New Build Garage Door Dilemma

[olytdi]

I have a new 36x36 pole building under way with 2) 10x10 bay doors planned. On one side of the building is a 12X36 lean-to, roof-only extension. The build pack specified some rather cheaply-made Wayne and Dalton 10X10 8200 series doors and the cost is $5400 installed. That's with no windows, no steel back, and with crappy Styrofoam insulation. The next (much) better door is the 8300 which has steel outside and inside and has expanded insulation and it's even a little less expensive. But with some glass across the top and high reach tracks, they're going to cost about $7000 installed and won't be available for 6 months if I buy them now. And that's if I go with white only! I'm seriously choking on the price and along with the increased costs of wood and steel for this project, these doors are budget busting.

I'm seriously considering sliders now but am uncertain how they would work. If you picture the building -- 36 ft wide and divide it into 3, 12 ft sections, the farthest right third and the center third each would have a 10X10 opening. The 12 section on the left third next to the lean-to will have only a window. The man door is from the side under the lean-to roof.

Clearly the center door slider can slide left across the face of the left third of the building where there is only a window with no issues. But what about the bay farthest to the right? Where would it slide to when opening?

I guess that I could redesign the whole thing and put the two bays each on the outside leaving the middle open but I'm not liking the look of that.

My last pole barn build (28X28) had a single bay along the far right side and had a slider that I didn't mind too much in terms of opening manually. But two doors next to each other presents a new problem.

I'm just looking for ideas at this point on how to get through this without spending $7K on doors that used to cost $3K and that I can't get for another half a year. Any input appreciated!

Thanks up front!

 

[PoorUB]

Call around to some door companies in the area and see what you can find out. Have the builder exclude the doors and pay the door company out of your pocket.

For two 10x10 doors for $5400 you should be able good quality, insulated doors installed.

 

[olytdi]

That's what I thought until all of the prices doubled!

Thanks for the input!

 

[jack stand]

It's a lot of work to make rolling (sliding) doors seal up tight and keep out the rodents. Not to mention the hardware and track is crazy priced these days also. For only a 10x10 opening, I'd hinge 2 5x10 doors before thinking about a rolling door, especially with your condition with doors opening over other doors.

 

[FredWanaker]

I have a cousin who had a door company. It was profitable for him to own a twin aircraft. I'd get another bid if I was unsure the price was competitive. There are real shortages, Acura owes me a repair part now for about 5 months. It is back ordered out to late April now.

 

[Zeke]

Temporary doors doors for now that have plywood that can be re-used later on for walls, a storage loft, etc. or corrugated steel — always some of that around.

Then look for used doors since you have the time on your side. Or wait for a mis-order. Put your name in at door companies for this. It will send 2 messages: 1) you aren't paying 8K for 2 doors, and 2) you aren't in a pinch so they can't take advantage of you.

Here's the thing, wait long enough and the coming depression will fix all this ******** inflation and shortages. People will soon enough be rolling out the red carpet for your business, if they are still in business.

Wait-for-the-other-shoe-to-drop. Be creative.

 

[firebirdparts]

I just got through buying new doors; I'm not really feeling the price. Maybe there's a reason for it, but I don't see it. The 10 by 10 is tall enough that it's not something that shows up on a big box store website with a price, but if everything you say is correct, I'd say spend the money on a double-walled door and install it yourself. Be aware they do remove some meat out of that double-walled door, FWIW, because the structure of it stiffens it. The skin will be thinner. So it's not entirely superior. But I'd buy it anyway if you like it. I think that a talented fifth grader could install the doors, and I think it's actually kinda fun. i mean if you'd play with an erector set, you can install a garage door.

You could also price it in a model 9605 and see if that's cheaper. At least price it in a "colonial" style (the cheapest). The outside design changes the price way more than going from single-wall to double-wall in my limited experience.

 

[olytdi]

Since door orders are backed up six months, there's no reason to move on anything right now -- I think that they want people to buy at crazy prices playing on their fear that the shortage will continue. Maybe it will but maybe it won't. The holes in the wall will be there regardless and they can be filled with something else in the next year. I've been trying to build this for 3 years so now that it's starting, I'm not liking the idea of further delays. But that's not in my control.

I am looking into sliders and how that might work and how much it would cost. I think I remember my builder saying something about it taking a day of labor and materials. I doubt that would come anything close to $7K but I don't know.

Weird times we live in.

