Whitewater Garage Build
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bwap
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That's an awesome garage, I'm really jealous!
rixtrix1
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Wow, this is really looking good. Kind of sad that contractors complain about a job being too difficult.
In the last post I mentioned that the sheetrock guys on 7/8 said another week, well they finally finished 8/1. That was 2 1/2 months to sheetrock, mud and finish. I originally asked for a "level 5" finish, bullnose corners and that I plan to use a satin sheen to the paint. Angle corners arrived and the sheetrocker asked what texture I wanted and I should use a flat sheen to cover any mistakes in the sheetrock. Yes, I should have used another company in retrospect but the end result is pretty good.
I question before this post came up asking what kind of railing I was going to use on the "margarita" deck? We used a very simple aluminum railing system that is available through Home Depot. Yes, I could have gone with all sorts of things but this is simple, will not rust in Oregon rain and easily installed, it is called Weatherables, the style is Stanfordhttps://www.homedepot.com/p/Weatherables-Stanford-36-in-H-x-72-in-W-Textured-Black-Aluminum-Railing-Kit-CBR-B36-A6/305578365
We now have the final plumbing installed and the HVAC systems and we are waiting for the final installs of the propane system (for the garage heater, gas fire place and possible gas range) as well as the final electrical. Once we have those we can apply for the final occupation permit.
I plan to do a seperate post on the garage heater and two mini-splits for the HVAC system.
This next Monday the flooring will be installed for upstairs (vinyl plank) and downstairs rooms (roll out vinyl) but the garage floor epoxy will have to wait until everything else is finished.
Here are some pictures of the upstairs, all the protective wrap is not off of the beams and the window trim is not up yet.
View media item 95311The upstairs bathroom has a shower! The material is a man made marble look a like that is very light and easy to work with. The shower door is a frameless model and there is a small bench to the left (you can't see it) and I am told it is needed to shave ones legs.
View media item 95312Here is the entire bathroom. The floor is covered to protect it while painting etc.
View media item 95313The North side of the main room, fireplace on left, TV will be on the right and river view in the middle.
View media item 95321Tall picture of the North side.
View media item 95317The South side view of the main room. You and see the skylights on either side of the sliding glass door and the temporary staircase into the guest bedroom.
View media item 95320Tall picture of the South side.
View media item 95315View from the stairway into the guest bedroom. You might be able to see the beadboard back wall and bedroom skylight. On the left and right side are the dormer windows.
View media item 95314Better picture of the bedroom looking out the West facing dormer window. These low roof areas will have floor pillows and create a little reading nook (so the wife says).
View media item 95316View from the guest bedroom looking East across the main room. The open beam and wood details are really beginning to take shape. Remember, on the left side will be a kitchenette once the final is signed off.
View media item 95319Here is the deck railing I mentioned above. It is simple and seems to fade away . . . the more adult beverages you have.
View media item 95318Another view of the railing.
I mentioned we are blueberry farmers, well it is harvest time. Here are a few harvest photos:
View media item 95322Blueberries from Oregon.
View media item 95323Our harvester.
View media item 95324one of 10 truck loads filled with almost 15 tons of blueberries.
View media item 95325We prefer to work at night when it's cool.
I question before this post came up asking what kind of railing I was going to use on the "margarita" deck? We used a very simple aluminum railing system that is available through Home Depot. Yes, I could have gone with all sorts of things but this is simple, will not rust in Oregon rain and easily installed, it is called Weatherables, the style is Stanfordhttps://www.homedepot.com/p/Weatherables-Stanford-36-in-H-x-72-in-W-Textured-Black-Aluminum-Railing-Kit-CBR-B36-A6/305578365
We now have the final plumbing installed and the HVAC systems and we are waiting for the final installs of the propane system (for the garage heater, gas fire place and possible gas range) as well as the final electrical. Once we have those we can apply for the final occupation permit.
I plan to do a seperate post on the garage heater and two mini-splits for the HVAC system.
This next Monday the flooring will be installed for upstairs (vinyl plank) and downstairs rooms (roll out vinyl) but the garage floor epoxy will have to wait until everything else is finished.
