Heavy equipment trailer Q?
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Find out what weight can you legally register/license as a u-built. Rules vary by jurisdiction. No sense in buying much more axle capacity than that. I like prefer 8-lug axles for wheel interchangeability with my trucks, but 6-lug can still keep you in a 16" wheel. You may even consider running only 2 axles instead of 3.
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I was wondering about removing an axle too. This would be a lot of work, plus currently no way to load/unload, seller is asking $1500 but I said $1000 tops in this condition, needs (6) rims/tires.
rancherbill
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Removing an axle gets into remounting the springs so you maintain 60/40 weight distribution. Just leaving it off would be a "Inspection Magnet for the cops".
What are you going to carry. 6000# axles give you 18,000
What are you going to carry. 6000# axles give you 18,000
Over 10k GVWR trailer technically requires a CDL if you are over 26k...
So an 18k trailer would need under 8k truck towing it... so a 1/2 ton, maybe a few older 3/4 tons.
That being said, it'd probably just be a DOT Lucifer having a bad day situation.
So an 18k trailer would need under 8k truck towing it... so a 1/2 ton, maybe a few older 3/4 tons.
That being said, it'd probably just be a DOT Lucifer having a bad day situation.
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In my jurisdiction, the 10k# threshold applies for the DL too. Plus, they don't allow u-built anymore beyond that weight.
10k# however would suit me fine. If that looks feasible, jam two 8-lug axles under there to move it. Remount the axles after, or take some length off it.
10k# however would suit me fine. If that looks feasible, jam two 8-lug axles under there to move it. Remount the axles after, or take some length off it.
Must be the angle of the picture, looked like it needs more than six tires and rims.
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Rental skid steer/excavator are around 6500 lbs each, 2000 F350 is about 8000 lbs......
rancherbill
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All these comments about licensing make sense.
My take is look to see if there's an old registration or license and see what was licensed.
Get big axles, it's worth more when you resell. Putting small axles will not give you a decent net weight, because that looks like a stout heavy frame trailer.
My take is look to see if there's an old registration or license and see what was licensed.
Get big axles, it's worth more when you resell. Putting small axles will not give you a decent net weight, because that looks like a stout heavy frame trailer.
OP
I priced (3) 7k axles @ $2575 for the lot. I called the county about homemade trailer and forgot to ask about max trailer weight limits.
csp
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A 2000 F350 has a higher GVWR than 8000 lbs, more like 10k+. My 97 F250 has a GVWR of 8800.
It's the rating that matters, not how much the truck actually weighs.
Bigblue&Goldie
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How long is the tongue on that trailer?
Personally, I'm not sure how much of a "deal" that trailer will end up at by the time you get all new axles, springs, hanger hardware, tires, wheels, brakes, etc. It might also need ramps (can't tell).
I second the notion of looking into the weight rating and its effect on registration.
Personally, I'm not sure how much of a "deal" that trailer will end up at by the time you get all new axles, springs, hanger hardware, tires, wheels, brakes, etc. It might also need ramps (can't tell).
I second the notion of looking into the weight rating and its effect on registration.
Skyking1992
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Over 10,000 pound trailer or 26000 pound combo never, by itself, requires a CDL. Those weights do require a CDL if used in commerce. Your wife can drive a peterbuilt to get groceries if she wishes. Some states, but not all, do require a class A, non commercial license (not a CDL, but close) at some point.
With regard to the trailer, if you have to buy three new axles and do the labor, I think you might be better off buying new. Just my $.02 worth.
With regard to the trailer, if you have to buy three new axles and do the labor, I think you might be better off buying new. Just my $.02 worth.
nadogail
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I missed: What are you going to haul, What will be the gross weight of the trailer and cargo, and what will you be pulling it with?
Steve from Socal
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I have a two axle equipment trailer that is listed as 17K gross. Like that trailer it has outboard fenders, they greatly limit what you can haul. I think for an all options trailer I would get a deckover trailer. That doesn't look like the frame is particular beefy either.
My 2005 Ram 3500 SRW lost a piston and was too wide to fit on the trailer. These type of trailers are designed for tractors/backhoes etc. It is a PIA to load pallets as well because of the edge on the deck. Unless you actually need the extra height of that type of trailer it is not a great choice.
Steve
My 2005 Ram 3500 SRW lost a piston and was too wide to fit on the trailer. These type of trailers are designed for tractors/backhoes etc. It is a PIA to load pallets as well because of the edge on the deck. Unless you actually need the extra height of that type of trailer it is not a great choice.
Steve
that looks like some heavy springs on there. you might measure the spindles of the axles to get an idea of what they are.plus maybe you can get by with new bearings & hubs/drums instead of buying new axles for the 2 that are on it
sweetk30
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Hope there is a title or transferable registration with that trailer . In my state new your if it had a vin even on a home made you need that paper work or if you try and do a new homemade on it and they can tell it had one before or was a pro built trailer you loose it bye bye .
Just the local inspection lot by me has 3 to scrap out for the state cause people tried to get a new vin with scamming the system .
