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[finn]

The Deere 4010 was a row crop tractor, weighing around 7000+ lbs, and two wheel drive. It’s a beast, not in the class of a modern, highly maneuverable, 25-50 hp 4wd CUT that weighs in the order of 3000-5000 lbs .

 

[Firebrick43]

The Deere 4010 was a row crop tractor, weighing around 7000+ lbs, and two wheel drive. It’s a beast, not in the class of a modern, highly maneuverable, 25-50 hp 4wd CUT that weighs in the order of 3000-5000 lbs .

I highly doubt it looses much to a 4wd CUT in maneuverability. 4wd (except the double jointed NH boomers) really puts the kebosh on wheel turn and therefore turning circles ****. My 53 hp 2020 was just as maneuverable as a neighbors 25hp SCUT john deere 2520 that weighs a 3rd the weight. Also, unless talking about loader work, weight is king when it comes to traction. And no 50 hp tractor is going to pull a batwing like he was talking about. My 53 hp is maxed out with an 8' bushhog.

I sure hope it weights more than 7000 lbs. My old john deere A weighed that much and my 2020 is ballasted to 9500 or so.

Also the New generation tractors had closed center hydraulics which is a big plus compared to all the modern sub 100 hp tractors with open center hydraulics.

 

[finn]

I highly doubt it looses much to a 4wd CUT in maneuverability. 4wd (except the double jointed NH boomers) really puts the kebosh on wheel turn and therefore turning circles ****. My 53 hp 2020 was just as maneuverable as a neighbors 25hp SCUT john deere 2520 that weighs a 3rd the weight. Also, unless talking about loader work, weight is king when it comes to traction. And no 50 hp tractor is going to pull a batwing like he was talking about. My 53 hp is maxed out with an 8' bushhog.

I sure hope it weights more than 7000 lbs. My old john deere A weighed that much and my 2020 is ballasted to 9500 or so.

Also the New generation tractors had closed center hydraulics which is a big plus compared to all the modern sub 100 hp tractors with open center hydraulics.

The old tractors are large, bulky, and crude compared to the modern CUT variants.

They’re a product of a bygone era.

 

[Firebrick43]

The old tractors are large, bulky, and crude compared to the modern CUT variants.

You might want to look at a new generation JD and then go down to the dealer and compare. The new tractors have a lot that is a step backward. The 3 point hitch arms, the hydraulics, and the steering system are superior in the older tractors. And if you get away from the 10 and early 20 series electrics they are not bad either. Some of the 20 series like mine even had quick attach loaders. The loaders did lack SSQA or JD quick bucket changes but can be added.

The powershift and syncroshift transmissions, especially on the console models was very nice, even compared to new ones. I don't care for hydrostat transmissions for anything but loader work(an advantage to some on the newer tractors) and a syncroshift makes even that enjoyable as the 2/5/2R gate is about perfect and quickly shifted without issue.

And as for being big and bulky. OK, still they have similar turning circles to much smaller 4wd tractors. They are more stable due to width and length and a much smoother ride. The extra iron means durability. The engines were much less stressed. It was not at all uncommon for the JD diesels in the 20/30/40 series to make it 10,000 hours before overhaul. I have seen some as high as 14,000

And the big thing, the whole mention of said size tractors was in reply to bat wing mowers. Show me a CUT that can handle a batwing?

 

[finn]

His original post includes the requirements for a snow blower and no twisting backwards , presumably because of limited mobility. That prett much rules out a row crop tractor, as they don’t have readily available front blowers.

A CUT and skid/CTL would be common options, and maybe a Toolcat.

They also have mower options.

 

[Firebrick43]

His original post includes the requirements for a snow blower and no twisting backwards , presumably because of limited mobility. That prett much rules out a row crop tractor, as they don’t have readily available front blowers.

A CUT and skid/CTL would be common options, and maybe a Toolcat.

They also have mower options.

its easy to mount a blower on the front of a row crop tractor.


Erskin universal front mount blower.

 

[jrsavoie]

I highly doubt it looses much to a 4wd CUT in maneuverability. 4wd (except the double jointed NH boomers) really puts the kebosh on wheel turn and therefore turning circles ****. My 53 hp 2020 was just as maneuverable as a neighbors 25hp SCUT john deere 2520 that weighs a 3rd the weight. Also, unless talking about loader work, weight is king when it comes to traction. And no 50 hp tractor is going to pull a batwing like he was talking about. My 53 hp is maxed out with an 8' bushhog.