Here are some pictures of the upstairs, all the protective wrap is not off of the beams and the window trim is not up yet.
View media item 95311The upstairs bathroom has a shower! The material is a man made marble look a like that is very light and easy to work with. The shower door is a frameless model and there is a small bench to the left (you can't see it) and I am told it is needed to shave ones legs.
View media item 95312Here is the entire bathroom. The floor is covered to protect it while painting etc.
View media item 95313The North side of the main room, fireplace on left, TV will be on the right and river view in the middle.
View media item 95321Tall picture of the North side.
View media item 95317The South side view of the main room. You and see the skylights on either side of the sliding glass door and the temporary staircase into the guest bedroom.
View media item 95320Tall picture of the South side.
View media item 95315View from the stairway into the guest bedroom. You might be able to see the beadboard back wall and bedroom skylight. On the left and right side are the dormer windows.
View media item 95314Better picture of the bedroom looking out the West facing dormer window. These low roof areas will have floor pillows and create a little reading nook (so the wife says).
View media item 95316View from the guest bedroom looking East across the main room. The open beam and wood details are really beginning to take shape. Remember, on the left side will be a kitchenette once the final is signed off.
View media item 95319Here is the deck railing I mentioned above. It is simple and seems to fade away . . . the more adult beverages you have.
View media item 95318Another view of the railing.
I mentioned we are blueberry farmers, well it is harvest time. Here are a few harvest photos:
View media item 95322Blueberries from Oregon.
View media item 95323Our harvester.
View media item 95324one of 10 truck loads filled with almost 15 tons of blueberries.
View media item 95325We prefer to work at night when it's cool.
Xzylon
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Wow! This is amazing! My wife and I are looking into our first house build on quite a bit lower budget. I love taking motivation from incredible looking complex builds like this. Thanks for sharing!
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Boosted1
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Looking good
those blueberries look huge
those blueberries look huge
sean Buick 76
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Fantastic!
Buzz Lightyear
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That's stunning - Subscribed!
scramboleer
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Any updates here?
To those of you who followed this thread, I am sorry I have not updated it for almost 2 years. Here is the story:
My last post to this thread was August 23, 2020. September 8, 2020 (Labor Day) the Holiday Farm forest fire 25 miles to the east of us began when unusually high winds caused a tree to fall into power lines.
My phone and my wife's phone blew up with LEVEL 3 GO NOW warnings at 12:30 am. Since the fire stated 25 miles away, I thought we would be fine. We gathered up our 2 cats, laptops, wallets and jackets, friends staying in the new shop, employees that work/live at the ranch, opened the gates for the cattle just in case and went to the local high school meeting area. I was sure we would return home in a day or so once the fire was under control.
Well, we stayed at a hotel for a little more than two weeks as fire refugees. I didn't realize I was a refugee until I went to the hotel lobby in the morning and saw a sign about how refugees could stay for a reduced price and could gather donated food and clothing if needed.
The reality hit when I was able to get back to the ranch for a 30 minute visit to check on our cattle, home and blueberries.
We were more fortunate than others that our home was intact, smoky but intact. The fire literally went around our home coming within inches of the house. The new shop, well it wasn't so lucky. The entire burnt to the ground, both stories fell into the shop floor. My Rotary Lift that I was waiting for the electrical connection to be made, was now the tallest thing left from a 2 story shop. My 1950 Willys, workout equipment, Parasound/KEF/Marantz stereo, +500 50 year old vinyl record collection, all remote control planes and equipment and high school memorabilia was nothing more than ashes.
For those who followed this, you will remember we are a timber and blueberry farm. We lost about 40 blueberry plants to fire that started on the plastic weed-mat, but we lost about 1,000 acres of Douglas Fir forest. We also lost 9 antique tractors and farm equipment. Our cows were fine.
It has take this long to get to a point where I can write this without tearing up.
So, where are we today? I will say here that we are about 90% back, the forest will take 30-40 years to recover but the ranch is up and running, blueberries are coming along and . . . .my new shop is about 2 months from being completed. I will continue this thread for the new shop as we were able to reuse the original foundation. But before I post about the new shop, I will share some photos from of the fire.
