made European car. Well ahead of the second place. You might have heard of some of those other ones, MB, VW, or BMW. Maybe that will spread to the other 14 or so brands. From Opel to Maserati .

 

[BlakeTheCarGuy]

^And more companies need to get this figured out. Tekton is changing the game with this warranty, and it's not like their stuff is straight junk and the easy warranty exists to keep the brand alive. It's very serviceable stuff. Warranty can lure some buyers in, not having to use it makes them loyal.

Definitely. Craftsman does the same thing if you go directly through the website or give them a call. That’s what I have to do since my Lowe’s store has turned down my warranty. Which is also another inconvenience too is having to worry at these stores about being denied. Plus I will give it to them I broke a pick and they sent me a whole set since they don’t sell individual ones I was happy to have a backup set and they actually appear to be decently made. When they said they were sending a whole set I could not believe it till it showed up. That’s definitely trying to make the name back I’d say. Their new stuff isn’t too bad and I’d have more of it if my Lowe’s wasn’t hesitant about warranty.

 

[dnschmidt]

For what it's worth J.D.Rower rates Puegot as the best made European car. Well ahead of the second place. You might have heard of some of those other ones, MB, VW, or BMW. Maybe that will spread to the other 14 or so brands. From Opel to Maserati .

At one time I had to travel to Tarbes France quite often as part of my job. SCT, the ceramics company that Alcoa owned and I interfaced with was located there, The head scientist of SCT and I got along quite well and during one of my visits he told me back in 1992 that Puegot made the best French car so you might be right.

 

[dnschmidt]

^And more companies need to get this figured out. Tekton is changing the game with this warranty, and it's not like their stuff is straight junk and the easy warranty exists to keep the brand alive. It's very serviceable stuff. Warranty can lure some buyers in, not having to use it makes them loyal.

​

dnschmidt - I break plenty. Snap extensions, crack box ends, split sockets, blow up ratchets and ratchet wrenches, break hammers, snap punches, wallow out sockets from pure hand use and repeated yanking, wear down screwdriver tips, knock the teeth off pliers, hell I've cracked the jaws of pliers before! It all dies eventually, the better stuff lasts longer. For instance, my number one broken socket? Snap-on. Semi-deep 3/8 drive 8mm. Probably broken a half dozen. Most brands 8mm have walls that are too thick for the application I typically crack them on. They're on a 10" ratchet wedged against something to prevent turning while I crank on a 16" wrench with everything I can. Or take an long handle zero offset 8mm, sling the box end around a 8mm bit socket, and do pull ups on it in a jerking motion. It'll crack eventually. Ideally, I'd just remove component "X" - but component "X" is all ****** and won't survive removal, because this whole car is ******. Or you need to remove a steering rack, pull the subframe, right? Welp, somebody replaced the rear subframe bolts with MIG weld, probably when the bolts rotted away. Guess you're pulling the axle, cat-converter, and motor mount, then rocking the engine forward as we wiggle it past the unibody. Stick a universal socket on that universal adapter, turn the impact to 10, and hammer it.

Give me a block of wood and I'll find a way to break it or wear it out. I'm not talking about using a lab-scope as a prying tool, but when the going gets tough, you gotta get to work.

My toptul deep offset box wrenches are doing very nicely though. Gotta love that satin finish.

So ****'s still the same back home in Pittsburgh. Of all the good moves I've made in life getting out of there was by far the best.

 

[dnschmidt]

I mean, it happens, especially in a working shop. I personally think the "truck warranty" is over-valued vs. a quick trip to NAPA or HF or an envelope coming from Tekton in a day or two.

It's going a bit far to say they're stupid people. A Mercedes or a BMW is overkill in terms of transportation for pretty much everything, but they're not stupid.


It seems like we all agree it isn't about resale...

According to my friends that work on Mercedes and BMW's they are stupid. Seventy grand for a plastic car. Those do great out here in 115F heat NOT!

 

[Xcursion88]

Yeah, but the reality is that you spent a fraction of the price for a perfectly serviceable, dare I say nice, import kit, so resale means absolutely nothing,

I'm looking to buy a new set of 3/8 drive SAE sockets.

Tekton $70
Icon $75
Carlyle $120 on sale
Snap-on $521

See above...my post was floating around missing...

Completed sale..used SO ratchet brought a 75% return.

$99

HF icon...not one Completed sale.

So until I'm proven differently...exactly as i suspected nobody wants them and why would they?
$38 dollars brand new....minus a coupon and now it's below $29.

To add and echo...the SO ratchet returned $100 of $132 used.

The HF...nothing. So if you threw away the HF you're out $30.
If you got $100 of $132 back on a SO ratchet...you lost approximately $30.

Looks like a wash to me and ultimately a net cost of the same to own these two ratchets.

Which would you rather own?