Have you checked to see if the trailer axles and parts are in stock ? Lot of places right now show prices and are not in stock or limited qty .
I built a 12k 2 axle last winter so i have been down this road . I got lucky and found 2 matched take out axles local and for a DEAL .
Another thing is empty weight . I had a nice beefy trailer like that i wanted to fix up but it was 3+ ton just by its self .
Good luck .
Just the local inspection lot by me has 3 to scrap out for the state cause people tried to get a new vin with scamming the system .
Have you checked to see if the trailer axles and parts are in stock ? Lot of places right now show prices and are not in stock or limited qty .
I built a 12k 2 axle last winter so i have been down this road . I got lucky and found 2 matched take out axles local and for a DEAL .
Another thing is empty weight . I had a nice beefy trailer like that i wanted to fix up but it was 3+ ton just by its self .
Good luck .
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dirtyjerzy
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Belshe makes trailers similar to that one, they are for transporting directional drilling machines used for utility replacement.
Ive got a bit of a trailer fetish, I have a Belshe 3 axle deck over trailer, the axles are rated at 6k each but they seem heavier duty than 7k axles used on the more common name trailer manufacturers.
Ive got a bit of a trailer fetish, I have a Belshe 3 axle deck over trailer, the axles are rated at 6k each but they seem heavier duty than 7k axles used on the more common name trailer manufacturers.
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In Texas no weight limit for a home built trailer, but over a certain weight does require an annual inspection. If I had an easy way to remove from their property this might be an ok project but I don't. Repairing the rusty axles onsite would a pain but not impossible.
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It's GCVWR, not actual weight.
I haul my skid steer on my truck. It's about 9-10k. Truck is 19,000 gvwr.
You can't run around in a semi truck "getting groceries" without a B or A license.
OP
I emailed Belshe some pics and they think it's an older T2 Belshe trailer. They also told me where to find a vin number.
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Steve from Socal
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dirtyjerzy
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Thats a badass toter
NWOhioChevyGuy
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I scored a gooseneck trailer for $500 with three old worn out axles on it a few years back.
Placed 2 new 7000# brake axles under it and have not looked back. Sourced from a trailer surplus outfit in MI, near the trailer build mecca of the Midwest, Northern Indiana.
I still need to rework the fenders as they are quite rough, but functional.
Easy to title here in MI even without a title to transfer.
Placed 2 new 7000# brake axles under it and have not looked back. Sourced from a trailer surplus outfit in MI, near the trailer build mecca of the Midwest, Northern Indiana.
I still need to rework the fenders as they are quite rough, but functional.
Easy to title here in MI even without a title to transfer.
rancherbill
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That solves many problems, and maybe you can get the missing parts with having to get total new axles.
dirtyjerzy
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You need to fix 1 axle to bring it home.
OP
Yup, but I can't work on it where it sits now.
rancherbill
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What about an ordinary tow truck with dolly wheels. It would work to get it home. There's always cheap towing companies, like the ones that pick up scrap cars.
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csp
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That's applicable to the OP's state.
sweetk30
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New york has a RV AIR BRAKE endorsement now for driver license. Saw a guy get a ticket for it after a accident.
Steve from Socal
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In my post I merely noted that "many states" Don't have any requirements other than a standard drivers license. This is mainly due to the RV industry lobby RVIA. They want to sell as many RV's to as many folks as they can. While you need an endorsement or a class A/B exempt in some states, the ones that don't have reciprocity. That means Uncle Joe can buy a giant motorhome or huge fifth wheel camper and go travelin.
I don't advocate that but it is what it is. Pretty scary when you think about it.
Steve
rockinacummins
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In Oklahoma, we have no trailer registration (yet) so no VIN/Title is needed.
As to weight rating (as posted above) if the Gross Combined Weight Rating (GCWR) of the tow vehicle AND the towed vehicle is over 26,001 pounds AND the Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) of the towed vehicle is over 10,000 pounds, a class A license is required. Of course there are several caveats to this rule. For example (in Oklahoma): if you have a farm tag, you are exempt from all commercial motor vehicle rules.
That trailer looks to me like it was built to haul a backhoe or something similar. If I were to buy it, I’d most likely change the springs, shorten the fenders, and put two 10k axles under it with some 16 or 18 ply 17.5” tires. It would be very nice behind my 10 wheeler dump truck for hauling a skid steer or even a backhoe. To me it’s a bargain at $1,000.
As to weight rating (as posted above) if the Gross Combined Weight Rating (GCWR) of the tow vehicle AND the towed vehicle is over 26,001 pounds AND the Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) of the towed vehicle is over 10,000 pounds, a class A license is required. Of course there are several caveats to this rule. For example (in Oklahoma): if you have a farm tag, you are exempt from all commercial motor vehicle rules.
That trailer looks to me like it was built to haul a backhoe or something similar. If I were to buy it, I’d most likely change the springs, shorten the fenders, and put two 10k axles under it with some 16 or 18 ply 17.5” tires. It would be very nice behind my 10 wheeler dump truck for hauling a skid steer or even a backhoe. To me it’s a bargain at $1,000.
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