All Tablesaws Soon to Get Much More Expensive!

[iandh]

I'm not sure if anyone knows the story behind the Stop Saw. The inventor wanted to sell his system to a saw manufacturer and nobody wanted it. He designed and built the saw himself. If anyone has ever seen it work it is really amazing. There is video on you tube and if you can find it the show called "Time Lapse" filmed it in high speed at 10,000 frames per second. The maker used his finger instead of the hot dog he uses for live demos. I know that a couple local schools use this saw now. They have had it activated a couple times. The teacher said the replacement cost of the blade module (about $120 I Think) sure beats the phone call to the kids parents.

I've seen it many times, and it's a nifty invention. The problem is, I'm not willing to buy this guy a new yacht just so I can ignore standard safety procedures.

He had the nerve to show up to this trial and crucify Ryobi for something that wasn't even their fault, and so he will get his when the day comes.

 

[srmofo]

I believe we had this discussion last year some time when he was just taking them to court. I wish darwinism was a little more effective.

Hoenstly though I could understand if the blade/shaft broke off and the blade came bouncing outta there like a pitbull on cocaine. But it didnt. The guy fucked up. Its as simple as that.....I would be asking why the ***** didnt buy the fancy table saw with the expensive technology if it was that important to him. Its not the table saws fault hes a cheap ***.

 

[danc333]

I've seen it many times, and it's a nifty invention. The problem is, I'm not willing to buy this guy a new yacht just so I can ignore standard safety procedures.

He had the nerve to show up to this trial and crucify Ryobi for something that wasn't even their fault, and so he will get his when the day comes.

Oh don't get me wrong. I don't think he should be rewarded for being stupid. Unfortunately we tend to reward stupid people. No one want to take responsibility for the own actions if they can blame someone else, and make money. We can only hope karma will intervene.

 

[D9H 90V]

People these days cant own up to their own stupidity they think that everything is someone elses fault. I was cutting slopes with a Cat D8L and turned it over and broke my hand from my arms swinging around in the cab but the thought to sue Caterpillar never crossed my mind, why? because I was walking a slope I shouldnt have been
on a related note, Im glad I already have a table saw

 

[iandh]

People these days cant own up to their own stupidity they think that everything is someone elses fault. I was cutting slopes with a Cat D8L and turned it over and broke my hand from my arms swinging around in the cab but the thought to sue Caterpillar never crossed my mind, why? because I was walking a slope I shouldnt have been
on a related note, Im glad I already have a table saw

A grown man admits his mistakes. A child blames them on someone else.

 

[HoosierBuddy]

I'm not sure how important it is to the case at hand, but the ***** in this case did not buy the saw.

He was working for a flooring contractor who purchased and provided him with the saw as well as trained him in its use.

Also, as far as if you stick your fingers in the saw you deserve to get them cut off bs.

Picture someone using a table saw. Now picture them pushing a piece of wood towards the rotating blade which the owner has removed. Now picture the blade cutting into the fingers. The blood is flying. The thumb is mangled and the other four fingers are lying in shreds on the floor. There is blood pumping everywhere.

Just then, YOU hear your grandchild scream from your shop. Waking from where you had fallen asleep after lunch on the couch you run back to the workshop where you find him amidst the scattered pieces of the woodworking project you were helping him build along with the scattered pieces of his perfect little hand. You see the utter horror in his big eyes filled with tears, you see the bones sticking out of the severed knuckles, hear his agonized wailing, and you realize his hand can never be repaired. He's maimed for life and it didn't have to happen.

Or...don't think about that.

If we can figure out a good way to make something safer, it's probably a good idea to do that.

Phil

 

[woody 73]

amen Phil,well spoken !

 

[RbrtAWhyt]

So they hand down a punitive $1.5 million dollar award...

No pun intended...

 

[porphyre]

I'm not sure how important it is to the case at hand, but the ***** in this case did not buy the saw.

He was working for a flooring contractor who purchased and provided him with the saw as well as trained him in its use.

Also, as far as if you stick your fingers in the saw you deserve to get them cut off bs.

Picture someone using a table saw. Now picture them pushing a piece of wood towards the rotating blade which the owner has removed. Now picture the blade cutting into the fingers. The blood is flying. The thumb is mangled and the other four fingers are lying in shreds on the floor. There is blood pumping everywhere.