 

[Xcursion88]

Eh, if I use a 1/4 wobble extension, on a 12" 1/4 ratchet, and grunt/struggle twisting on it..... is that outside the applicable purpose? If I blatantly abuse something, I prefer to buy a replacement. Almost universally, the truck will want to warranty, thus I will take them up on that and buy a spare. I try to take care of things, but sometimes..... getting the job done takes priority. I do try to generally take care of my stuff, but it does get worked hard. Very hard.


I used my knipex cobras for some light precision hammering today. Reached past a hammer to do so. IDK, if they can't survive wrist powered tapping, can they really be strong enough to survive their stated purpose? I needed a narrow striking area, to adjust what I was working on, before the 8oz hammer could finish it off. Teeth are all worn off them anyways, I need to order a replacement. I think they've lasted 7 years or so.

Why are you using am extreme example as such? What you're describing isn't anything.

Abuse...blatant abuse...you know exactly what the hell I'm talking about.

 

[Xcursion88]

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[Xcursion88]

Yeah, but the reality is that you spent a fraction of the price for a perfectly serviceable, dare I say nice, import kit, so resale means absolutely nothing,

I'm looking to buy a new set of 3/8 drive SAE sockets.

Tekton $70
Icon $75
Carlyle $120 on sale
Snap-on $521

Or you could get SK 89040
Have both std and deep
And if you look hard enough I bet you could score for less than $200

I use them professionally every day and have already stated SK and Cornwell are the best 3/8 dr chrome sockets you can get. The undercut of both (different types of undercuts) makes life so much easier when changing sockets oily/greasy.

SO's are fine function wise but they're an absolute ***** to remove unless bone dry. The extra small ones I literally need a screw driver to pry them off. Maybe my digits are too big but I've no issues changing Cornwell or SK sockets. Both USA made. Both work great!!

 

[2ndGearRubber]

Why are you using am extreme example as such? What you're describing isn't anything.

Abuse...blatant abuse...you know exactly what the hell I'm talking about.

Some here would say even using a ratchet to break something free is abuse. LOL. Mention breaking an extension "why didnt you go up a size?"....maybe it didnt fit? Same deal as impacting against a ratchet or ratcheting wrench. Sometimes that's the only way to hold the other side of something and have the drive end clocked correctly to interface.

Failure of all brands are low when used remotely correctly. Drops even lower when worn tools are replaced before failure. But, you do get unlucky from time to time.

 

[m6z]

See above...my post was floating around missing...

Completed sale..used SO ratchet brought a 75% return.

$99

HF icon...not one Completed sale.

So until I'm proven differently...exactly as i suspected nobody wants them and why would they?
$38 dollars brand new....minus a coupon and now it's below $29.

To add and echo...the SO ratchet returned $100 of $132 used.

The HF...nothing. So if you threw away the HF you're out $30.
If you got $100 of $132 back on a SO ratchet...you lost approximately $30.

Looks like a wash to me and ultimately a net cost of the same to own these two ratchets.

Which would you rather own?

I still think we're looking at this from different perspectives.

Yes, in your example, you recouped $100.

I never spent the extra $100.

In a shop environment with weekly tool truck visits, Snap-on makes sense. For most everyone else, not so much. That's all I'm trying to communicate.

 

[M635_Guy]

See above...my post was floating around missing...

Completed sale..used SO ratchet brought a 75% return.

$99

HF icon...not one Completed sale.

So until I'm proven differently...exactly as i suspected nobody wants them and why would they?
$38 dollars brand new....minus a coupon and now it's below $29.
,
To add and echo...the SO ratchet returned $100 of $132 used.

The HF...nothing. So if you threw away the HF you're out $30.
If you got $100 of $132 back on a SO ratchet...you lost approximately $30.

Looks like a wash to me and ultimately a net cost of the same to own these two ratchets.

Which would you rather own?

I'd probably rather have that $100 in my retirement account . Seriously. The money/payments most new techs invest in SO tools and boxes would serve them far better in an IRA for when it's time to put the tools down than in some mystical resale value and warranty via a weekly truck visit for anything requiring warranty.

I'm just a home-gamer, but most of the SO stuff I own has been purchased after I was 45 and solid financially, mainly as a treat to myself.

Some here would say even using a ratchet to break something free is abuse. LOL. Mention breaking an extension "why didnt you go up a size?"....maybe it didnt fit? Same deal as impacting against a ratchet or ratcheting wrench. Sometimes that's the only way to hold the other side of something and have the drive end clocked correctly to interface.

Failure of all brands are low when used remotely correctly. Drops even lower when worn tools are replaced before failure. But, you do get unlucky from time to time.

You seem proud of the fact you kill a lot of tools.. It's hyperbole to say anyone has said breaking something free with a ratchet is abuse. It's pretty simple - if you're breaking things that much it's you, not the tools (which you seem to agree with in your second statement. Yeah there are times when you've got to do something a tool isn't designed for to get a job done to move on, and if you're cool with that and the warranty works, whatever. I'm just not sure what it offers as perspective. Like you said - used even relatively normally, most of the hand tools owned by people on this forum are going to do the job just fine.

