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Shiftless

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I saw it when I did some quick searches to confirm my hunch and to see if there were any others on the thread without the "HOLLANDS" branding. It's a beaut, Shifty.
Thanks
I bought it at a rural flea market in northern Missouri years ago when we were visiting my cousin in southern Iowa. It was filthy and had many coats of paint on it. I had a hunch it had been brazed but after some negotiation, at 8 bucks, I hauled it back to CA. I stripped off the paint and chose to keep it bare, wearing its repair history with pride.

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Well, I finally got the Charles Parker No. 975 I picked in March cleaned up and put back together. This is a good example of when form and function come together to create a tool capable of doing the job at hand and being pleasing to the eye. It was missing the wrench and the only No. 3 wrench I've seen on ebay got snapped up before I woke that day. Thanks to GJ user elidas for the 15/16" Billings wrench!! Man, I LOVE THIS VISE! Does anyone have a pic of the clip that goes on the swivel lock nut to keep the wrench in place? I'd like to try to get as close to the original clip as I can. Thanks!
Texas, Parker made theirs out of spring wire. Measure the groove's minor diameter and find a spring at your local hardware store in those pull drawers with different compression spring sizes close to size or a little smaller. The wire diameter can also be measured from your lockdown. Basically they used spring wire that is called music wire in the machinist trade and is pliable enough to bend but heat treated to spring temper to hold it's shape. I made one for a Parker 22 and it worked fine.
 

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That's an amazing score. How did you pick it up so cheap?
I bought it off an estate liquidator. He probably didn’t knew what it was, since the brandings have been grinded off at some point, unfortunately.

he just listed it as „old vice“ and I just happened to browse for the right thing at the right time.

I am, however, did have to drive 750 miles to pick it up and bring it home.
 

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Found a honey hole for 4” Starrett vises today.
 

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Found a honey hole for 4” Starrett vises.
That's it? That's all you got three 4" Starrett vises? :eek::p:bowdown: Smitty You ****! I say that with great admiration! I've never come across an Athol or a Starrett vise in the wild. Yet.
 
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Well, I finally got the Charles Parker No. 975 I picked in March cleaned up and put back together. This is a good example of when form and function come together to create a tool capable of doing the job at hand and being pleasing to the eye. It was missing the wrench and the only No. 3 wrench I've seen on ebay got snapped up before I woke that day. Thanks to GJ user elidas for the 15/16" Billings wrench!! Man, I LOVE THIS VISE! Does anyone have a pic of the clip that goes on the swivel lock nut to keep the wrench in place? I'd like to try to get as close to the original clip as I can. Thanks!

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Here's a look at one clip but I'm not sure for what model. ---I believe you could make one by cutting one ring out of a spring of the right size. ---Just a thought.


 

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I was curious if anyone had any information on the differences between Bison Bial FPU reversed bench vises.

I was off looking at a rusty one that was forsale and noticed that the casting and handle was different from the ones I had seen. With a bit of research it looked like there were at least three versions.

The first one is a Hi-Test import from my work bench.. It is stamped as a model 327 on the fixed jaw. But it also has FPU on the casting and is also stamped PJBd-4" on the moving jaw. Hi-Test was a tool importer in the 1960s. Note the casting where the three dovetail adjustment screws are located is straight. The handle also has round stops forged in the ends of it.

The second photo was posted by GJ member "1foxracing" in 2014 on this thread. Note the photo has the same straight casting but the handle ends are now swagged flat. Yost changed to that style for their older military contract vises. Not very pretty but probably cheaper.

The third photo was also posted by GJ member "1foxracing" in 2014 on this thread. Note the photo the casting has changed to have three bosses where the gib adjustment screws are located. The handle ends are still swagged flat.

Does any further information on the different FPU vise variations or what order they were produced?

Thanks
 

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The long drought has ended - 3.5" Wilton Shop King. From an emergency garage sale today - the Previous Owner suddenly passed away and the family was trying to clean out the apartment in just a few days. Really dirty and lots of coats of paint. Missing the pipe jaws, and has an inch missing under one of the jaw supports. Also the handle must have really annoyed someone!.

Pics at - Flickr - Shop King 3.5"

As I sort-of have more time being recently retired - basic plan will be to clean, probably paint, and rehome at some point this summer

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I was curious if anyone had any information on the differences between Bison Bial FPU reversed bench vises.

I was off looking at a rusty one that was forsale and noticed that the casting and handle was different from the ones I had seen. With a bit of research it looked like there were at least three versions.

The first one is a Hi-Test import from my work bench.. It is stamped as a model 327 on the fixed jaw. But it also has FPU on the casting and is also stamped PJBd-4" on the moving jaw. Hi-Test was a tool importer in the 1960s. Note the casting where the three dovetail adjustment screws are located is straight. The handle also has round stops forged in the ends of it.

The second photo was posted by GJ member "1foxracing" in 2014 on this thread. Note the photo has the same straight casting but the handle ends are now swagged flat. Yost changed to that style for their older military contract vises. Not very pretty but probably cheaper.

The third photo was also posted by GJ member "1foxracing" in 2014 on this thread. Note the photo the casting has changed to have three bosses where the gib adjustment screws are located. The handle ends are still swagged flat.