My last post to this thread was August 23, 2020. September 8, 2020 (Labor Day) the Holiday Farm forest fire 25 miles to the east of us began when unusually high winds caused a tree to fall into power lines.
My phone and my wife's phone blew up with LEVEL 3 GO NOW warnings at 12:30 am. Since the fire stated 25 miles away, I thought we would be fine. We gathered up our 2 cats, laptops, wallets and jackets, friends staying in the new shop, employees that work/live at the ranch, opened the gates for the cattle just in case and went to the local high school meeting area. I was sure we would return home in a day or so once the fire was under control.
Well, we stayed at a hotel for a little more than two weeks as fire refugees. I didn't realize I was a refugee until I went to the hotel lobby in the morning and saw a sign about how refugees could stay for a reduced price and could gather donated food and clothing if needed.
The reality hit when I was able to get back to the ranch for a 30 minute visit to check on our cattle, home and blueberries.
We were more fortunate than others that our home was intact, smoky but intact. The fire literally went around our home coming within inches of the house. The new shop, well it wasn't so lucky. The entire burnt to the ground, both stories fell into the shop floor. My Rotary Lift that I was waiting for the electrical connection to be made, was now the tallest thing left from a 2 story shop. My 1950 Willys, workout equipment, Parasound/KEF/Marantz stereo, +500 50 year old vinyl record collection, all remote control planes and equipment and high school memorabilia was nothing more than ashes.
For those who followed this, you will remember we are a timber and blueberry farm. We lost about 40 blueberry plants to fire that started on the plastic weed-mat, but we lost about 1,000 acres of Douglas Fir forest. We also lost 9 antique tractors and farm equipment. Our cows were fine.
It has take this long to get to a point where I can write this without tearing up.
So, where are we today? I will say here that we are about 90% back, the forest will take 30-40 years to recover but the ranch is up and running, blueberries are coming along and . . . .my new shop is about 2 months from being completed. I will continue this thread for the new shop as we were able to reuse the original foundation. But before I post about the new shop, I will share some photos from of the fire.
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OK, now for the new shop. I didn't feel right building the same shop a second time. There were some lessons learned and changes I wanted to make, additionally we wanted to save a little money on the re-build to put towards remodeling our home.
We went with a 1 story "Northwest Industrial" design which is basically several boxes within a big box. To add some character we added "eyebrows" and the guest quarters is a 20'wx18' addition to the existing foot print.
The building department around here is very suspect of shops on agricultural property being used as full time living dwellings, so the Mancave is listed as Work/Shop Storage, the Work Out Room is listed as Irrigation Tools and bedroom is listed as office and the living space is listed as Conference.
The ManCave grew from 10x20 to 14 by 21 (I thought I earned the extra square footage) and we added in a work bench area. The bathroom is situated so it can be accessed from the workout room, bedroom and garage/shop.
The main walls are 13' tall and the ceiling is open truss. The rooms in the shop have 9' ceilings so this creates a lot of storage above each room accessed from the garage/shop.
Here are the plans:
We went with a 1 story "Northwest Industrial" design which is basically several boxes within a big box. To add some character we added "eyebrows" and the guest quarters is a 20'wx18' addition to the existing foot print.
The building department around here is very suspect of shops on agricultural property being used as full time living dwellings, so the Mancave is listed as Work/Shop Storage, the Work Out Room is listed as Irrigation Tools and bedroom is listed as office and the living space is listed as Conference.
The ManCave grew from 10x20 to 14 by 21 (I thought I earned the extra square footage) and we added in a work bench area. The bathroom is situated so it can be accessed from the workout room, bedroom and garage/shop.
The main walls are 13' tall and the ceiling is open truss. The rooms in the shop have 9' ceilings so this creates a lot of storage above each room accessed from the garage/shop.
Here are the plans:
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The benefit of owning a timber farm (even if a lot of it burned down) is that you have easy access to wood. The fire burned quite a few Douglas Fir, Western Cedar and Big Leaf Maple. As many of you know Douglas Fir grows straight and tall and is great for building. Cedar is resistant to bugs and Maple is great to make furniture from.