I sure hope it weights more than 7000 lbs. My old john deere A weighed that much and my 2020 is ballasted to 9500 or so.

Also the New generation tractors had closed center hydraulics which is a big plus compared to all the modern sub 100 hp tractors with open center hydraulics.

His original post includes the requirements for a snow blower and no twisting backwards , presumably because of limited mobility. That prett much rules out a row crop tractor, as they don’t have readily available front blowers.

A CUT and skid/CTL would be common options, and maybe a Toolcat.

They also have mower options.

My first requirement is a skid loader. If I can get it with a heated cab and snowblower, I can get rid of the. Toro 325D.

We have a 223D that is our favorite for mowing. But it is not good for ditches or heavy. Anything.

We need to replace the JD 400 garden tractor to mow the short grass ditches, tow little trailers, seeders ans such stuff around.

We need to keep the 1963 JD 4010 for the field cultivator and 8 ft. Rototiller. I would need quite the compact tractor to replace that.

I have decided it would probably be better to get another bush hog for the 4010 unless I find a skid loader that has one that comes with it.

I will also stay away from anything with a timing belt

 

[jrsavoie]

its easy to mount a blower on the front of a row crop tractor.


Erskin universal front mount blower.

Except my old 4010 doesn't have a heated cab.

 

[jrsavoie]

The old tractors are large, bulky, and crude compared to the modern CUT variants.

They’re a product of a bygone era.

Not so much, they are still used a lot on small acreages. I have a 2-1/2 acre plot a big machine can't turn around in.

 

[jrsavoie]

His original post includes the requirements for a snow blower and no twisting backwards , presumably because of limited mobility. That prett much rules out a row crop tractor, as they don’t have readily available front blowers.

A CUT and skid/CTL would be common options, and maybe a Toolcat.

They also have mower options.

That and I already have the row crop tractor. If'n I was looking for a row crop, I'd just go out to the shed.

 

[jrsavoie]

I highly doubt it looses much to a 4wd CUT in maneuverability. 4wd (except the double jointed NH boomers) really puts the kebosh on wheel turn and therefore turning circles ****. My 53 hp 2020 was just as maneuverable as a neighbors 25hp SCUT john deere 2520 that weighs a 3rd the weight. Also, unless talking about loader work, weight is king when it comes to traction. And no 50 hp tractor is going to pull a batwing like he was talking about. My 53 hp is maxed out with an 8' bushhog.

I sure hope it weights more than 7000 lbs. My old john deere A weighed that much and my 2020 is ballasted to 9500 or so.

Also the New generation tractors had closed center hydraulics which is a big plus compared to all the modern sub 100 hp tractors with open center hydraulics.

I'm thinking a 14,000 lb. GVWR trailer was needed to tote the 4010. I've never weighed it.
This says 7,100 but that seems light. Even if it is correct, you still have weights and fluid and fuel on top of that.

John Deere 4010

TractorData.com John Deere 4010 tractor information

www.tractordata.com

 

[Firebrick43]

Except my old 4010 doesn't have a heated cab.

The still have heat houses for them.

 

[jrsavoie]

The still have heat houses for them.

Yep I have a cab. The windows are in the shed. If I found a bargain on a snowblower. I might consider heating it. Then I would have to have AC as well.

 

[Firebrick43]

Yep I have a cab. The windows are in the shed. If I found a bargain on a snowblower. I might consider heating it. Then I would have to have AC as well.

O, well the heater part is easy. The AC not impossible but not easy/cheap like the heater.

A cab with windows and no AC is a bad combo in the heat. even if opened.

 

[jrsavoie]

I never really paid attention if the cab was ever heated or meant to be.

Less time to just use the Toro with the heated cab. We don't have to move enough snow to justify a huge snowblower.

That is the first I've seen the front mount snowblowers for a row crop. Everybody around here backed up.

 

[Firebrick43]

Also I forgot earlier. I don't know exactly how much snow you get but they do make drive foward 3 point blowers. Erskine again.




They actually work very well if under 20 inches with a 4020 size tractor, and leave the loader on.

 

[jrsavoie]

Also I forgot earlier. I don't know exactly how much snow you get but they do make drive foward 3 point blowers. Erskine again.




They actually work very well if under 20 inches with a 4020 size tractor, and leave the loader on.

I'll be dogged. I never saw one of those either.

We don't get enough snow here anymore to justify something like that.

That can change any year though.