 

[olytdi]

It's a lot of work to make rolling (sliding) doors seal up tight and keep out the rodents. Not to mention the hardware and track is crazy priced these days also. For only a 10x10 opening, I'd hinge 2 5x10 doors before thinking about a rolling door, especially with your condition with doors opening over other doors.

Jack, could you elaborate on hinged doors? It would seem to me that swinging doors of that size would be quite pricey. Do you mean frame them out and skin them with the steel siding with some trim? I'm not sure I'm understanding your idea.

 

[olytdi]

I just got through buying new doors; I'm not really feeling the price. Maybe there's a reason for it, but I don't see it. The 10 by 10 is tall enough that it's not something that shows up on a big box store website with a price, but if everything you say is correct, I'd say spend the money on a double-walled door and install it yourself. Be aware they do remove some meat out of that double-walled door, FWIW, because the structure of it stiffens it. The skin will be thinner. So it's not entirely superior. But I'd buy it anyway if you like it. I think that a talented fifth grader could install the doors, and I think it's actually kinda fun. i mean if you'd play with an erector set, you can install a garage door.

You could also price it in a model 9605 and see if that's cheaper. At least price it in a "colonial" style (the cheapest). The outside design changes the price way more than going from single-wall to double-wall in my limited experience.

Yeah, I'm going to look into bypassing the supply house that is the retailer for the door companies but I don't think that there's a difference between the supply house's markup through their own retail outlet and the door company's retail markup -- at least that's what the door company says...

I've been thoroughly underwhelmed by what I'm seeing with door "quality" for the price. This is a shop for me so I don't need a lot of bling but a sturdy door would be nice and having windows would be a plus.

I'd be willing to install them myself if I could get what I need for a reasonable price and sooner than 6 months.

 

[jack stand]

Jack, could you elaborate on hinged doors? It would seem to me that swinging doors of that size would be quite pricey. Do you mean frame them out and skin them with the steel siding with some trim? I'm not sure I'm understanding your idea.

Yes, whatever look you like. I was thinking some boards for a barn like flavor (accent), but you could clad them with matching or an accent color metal just as well. And another yes, just build them like a brick ********* with strong corner joinery and some diagonals and at least 3 of the biggest hinges you can find. Make the vertical side that the hinges attach to the "backbone" as its doing 90% of the work.

 

[dave_dj1]

Jack, could you elaborate on hinged doors? It would seem to me that swinging doors of that size would be quite pricey. Do you mean frame them out and skin them with the steel siding with some trim? I'm not sure I'm understanding your idea.

Look into hanger style doors, you could diy them and match the siding if it's metal.

 

[ed_v]

My current shop has one 16ft roll up door and one 12ft sliding door. My last shop had a 16ft sliding door.

I like sliding doors. I have mine insulated and dialed in where they seal pretty tight. It takes some work though. Sliding doors work great in bays with a lift. No worries about the door hitting a car on the lift

 

[olytdi]

Thanks Ed, yeah, I agree. I had a slider on my last shop and it was perfect with the lift. I'd do that again if it weren't for the fact that I have two bays side by side that need door solutions!

I think it might look odd to have one paneled overhead garage door in the middle of the building and a slider on the end that when opened, slides in front of the paneled overhead door...

 

[u2slow]

I have found that certain size doors are cheap, and custom sizes cost almost double. Maybe you want to check some different sizes.

My large lean-to's are open without doors. Bylaws forbid me from enclosing them.

I have built rolling doors on barn track before, also hinged double-doors; just plywood and lumber. You can also take a pre-made farm gate - even use 2 for double-tall - and screw metal siding to it.

 

[AndyL]

12' are often cheaper than 10's... Just going to throw that out there, may be a little too late to change that however.

I'd call around to other door suppliers, see what might be available - there's a lot of variance in the industry on what's available.

 

[KJ in VT]

Sliders? Double tracks with the right door on the outer track. Furr out the trim around the right door to match the depth of the left door and install flashing/trim over the header to cover the full depth of both doors/tracks.

But, and may be a big but, if the slab at the door aprons don't extend beyond the wall of the building, you've got nothing to run a sweep against...except the ground.

 

[nadogail]

Ordered a replacement garage door for a rental and it will only be 5 weeks to wait. Had I been not willing to accept the first available replacement, my tenant would be waiting longer.

 

[WisJim]

I just looked at Menards pricing for their "Best" 10 x 10 insulated garage door with 2 windows, and they are under $1800 each with delivery mid-June. Seems like installers may be making a good profit. Not sure how the quality compares to the OP's doors.