We were able to find a mobile mill that came to the ranch for a full week. Curly Burly, milled all of the wood we used in the shop for framing and some finish work. If you ever go down this road, make sure you can find a certified wood grader who can stamp your wood so it passes inspection.
Here are some pictures of the milling and some framing.
We were able to find a mobile mill that came to the ranch for a full week. Curly Burly, milled all of the wood we used in the shop for framing and some finish work. If you ever go down this road, make sure you can find a certified wood grader who can stamp your wood so it passes inspection.
Here are some pictures of the milling and some framing.
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The new addition (20' w by 18'd) was and interesting add on to the old 60'Lx35'W foundation. I had had visited a neat coffee, beer, wine, food truck, motorcycle restoration shop (yes all together in one) in Bend, Oregon called SpokenMoto. That was my inspiration to go with more of an industrial looking building.
Here is the framing and sheeting of the addition in the building beginning to take shape.
Here is the framing and sheeting of the addition in the building beginning to take shape.
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So by about November of 2021, the shop really started to take shape. It was more than a year after the fire (Sept 8, 2020). We were still knee deep in dealing with insurance and both of my wife's parents passed away with in a few months of each other. Yes, when it rains it pours especially in Oregon. But the crews kept coming out and working on the shop even though I really had very little time to oversee what was going on.
When viewing the interior shots, the ManCave is on the left, Work Bench area is center and the Workout Room is on the right and the bathroom is on the far right.
When viewing the interior shots, the ManCave is on the left, Work Bench area is center and the Workout Room is on the right and the bathroom is on the far right.
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The day the windows arrive is probably more exciting than it should be. However, it means some of the green wrap can be cut out and allow light in. We decided to go with the black frame window, I am not sure if they are trendy or what but I think they look good.
December 2021 brought a little snow but due to supply issues, garage doors ordered in September MAY arrive in July.
December 2021 brought a little snow but due to supply issues, garage doors ordered in September MAY arrive in July.
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We are now into January 2022, why do these things take soooo long?
Anyway, I thought I would show the storage space above the rooms below. I plan to put an angle iron edge along the open side of the storage area and add a railing. It seems like this space would be a great spot for a huge train set or slot car track.
Douglas Fur, (2 years old in this picture) mastered the art of climbing ladders and followed me up. We can no longer leave ladders near areas where he can get stuck or lost.
Anyway, I thought I would show the storage space above the rooms below. I plan to put an angle iron edge along the open side of the storage area and add a railing. It seems like this space would be a great spot for a huge train set or slot car track.
Douglas Fur, (2 years old in this picture) mastered the art of climbing ladders and followed me up. We can no longer leave ladders near areas where he can get stuck or lost.
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We are now in February 2022. A lot has been accomplished.
We are siding the building with Hardy board. It is supposed to be fire resistant, but that did not stop the last shop from burning down.
One of splurges on the building is this door. One side is a regular man door but the two other panels can be bi-folded to completely open and there is a hidden screen that pulls out and then magically disappears into the wall.
We also are trying out Tamlyn extruded aluminum channels with the Hardy board. The benefit is that you can use the channels in the aluminum to tuck in the Hardy board instead of nailing the boards end to end. Eventually, the boards nailed end to end separate from the weather causing gaps between the boards. The other advantage is being able to cut many boards the same length for certain sections of the building. I have a close up photo of where our carpenter screwed up a bit. At first they hated the Tamlyn but by the end they really liked it.
The other thing we used in this building is extruded aluminum siding by Taylor Metal Products. It comes pre-painted and since it is aluminum it will not rust. Again, there was a learning curve for our builder but eventually they got it. I think it added a neat/modern industrial look.
We are siding the building with Hardy board. It is supposed to be fire resistant, but that did not stop the last shop from burning down.
One of splurges on the building is this door. One side is a regular man door but the two other panels can be bi-folded to completely open and there is a hidden screen that pulls out and then magically disappears into the wall.
