Help with crown moulding for covered patio.

[ive]

Hi all.

Over the summer I built a covered patio. My wife would like a wood crown moulding put up against the ceiling and the brick.

There does not seem to be much on the way of cheap wood crown moulding. I have some left over cedar amd am wondering if anyone would be so kind to point out a possible use for them.

Thanks so much.
Ivan

 

[ive]

The cedar is tongue and groove, and is on dundage so it doesn’t get wet when I use the hose.

 

[kelpaso1]

The cedar is tongue and groove, and is on dundage so it doesn’t get wet when I use the hose.

What the hell is dundage?

 

[Sinatra]

I think it's actually dunnage. (Inexpensive shipping or packing material used to keep cargo in place)

If you have a table saw you could make your own crown molding with the left over material. Cut off both edges at an angle to fit the ceiling and wall. You can create a coved profile by running the boards diagonally across the table saw blade. It will take a few passes.

 

[Sinatra]

Great work on the patio. It's nice to have covered outdoor space.

 

[ive]

What the hell is dundage?

2x4s underneath or what’s available.

 

[ive]

I’m

I think it's actually dunnage. (Inexpensive shipping or packing material used to keep cargo in place)

If you have a table saw you could make your own crown molding with the left over material. Cut off both edges at an angle to fit the ceiling and wall. You can create a coved profile by running the boards diagonally across the table saw blade. It will take a few passes.

sorry for the bad grammar.

I’ll look at YouTube for some ideas about doing my own. Thank you very much.

 

[ive]

Great work on the patio. It's nice to have covered outdoor space.

Thank you. Happy wife, happy life.

 

[ive]

Any other ideas much appreciated

 

[manwithtools]

If you have a table saw you could make your own crown molding with the left over material. Cut off both edges at an angle to fit the ceiling and wall. You can create a coved profile by running the boards diagonally across the table saw blade. It will take a few passes.

While this suggestion will work, it's a tedious and slow process, subject to multiple issues if you don't take the time to set it up properly. It can also leave a varied surface finish quality. See if you can find someone in your area that offers custom molding, they would be able to make crown out of cedar to match your ceiling. It won't be cheap, but it may be the best option in the long run.

 

[FMB4]

I'd also consider vinyl C molding.

 

[ive]

While this suggestion will work, it's a tedious and slow process, subject to multiple issues if you don't take the time to set it up properly. It can also leave a varied surface finish quality. See if you can find someone in your area that offers custom molding, they would be able to make crown out of cedar to match your ceiling. It won't be cheap, but it may be the best option in the long run.

Yes. It’s either labour intensive or there doesn’t seemto be a cheap option that I’m coming across

 

[ive]

I'd also consider vinyl C molding.

Hi. Could I beg on your patience and ask for a photo of vinyl c moulding in tat application. I can’t see it working.

thank you.

 

[manwithtools]

Where in Canada are you? Finding a woodworker with a Foley Bellsaw planer molder with the right molding knives could work as well. Try posting a question looking for that on the Sawmill Creek web site. It's a pretty good crowd there, you might find someone close by that would be willing to help for a case of beer or some legal tender

 

[Half-fast eddie]

Rip the boards to about 3” and use a router to mill a bead on one edge. It doesn’t need to be angled like true crown, think of it as baseboard against the ceiling.

 

[ive]

Where in Canada are you? Finding a woodworker with a Foley Bellsaw planer molder with the right molding knives could work as well. Try posting a question looking for that on the Sawmill Creek web site. It's a pretty good crowd there, you might find someone close by that would be willing to help for a case of beer or some legal tender

I’m in the greater Toronto area. I will go to the sawmill creek website. Be the best case of beer I’ve bought.

 

[ive]

Rip the boards to about 3” and use a router to mill a bead on one edge. It doesn’t need to be angled like true crown, think of it as baseboard against the ceiling.

This is nice and simple.

 

[FMB4]

Hi. Could I beg on your patience and ask for a photo of vinyl c moulding in tat application. I can’t see it working.

thank you.

Go to any Home Depot, or similar Canadian website. Such will very clearly show you what they have. It's very easy to install. Btw, it's spelled 'molding' not moulding. Have great day.

 

[captain14]

Rip the boards to about 3” and use a router to mill a bead on one edge. It doesn’t need to be angled like true crown, think of it as baseboard against the ceiling.

I like that idea. Simple and the trim isn’t too expensive. Practice on a few pieces of scrap and use both sides. Get the boss to pick out the shape she prefers.

