WTH? are these? and one who is this?

[hoopty388]

First off is two items I can't figure out what they do, and the last just wanting some info.

1: I think it might be giant snap ring pliers but otherwise i'm lost. any help would be good no model # or name. thanks

2: it looks like a very old speeder but it has a weird changable "screwdriver" end. screwdriver end doesn't do this justice but can't explain....I feel like that native from the gods must be crazy when I look at this?????????????????

3: This one I figured out but have no info. it is a neat little socket set with an allen wrench for a driver instead of a ratchet. naturally the drive size is allen wrench instead of 1/4. all of this has surface rust and what numbers I see are hard to read. I don't have an ultrasonic yet, so not real clean any tips will help.
detailed info:wrench has a ball on the longer end like a socket wrench but the short is normal
case is tapered and holds all tools. originally red. hard to read numbers on bottom: pat2 0653???
sockets are not marked but are knurled with what I have heard reffered to as x's and diamonds. the x's are raised and diamonds are reccessed. my 1/4" has been replaced by a regular socket and looks the same, so it is not a special design. looks to be the old nickle plating not black, or chrome. hope this helps.

please ask any questions necessary






and for all the non-necessary questions the answer is:
an orange 4

 

[Adam McLaughlin]

My question is:

What did you use to shoot these pics with? A banged up cell phone camera from the 1990s? WTF dude? Hell, at this rate, a sketch would have been a better "image"

Adam

 

[alex71]

nah, its a brand new camera phone. so new in fact that the protective plastic is still on it.

 

[mrshaun]

if this is a digital camera ( not a phone camera ) please change the settings to close up and hold the thing still. Not standing up. place the camera on the table and then take the picture leaning against a wall or book or something. I cant tell what they heck those things are.

 

[Dale B]

The tool with the speeder handle is an old fashioned Valve grinder tool . Way back , valves had 2 drive holes in them , or a slot, and you just selected the driver that fit your hole pattern or slot , put a little valve grinding compound on the valve seat , and start cranking . The tool on top sure looks like its for a snap ring

 

[i4ni]

Pic #1- Seal remover I believe .........or a O-ring tool........or

 

[Teken]

It's also the back ground he used . . . Using a red back ground is a no no in photography unless proper lighting and lens setting are adjusted . . .

Where's that etch a sketch?

 

[Boiler]

The third picture looks like a typical early socket set. Early on, sockets were an innovation because of interchangability and flexibility, but they didn't have ratchets yet. They also used 6 point drives instead of square drives, hence the "allen" drive tool.

Ratchets and square drives seemed to flourish within 5 years either way of 1920. I'd guess that set was made between 1900 and 1925, but their could have been some holdout making them later.

I wouldn't mind having a set like that, PM me if you want to sell it. No clue what its worth but it would be a nice conversation piece...

 

[mikevango]

Best thread ever!

 

[hoopty388]

I figured that first one was maybe snap ring pliers also but I forgot a major detail. this thing is like a foot long, and the pieces are like 3/8 thick. seems awful large for srp

 

[larry_g]

I have seen those strechers and want to say that they are for pulling chain together so that the master link can be installed. Do the handles bypass each other so the notches in the jaws go into a pull position instead of a push? I remember some like that on the farm as a kid.
lg
no neat sig line

 

[hoopty388]

that kinda makes sense but it would have to be pretty thin links.

 

[Lump]

I have a couple of those allen-drive socket sets. PM me anyone, if you want them. They are very interesting looking, but not real valuable.

 

[Ryan]

Tools, not drama...

 

[hoopty388]

why were the post of me defending my erased but the trash talk is still there?

I understand weeding out the ****, but can we get rid of all of it?

 

[BWright]

Tools, not drama...

Ah man, that post was epic.

Back to the OP,
1. Seal Remover
2. I have no Idea
3. Allen drive socket set.

 

[SSGTWC]

why were the post of me defending my erased but the trash talk is still there?

I understand weeding out the ****, but can we get rid of all of it?

It wasn't trash talk, dude! That's called criticism. If you can't take it then, don't post anything. I saw everything you said before it was deleted, and all I got from you was a bunch of crying. The reason why your posts were deleted was because you were the one talking "trash". You really need to grow some thicker skin.

 

[BWright]

It wasn't trash talk, dude! That's called criticism. If you can't take it then, don't post anything. I saw everything you said before it was deleted, and all I got from you was a bunch of crying. The reason why your posts were deleted was because you were the one talking "trash". You really need to grow some thicker skin.

Now don't start that again.

 

[hoopty388]

this is the second time this little ***** has done this what is constructive about putting people down?

constructive critism is " hey man those pics are rough, try this or this.."

nothing constructive about "you may as well use an etch a sketch"

that is trash

 

[mikevango]

this is the second time this little **** has done this what is constructive about putting people down?

constructive critism is " hey man those pics are rough, try this or this.."

nothing constructive about "you may as well use an etch a sketch"

that is trash

you might as well use an etch-a-sketch.. that **** was funny to me

 

[motohack]

Hoopty,

Ryan is right. It is time to stop. You said this guy makes a habit of doing this, so why take it personally? The internet is a crazy place. Some cybergeeks prowl special interest forums they have no interest in. They just monitor new posts for opportunities to inject a nasty comment. Big drama with little effort seems to be the name of their game.