We also are trying out Tamlyn extruded aluminum channels with the Hardy board. The benefit is that you can use the channels in the aluminum to tuck in the Hardy board instead of nailing the boards end to end. Eventually, the boards nailed end to end separate from the weather causing gaps between the boards. The other advantage is being able to cut many boards the same length for certain sections of the building. I have a close up photo of where our carpenter screwed up a bit. At first they hated the Tamlyn but by the end they really liked it.
The other thing we used in this building is extruded aluminum siding by Taylor Metal Products. It comes pre-painted and since it is aluminum it will not rust. Again, there was a learning curve for our builder but eventually they got it. I think it added a neat/modern industrial look.
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While the outside was getting skinned the crew was busy on the inside. We decided to use spray foam to insulate the roof and part way down the walls. I would have liked to use spray foam on the entire shop but it is really expensive. They put down a little over 6" of spray foam on the upper walls and ceiling. What was really interesting was how much and where the foam could be seen on the exterior of the building. The upper area is sealed very well now.
The lower part of the walls are insulated to R-23 (R21 was the previous code now updated to R-23) try finding simple R23 bats.
The lower part of the walls are insulated to R-23 (R21 was the previous code now updated to R-23) try finding simple R23 bats.
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April 20, 2022
We had epoxy floors scheduled for today. However, the installer said our floors were so bad they would not spend the time to repair them and we should find another alternative. Granted, a 2 story building burned up and fell on them but I thought they could do something. Most of the pock marks are about 1/8" deep but there are hundreds over the 1450 sq. ft.
Here are a few photos.
We had epoxy floors scheduled for today. However, the installer said our floors were so bad they would not spend the time to repair them and we should find another alternative. Granted, a 2 story building burned up and fell on them but I thought they could do something. Most of the pock marks are about 1/8" deep but there are hundreds over the 1450 sq. ft.
Here are a few photos.
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jkeyser14
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Wow... I am sorry to hear about your bad luck. I loved your old building. Luckily nobody got hurt and at least you can rebuild.
scramboleer
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What an event; what an effort. Thanks for posting. It's great to follow along.
bugnut
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Your return after the mounting losses is amazing! May they continue!
Chrisb62
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I loved the old building as well as the new.
When people go silent on these threads the thought is, "hope everything is good and they are enjoying it" but man oh man what a awful stretch of bad luck, sorry for all the loses doesn't sound like it covers it.
When people go silent on these threads the thought is, "hope everything is good and they are enjoying it" but man oh man what a awful stretch of bad luck, sorry for all the loses doesn't sound like it covers it.
wasfast
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It would seem self leveling concrete is a option unless I'm missing something.
The company said they would have to pour a self leveling material over the 1,450 sq. ft. area and they were not willing to do that as they specialized in the epoxy floor coatings and not concrete repair. I may see if I can find someone that will.
However, since cost is an issue, I am trying to figure out if I can use rigid tiles or even the PVC tiles over the pock marks or if anyone has experience doing that. Maybe even the larger roll out mats but I worry they would eventually become wavy from all the pock marks.
Thanks for all suggestions!
However, since cost is an issue, I am trying to figure out if I can use rigid tiles or even the PVC tiles over the pock marks or if anyone has experience doing that. Maybe even the larger roll out mats but I worry they would eventually become wavy from all the pock marks.
Thanks for all suggestions!
gmyers
Member
So sorry that this happened but happy you are rebuilding. Good luck I hope it all turns out perfect.
Innovate1
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Really interesting build. Sorry about the fire loss. I grew up between Eugene and Florence (Near Swisshome). My family a several generations back packed in and set up saw mills before there were roads in the hills there. Lots of lumber mills back when I was there in the 60s and 70s but not much any more. I moved to the midwest for college and ended up with a job in the midwest. That area is sure beautiful and I miss it but don't know if I will ever make it back permanently.
Jayman17
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I commented how much I like your shop in your thread about the floor. I did not realize you were the blueberry farm guy that I had read about years ago, I had wondered about you.
So sorry for all your losses. I liked your other shop too but I think I like the new one a bit better.
Those Oregon fires were pretty awful! Wildfire season on the West coast seems to be getting worse every year.