Be proud of your project. It looks good in the photos. And think of sitting in the shade in the summertime with your cold Drink.

 

[PassnThru]

Honestly - your boards don't look to be very long so you are going to have a lot of joints. Since you seem to be going with a natural, or at least a stain theme here then those joints are really going to stand out even if you cut them perfectly. Buying crown will give you much longer pieces - at the very least double the length you have in that pile and that means fewer joints. If you don't plan to paint them then it's going to be tough getting a good look out of so many short pieces since the natural tone of each board is going to differ quite a bit.

 

[brownbagg]

just nail a 1x4 and call it done

 

[The Cobbler]

Btw, it's spelled 'molding' not moulding. Have great day.

Moulding is the “Old World” version of the spelling and molding finds itself exclusive to usage in the United States among woodworkers and carpentry businesses. Some US-based businesses or woodworking professionals might opt to go with the moulding spelling just for variety or differentiation.

 

[CraigStu]

There are many styles of crown molding and most are fastened to both the ceiling and the wall. The one problem I think you will have is it would be a lot of trouble to fasten it to the brick wall so you need to choose a style that can be fastened to the ceiling only. I am thinking of something like a pair of 1x2s or 1x3s fastened together prior to putting them up so you see the whole vertical one that will be against the brick and a portion of the horizontal one will be covered. You can install it with a screw or nail into the ceiling right at the joint. Then go back and fill in the angle some w/ a simple trim like a 1/4 round or something a little fancier depending on your taste.

 

[yeldogt]

Are you leaving it natural ?

If so you will want to make it out of the same material. Cedar and the brick are both casual materials -- you don't want to be sticking anything too traditional up there. Also - the open side does not have a lot of wall space -- anything wide is going to make that strip narrow.

I would use the material you have and do a simple chamfer on the edge --- it will match the v grove in the ceiling and hide the gaps along the edge. Rip a couple widths and see what looks best -- my guess narrow vs wide.

 

[ive]

Hi everyone. Thank you all very much for the guidance.

Wife found some mounding she likes.

Its poplar and it comes in long lengths.

I’m thinking of fastening it to the ceder ceiling with a 16g nailer, and am also thinking of fastening the brick side with tapcon. Pre drilling, then putting a tapcon in amd covering it with wood dowels.

Also will the wood crack easily because it’s winter while I’m working with it?

what do you guys think of this plan?

Input greatly appreciated as always.

 

[Inventive1]

There are several ways to attach the crown molding to the brick. The first method is to install a built up crown mold. To do this, use a router and cut some kind of decorative edge on a board. (Or use some colonial style base board turned upside down.) Then attach the board vertically to the brick. The bottom of the board should be slightly below the bottom of the crown mold with the routed edge showing. By doing this the tapcons that hold the board to the wall can be behind the crown molding and be out of sight. Then the crown molding can be nailed to the board that was just installed and nailed to the ceiling.

The second option is to place a board behind the crown molding. Attach the board to the wall and then nail the crown into this board. The backing board will need to be rip cut. Looking at the end of the board, the backing board will be shaped similar to a triangle. This option is nearly as much work as the previous option, but it doesn't look as good to my eyes!

Since the crown will not be the same wood as the ceiling, it may be wise to finish it in a contrasting color. Perhaps paint it some shade of white. Perhaps it could be painted to match other trim on the building, such as the shutters, etc.

 

[rayra]

used blocks of 2x4, cut to size and beveled to back up the top edge of your crown and temp blocks hot glued on the brick face as a third hand. Space the high blocks every 2-4' (whatever you think is appropriate) and set the crown on the helper block at one end, buck it tight in the middle to a beveled block and nail it on, then work outward to the ends. This will ensure even fitment and now need for marking or string and makes it an easier one-man job, if you don't have help.

Prefinish your corwn before mounting and that will just lead minor touchips once it is in the air.

 

[PCustoms]

I’m thinking of fastening it to the ceder ceiling with a 16g nailer, and am also thinking of fastening the brick side with tapcon. Pre drilling, then putting a tapcon in amd covering it with wood dowels.

Also will the wood crack easily because it’s winter while I’m working with it?

what do you guys think of this plan?

Input greatly appreciated as always.

How big is the molding?

The nails and maybe a few spots of wood glue along the cedar and/or construction adhesive on the brick should be plenty. Unless it is some massive molding.

Tapcon will likely crack it. Nails and glue should be fine.

 

[ive]

Thanks guys. Just waiting on my wife to choose between the samples.

Again, thank you very much.