Just then, YOU hear your grandchild scream from your shop. Waking from where you had fallen asleep after lunch on the couch you run back to the workshop where you find him amidst the scattered pieces of the woodworking project you were helping him build along with the scattered pieces of his perfect little hand. You see the utter horror in his big eyes filled with tears, you see the bones sticking out of the severed knuckles, hear his agonized wailing, and you realize his hand can never be repaired. He's maimed for life and it didn't have to happen.

Or...don't think about that.

If we can figure out a good way to make something safer, it's probably a good idea to do that.

Phil

I can fashion that same horror story around just about any common household item. A bench grinder. A boiling pot of water on the stove. An oven. A lit fireplace. A car parked on an incline. A bottle of pills. A back deck with a drop-off.

In your story, it just sounds like you need to do a better job teaching, disciplining and monitoring your grandchild.

 

[Bolster]

I can fashion that same horror story around just about any common household item. A bench grinder. A boiling pot of water on the stove. An oven. A lit fireplace. A car parked on an incline. A bottle of pills. A back deck with a drop-off.

Exactly.

I think what happened here, better matches this analogy:

A guy buys a no-frills Chevy Aveo. He drives it 120 miles an hour with no seatbelt. He slams into an embankment, breaking all his bones. Obviously, he sues Chevy, (or the US Government, or the Taxpayer, not really sure anymore who gets sued in this scenario.) The genius jury learns that other, more expensive cars have better protection devices: side air bags, ABS, radar, force fields, whatever. They give Chevy/Govt/Taxpayer's 1.5 million to the Aveo owner because the Aveo did not have those advanced features.

Now, fuzzy thinkers and future jurors, please take note: Nobody is saying that ABS, radar, and force fields aren't great. But the dude did not pay for them. He bought the cheapest Chevy he could. And he got what he paid for, until the jury declared war on natural cause and effect.

We mustn't conflate natural law with manufacturer culpability.

 

[srmofo]

Picture someone using a table saw. Now picture them pushing a piece of wood towards the rotating blade which the owner has removed. Now picture the blade cutting into the fingers. The blood is flying. The thumb is mangled and the other four fingers are lying in shreds on the floor. There is blood pumping everywhere.

Just then, YOU hear your grandchild scream from your shop. Waking from where you had fallen asleep after lunch on the couch you run back to the workshop where you find him amidst the scattered pieces of the woodworking project you were helping him build along with the scattered pieces of his perfect little hand. You see the utter horror in his big eyes filled with tears, you see the bones sticking out of the severed knuckles, hear his agonized wailing, and you realize his hand can never be repaired. He's maimed for life and it didn't have to happen.



Phil

the whole problem with this story is that YOU, the consumer, the owner, and the the grandfather chose to buy the cheap model. Again this is where personal responsibility comes in. I dont have small children and I sure as hell dont have them running around in my shop. I also know to keep my damn hands away from the blade and use safe practices around power tools. Why do I need a several thousand dollar table saw to cut wood. Im not a furniture maker or professional craftsman and I just dont need the higher quality machine. I do need to, on occasion rip a 2x4 smaller though.

Maybe when I have children, I will upgrade the machine...or just use the safety feature of that little plastic key thing, or *gasp* educate them. Until then Ill just keep my hands away from the blade. I used to play in my grandpas shop all the time. He was a proffesional cabinet maker and his equipment didnt have any safety features. I was told not to touch them, was showed what they can and will do, and I was smart enough to listen,watch,learn. I still have all my fingers.

This is like car technology, eventually it will work its way down to the cheaper models like airbags did, but it shouldnt be shoved down our throats like we're a bunch of damn kids that are too stupid to figure things out on our own.

 

[Bolster]

He was working for a flooring contractor who purchased and provided him with the saw as well as trained him in its use.

So sue the contractor!!!

Oh wait, he doesn't have as much money as Ryobi does. OK, change of plans, sue Ryobi.

Wait, why stop there? Sue the oil company, that made the plastic in the Ryobi! Everybody hates oil companies, so this argument must be valid.

Sheeple are just so manipulated by their hates, today.

 

[iandh]

In your story, it just sounds like you need to do a better job teaching, disciplining and monitoring your grandchild.

Exactly... it's just another way to pass the buck.

Why don't we blame doughboy pools for drowning children also, you know they could have integrated a laser sighted threat deterrence tranquilizer gun turret system into their pools, but they didn't just to be cheap.