Does any further information on the different FPU vise variations or what order they were produced?

Thanks


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Bison Bial used two distinct castings. Not only are the sides different, but they also removed some of the material between "levels" - this is best seen when the vises are turn upside down. I have used the terms "open" and "closed" to differentiate between these to forms.

The open castings weigh less than the closed ones. The difference between the 150mm models is in the 5-6lb range

Not sure of the when and why, but many of the FPU made vises are date stamped, so a "Wilton Dating ..." like thread would probably be the best tool to find out the when of what went on here.

Just my .02 ¢

JKB
 

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Well, I finally got the Charles Parker No. 975 I picked in March cleaned up and put back together. This is a good example of when form and function come together to create a tool capable of doing the job at hand and being pleasing to the eye. It was missing the wrench and the only No. 3 wrench I've seen on ebay got snapped up before I woke that day. Thanks to GJ user elidas for the 15/16" Billings wrench!! Man, I LOVE THIS VISE! Does anyone have a pic of the clip that goes on the swivel lock nut to keep the wrench in place? I'd like to try to get as close to the original clip as I can. Thanks!

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Parker was issued two patents for these "captive wrench" nuts.

#1763021 to L.L. Turner 10 Jun 1930, found here:


and

#1778576 to P.H.D. Walker, 14 October, 1930 found here:


JKB
 
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The first one is a Hi-Test import from my work bench.. It is stamped as a model 327 on the fixed jaw. But it also has FPU on the casting and is also stamped PJBd-4" on the moving jaw. Hi-Test was a tool importer in the 1960s. Note the casting where the three dovetail adjustment screws are located is straight. The handle also has round stops forged in the ends of it.
PJDb is the Polish type designation according to the PN-61/M02814 standard. As for changes in the shape of the end of the handle and the molding of the jaw - the only way to find out is to compare the appropriate number of vices and known production dates. Unfortunately, in FPU / Bison Biał they do not attach much importance to keeping information about the production - I did not manage to get information about the models from the 90s, so the chances of getting information about vices which production ended at the turn of the 70s and 80s are less likely.
 

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I bought it off an estate liquidator. He probably didn’t knew what it was, since the brandings have been grinded off at some point, unfortunately.

he just listed it as „old vice“ and I just happened to browse for the right thing at the right time.

I am, however, did have to drive 750 miles to pick it up and bring it home.
For 750 miles, they could have kept the vise! lol
 

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The final find of the year. This is a patent pending Wilton baby bullet vise with the raised anvil. I really like the 80 year old patina.
 

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Another great addition to the Smitty baby bullet line up. It never ceases to amaze me at all of the original paint babys that seem to find their way to your shelves. 🍻
Thanks Shift, I really go out of my way to find these original paint beauties.
 

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Guys,
I like treating my old vintage vises with BLO. I'm wondering what is the best thing to remove BLO on a vise with the thought of painting it? Thanks!
 

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...what if you wanted to remove the BLO anyway? What are the best methods?
I get scolded every time I recommend gasoline when this comes up, so I'll recommend a less flammable solvent, such as turpentine, instead (but we used the heck out gasoline as a solvent in the Army and I still do because it works great!) :) Small steel and cast iron parts were often coated in BLO for long term storage. Some of it was never wiped off and parts were congealed in it. A solvent will cut right through it, Tex.
 

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Gasoline works great.

I don't know why you get scolded.
We are all grown ups here.....
Aren't we?

Just put out your stogie and all should be good
 

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Lugz My father and his two older brothers were all in the service and I think they used gasoline to remove anything. Probably where they got it and why my own thought was "gasoline would surely work" but wanted to hear from the experts here. Thanks!
 

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Just don't do what a neighbor did many years ago: Cleaning parts in his driveway with gasoline, (and an open 5 gallon Jerry can next to it) and the breeze blew the fumes into his garage - the water hearer pilot light set it off and his entire driveway and part of the garage was on fire... (Jerry can knocked over and burning gas was pouring down the drive)

I grabbed my big 25 lb CO2 extinguisher, sprinted over there and managed to pit it out.
 

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PJWk80, 125 and 150 are. For a set of Polish table vices from the late 1970s and early 1980s, the PJWk100 is not present.
 

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Just don't do what a neighbor did many years ago: Cleaning parts in his driveway with gasoline, (and an open 5 gallon Jerry can next to it) and the breeze blew the fumes into his garage - the water hearer pilot light set it off and his entire driveway and part of the garage was on fire... (Jerry can knocked over and burning gas was pouring down the drive)

I grabbed my big 25 lb CO2 extinguisher, sprinted over there and managed to pit it out.

Thanks for sharing that story, Outlaw. Sounds to me like you really saved the day for your neighbor.
A retired R.N. I know worked many years in a burn unit. On of the patients she cared for got burned over 90% of his body after he caught fire while cleaning motorcycle parts with gasoline in his kitchen. Kitchen had a stove with a standing pilot light. He lived for a day or 2 after that.

BTW, I noticed your traditional New Year’s Day baby avatar. 🍻
 

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One of the great disappointments from Washington this year is that Congress didn’t get around to passing legislation prohibiting Smitty from scooping up all the good vises.

But I love this thread and read every posting ng.
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