 

[zkdiesel]

So here’s 6 machines that I’ve owned this year. The little ls170 went down the road for 16.5 minus a door but new engine. Would run a blower and do most things you need but on smaller side of lift capacity(still more than small bobcats your looking at)

The 465 is a shot beater that’s unfixable

The two wheel machines I use for snow and are both valued near 20 currently. Have heat and doors, no Ac and are mechanically and cosmetically almost perfect

Two track machines, well they are just money pits

 

[NBraun]

So here’s 6 machines that I’ve owned this year. The little ls170 went down the road for 16.5 minus a door but new engine. Would run a blower and do most things you need but on smaller side of lift capacity(still more than small bobcats your looking at)

The 465 is a shot beater that’s unfixable

The two wheel machines I use for snow and are both valued near 20 currently. Have heat and doors, no Ac and are mechanically and cosmetically almost perfect

Two track machines, well they are just money pits

ZK, you must have some experience with them, considering you've owned 6 in one year. Not to hijack the thread but I figured it'd be worth asking.

I'm looking for an acreage machine. I've been borrowing a 743 and like it. I do all my own maintenance and work, so i'm fine with an older machine. Budget is 12,000, so it will be older and a wheeled machine. Intended use is dirt work, moving snow, using a post hole auger, a grapple, and other misc acreage things. Maybe a tiller? I Won't be trying to hook up a brush hog or something like that to it.

What should I be looking for?

I'm not 100% sold on a skid steer, I've been looking at smaller tractors as well, but leaning towards a skidsteer.

 

[finn]

Don’t expect much for $12k.

I would up the budget by 50%, or maybe double even for a tight, used machine with sound hydraulics, including the hoses.

I sold my little 2005 Deere about four years ago, for $10k. I thought it was a fair price at the same time, since that’s what I paid ten years earlier, but I see machines with double the hours now for 50% above that.

Small equipment is in high demand, and inventory is low.

 

[HoosierMark]

You might want to check out a bobcat toolcat. It might be more then you want to pay but it sounds like it would fill a lot of the needs you have. I have found that while the initial cost is important the value the machine holds is the real test. I have a bobcat I bought about 15 years ago that is worth more than I paid for it by about 20 %. Not as good as the stock market but a heck of a lot better than car or truck.

 

[csp]

I'll be dogged. I never saw one of those either.

We don't get enough snow here anymore to justify something like that.

That can change any year though.

But you can justify a skid steer with an enclosed cab and a snowblower?

Just my observation, but you're all over the board as far as what you have, making what you have work and what you want.

Installing the windows into the 4010 cab and suddenly it needs to be heated and air conditioned, for example. Put on a pair of insulated coveralls in the winter. You'll have plenty of engine heat coming in the cab as well. Remove the windows in the summer and you're back to where you are now and no longer need air conditioning.

 

[finn]

Front blower, heated cab, tight turning radius.

Someone posted that four wheel drive CUTs have a large turning radius.

I don’t know where that misinformation comes from. My Kioti 40 hp compact (CK4010) has hydraulic steering, (rotary hydraulic steering valve) and a very tight steering radius, with the rams ( tie rods) mounted right up against the axle so they don’t impede wheel cut.

I guess maybe some of the older model Kubota may still have recirculating ball steering and the tie rod, but that’s not the norm as far as I can tell.

 

[Jarwop]

You might look at used skid steer auction results such as purplewave ( https://www.purplewave.com/search/?...ge=50&grouped=true&viewtype=compressed&page=1) to get an idea how much a machine is worth. The link should be most skidsteers sold in 2021 & 2022 under $10K.

Just as with tractors, determing what local dealer support is available is important. Buying brand X skidsteer when there is no local support could be a problem. Maybe ask around for an indepentent mechanic who could work on a brand you might consider purchasing.

Also as stated, skid steers are hard on the body, hard to enter and exit, and depending on what you are doing they beat you up a lot.

>> "Bobcat with duetz diesel have timin belts and routinely crash the valves" These timing belts should be replaced about every 4000 hours run time. Just as a car's that should be replacd at about 100,000 miles. They only create major damage if not maintained and break.

I have a Bobcat 873 (big old wheeled skid steer), but i repair and do maintenance myself. As with any older machine, repairs can be expensive if you must pay someone else to do it.

Additional source to get information is " http://www.skidsteerforum.com/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=54&frmView=Search&searchText=Deutz Stop "

Tracked maching has many advantages, but replacement tracks could be $3-4K, New tires $1600. I have bought used tires (50%) worn in the $50-$100 range (each).

Good luck in finding a solution to your needs.