 

[Ricky Joe]

A Couple things here...

#1... lifetime warranty is lifetime warranty..no? Explain how Asian tools are offering a better lifetime warranty?

#2... it's foolish if your buying focus is on a warranty rather than performance.
You're literally buying something on the admission of breakage by focusing on a warranty.
I don't want something to break in the first place. I don't have the time to stop what I'm doing, run to Horrible freight and swap something that chances are will break again.

#3 the cost.
USA made tools/German as well..are more expensive but they're absolutely commensurate with quality/reputation/price.
If the sky fell in your world and you had to liquidate tools you better believe it's commensurate.
Look no further than Ebay. Take a used chinese made ratchet of any name and look at what they bring on the used market. Take a SO ratchet of same used condition and it's absolutely positively no comparison on the money you can realize if you had to sell said item.
If you listed a Pittsburgh ratchet does anybody even care? Not really.
The SO ratchet won't bring more $$ than it's purchase price but it most certainly brings interest and will get you a return on your dollar.

Fifty percent on your dollar isn't good on Wall Street...but selling a used tool fifty percent (or more) is far better than zero percent which is what that Asain tool brings. The interest just isn't there.

Not very hard to quantify the worth when one item has interest and the other doesn't.

Other warranties are better than Snap-On because Snap-On only warrants to the original purchaser.

I can buy a Snap-On ratchet for $150. If I use your figures and sell it for half, I get $75. I lost $75. If I buy a Pittsburgh for $20, I can give it away and be ahead. I lost $20.

 

[M635_Guy]

Other warranties are better than Snap-On because Snap-On only warrants to the original purchaser.

The trucks aren't necessarily going to do it, but my understanding is SO will honor a tool you mail in.

 

[Rinspeed]

Other warranties are better than Snap-On because Snap-On only warrants to the original purchaser.

Not true at all.

 

[Xcursion88]

I still think we're looking at this from different perspectives.

Yes, in your example, you recouped $100.

I never spent the extra $100.

In a shop environment with weekly tool truck visits, Snap-on makes sense. For most everyone else, not so much. That's all I'm trying to communicate.

Ok...but permit me a question.

I just showed you a SO ratchet that you used as an example.
You could purchase that used ratchet for $99....forever have a forever warranty....
It can be yours with a key stroke on the phone/laptop (so the truck is out of the equation)
Or you can buy a $38 Icon pre-coupon....

And if a day came you were ridding your tools you would get all your money back with the SO. (Possibly even more money returned pending inflation of the item brand new from Snap On)

Which would you rather have?

 

[2ndGearRubber]

I'd probably rather have that $100 in my retirement account . Seriously. The money/payments most new techs invest in SO tools and boxes would serve them far better in an IRA for when it's time to put the tools down than in some mystical resale value and warranty via a weekly truck visit for anything requiring warranty.

I'm just a home-gamer, but most of the SO stuff I own has been purchased after I was 45 and solid financially, mainly as a treat to myself.

You seem proud of the fact you kill a lot of tools.. It's hyperbole to say anyone has said breaking something free with a ratchet is abuse. It's pretty simple - if you're breaking things that much it's you, not the tools (which you seem to agree with in your second statement. Yeah there are times when you've got to do something a tool isn't designed for to get a job done to move on, and if you're cool with that and the warranty works, whatever. I'm just not sure what it offers as perspective. Like you said - used even relatively normally, most of the hand tools owned by people on this forum are going to do the job just fine.

People on here literally have told me using a 9inch long 1/4 ratchet is abuse, because the handle is too long.... despite the fact the manufacturer made it that way. LOL

Not so much proud of tool death, just having a laugh at the people that NEVER break tools.


Edit - I pay cash for all my snap on stuff, unless they give my 60days same as cash or something. They'll give me a few hundred off if i sign up for financing, and i just pay in full the next week.

 

[Downwindtracker 2]

Not true at all.

You are dead wrong.I was told this by Snap-On Canada original purchaser . It was only a fleamarket finds, so it didn't matter to me. But it was enlightening.

 

[Xcursion88]

Other warranties are better than Snap-On because Snap-On only warrants to the original purchaser.

I can buy a Snap-On ratchet for $150. If I use your figures and sell it for half, I get $75. I lost $75. If I buy a Pittsburgh for $20, I can give it away and be ahead. I lost $20.

This is wrong across the board.
And it's actually 75%
And I clearly showed (after looking and not speculating) that a $132 ratchet brought $100 used.
Thats a $32 loss.

The icon is $38 new and not one sale of it used.

If you bought the icon and got nothing for it used...
Got 75% back comparing similar ratchets it's a wash. Ultimately it cost you nothing more to own the SO and you had the privledge of owning the finest ratchet in the world.