Jay
So sorry for all your losses. I liked your other shop too but I think I like the new one a bit better.
Those Oregon fires were pretty awful! Wildfire season on the West coast seems to be getting worse every year.
Jay
west_perf
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Great attitude and recovery from a major setback. Godspeed forward with the new shop and your business.
Did you lose the blueberry picker, or other tractors and implements in the fire? What kind of vintage tractors did you lose?
Did you lose the blueberry picker, or other tractors and implements in the fire? What kind of vintage tractors did you lose?
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I've dropped in to GJ every once in a while over the past (many) years, but never had enough of an affinity to join ( I frequent similar but different sites). I am considering building a large machine shop and was doing some research, ran across your thread. Had to join just to say "keep the faith bro". What a tough spell of luck. What doesn't kill us makes us stronger. You're story motivates me to stretch and build the shop of my dreams for myself and my family...
Porcelain tile? Should go down no issue over the pock marks. No idea on the costs though. It would look awesome.........
There are flooring companies that specialize in overlays, I've attached a link you might find interesting. I am sure there is a system that uses a pump to move that overlay material into place. Heck you could get crazy and do a colored glass addition that when polished up looks like terrazzo at about half the cost. "Prosco overlay project"
I too add my condolences on the losses both of property and people. While the "stuff" can be replaced, the people and the memories can't. Not that you need to hear it from me, but you've showed some real character sharing some of the challenges you and yours have been facing. Thanks for getting us back up to speed.
I too add my condolences on the losses both of property and people. While the "stuff" can be replaced, the people and the memories can't. Not that you need to hear it from me, but you've showed some real character sharing some of the challenges you and yours have been facing. Thanks for getting us back up to speed.
Work continues but due to Covid, Supply Chain issues and the weather in the Pacific Northwest the work is slow. We have been hoping to pain the exterior for a few weeks so the electricians could finish their outdoor work but rain has delayed any painting.
So, I thought I would show you the door that we put into the living area of the shop.
The door is made by Weather Shield. It has a man door on the left and the 2 sections on the right bi-fold to open. What you can't see is that it has a screen door that rolls up into the casing. The door opens and closes very smoothly and the screen door is super easy to open and close and takes no additional room or special extra track . . . it just rolls up into the end of the door.
So, I thought I would show you the door that we put into the living area of the shop.
The door is made by Weather Shield. It has a man door on the left and the 2 sections on the right bi-fold to open. What you can't see is that it has a screen door that rolls up into the casing. The door opens and closes very smoothly and the screen door is super easy to open and close and takes no additional room or special extra track . . . it just rolls up into the end of the door.
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Being a timber (and blueberry) farm we like to use as much wood as possible. If you remember, we were able to mill all of the wood to frame the building. We are adding 5" tongue and groove cedar ceilings which really make the rooms special. These T&G ceilings will be in the conference room, bedroom, workout room and mancave. To make a smooth transition from ceiling to wall we are adding a 1"x1/4" molding around the edge of the ceiling.
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With the mancave we went one step further with the ceiling. I wanted a rustic look and a dark colored "moody" room. We had cut several 6x6 cedar beams earlier in the year and I found a good spot for them. I will plan to make a "feature" wall with the left over cedar and fir planks at the end of the room where the wall is still painted white. I wanted to put in knee braces on each post and beam but it make the room feel too small. It is really hard to get a good shot of how this turned out, but it carries on the wood theme and slightly rough and industrial look.
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I will say, it is pretty nice to have my shop being used as a shop even if I am not the one getting to do most of the work. Filling it with wood from our ranch is a weird but comforting feeling. Maybe it is just being able to use some of the wood we lost in the 2020 fire.
If I can get the carpenter back, we will mill the wide cedar 1x's for the window trim. We plan to leave them fairly rough in the shop and mancave and will run them through the planer a few times when we make the trim for the windows in the conference room, bedroom, bathroom and workout room.
If I can get the carpenter back, we will mill the wide cedar 1x's for the window trim. We plan to leave them fairly rough in the shop and mancave and will run them through the planer a few times when we make the trim for the windows in the conference room, bedroom, bathroom and workout room.
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