-=JD=-

 

[hoopty388]

you're right, i tried to stop before, but let him get me going again

-fini- promise

 

[paramedic]

haha etch a sketch, i laughed so hard i peed a little

 

[Lump]

Hoopty, just for the record, this reply is not intended as criticism...

This forum is filled with guys and gals who enjoy checking out automotive tools, and helping each other with identification, advice, etc. But it takes the fun out of the whole thing if you just cannot see the picture. So when you spend lots of time reading posts on GJ, you will often seen complaints about missing photos or lousy photos... It's just par for the course.

But today you can do something about it, for almost no cost. There are lots of inexpensive little digital cameras on the market now, and you can get them SO cheap...especially if you're willing to buy used. For example, I used a Nikon Coolpix 5700 for years, and I still have it. It was a very good camera when new...but now it is the "older model", and a little dated.

This camera sits at home now, but I still use it as a back-up unit...like when I want to take one in the boat with me while fishing, etc...in case it might get lost or damaged. But this old camera is still perfectly adequate for photos good which look very good on Garage Journal.

My main business is an ad agency that works for companies that produce parts and accy's for muscle cars, street rods, race cars, etc, and we used this camera for a couple years for catalog and website photos--for paid clients. It has a big Nikkor lens (that's a really good thing), and was a fairly expensive camera when new. But as you can see in the following link to a COMPLETED auction (as an example), you can get good 5700's on eBay now for under $50, with free shipping.
http://cgi.ebay.com/NIKON-5700-DIGI...ewItem&pt=Digital_Cameras&hash=item4aa217a717

But there are LOTS of decent digital camera models on the market now, very affordably, especially when used.
Wally-world and other discount stores sell good ones pretty cheap brand new these days. I'll be glad to help you with your photos for Garage Journal, if you like. I suggest that you get a cheap used tripod at a yard sale (make sure it is complete, or drop $25 on a new one at a dime store). Then get a bright trouble light from your garage, and put a lot of light on your subject. (For example, with the black camera photo in this post, you'll note that the back edges are out of focus, even though the front of the camera is very clear. That's because I didn't bother to put quite enough light on it, for this unimportant photo.) )
You'll get pretty good at it pretty quickly...with very little cost.

Cheers!

 

[Coach James]

Hoopty, we all get some creative suggestions from time to time. Don't take it too personally, especially since most of us really don't know each other.

Over the summer, I'm going to attempt to post some pics of my more interesting tools and I'm sure I'll get a few suggestions as well. I don't know if anything will ever top the Etch-a-Sketch though. I had tears in my eyes from that one.

Coach

 

[hoopty388]

I'm fine with you guys helping, i'm fine with ribbing me, but this was about a guy talking **** and not being productive. I have two digital cameras, and 2 cell phone cameras. I think the problem may be lighting. I still don't think the first 2 are that bad. not good enough for a magazine, but you CAN see what they ar. as far as the third, a suggestion was given to help with that, and it is appreciated. anybody know of a post with tips on taking pics let me know. I tried to search it but only found people complaining, no help.

 

[jvitez]

Hoopty, just for the record, this reply is not intended as criticism...

This forum is filled with guys and gals who enjoy checking out automotive tools, and helping each other with identification, advice, etc. But it takes the fun out of the whole thing if you just cannot see the picture. So when you spend lots of time reading posts on GJ, you will often seen complaints about missing photos or lousy photos... It's just par for the course.

But today you can do something about it, for almost no cost. There are lots of inexpensive little digital cameras on the market now, and you can get them SO cheap...especially if you're willing to buy used. For example, I used a Nikon Coolpix 5700 for years, and I still have it. It was a very good camera when new...but now it is the "older model", and a little dated.

This camera sits at home now, but I still use it as a back-up unit...like when I want to take one in the boat with me while fishing, etc...in case it might get lost or damaged. But this old camera is still perfectly adequate for photos good which look very good on Garage Journal.

My main business is an ad agency that works for companies that produce parts and accy's for muscle cars, street rods, race cars, etc, and we used this camera for a couple years for catalog and website photos--for paid clients. It has a big Nikkor lens (that's a really good thing), and was a fairly expensive camera when new. But as you can see in the following link to a COMPLETED auction (as an example), you can get good 5700's on eBay now for under $50, with free shipping.
http://cgi.ebay.com/NIKON-5700-DIGI...ewItem&pt=Digital_Cameras&hash=item4aa217a717

But there are LOTS of decent digital camera models on the market now, very affordably, especially when used.
Wally-world and other discount stores sell good ones pretty cheap brand new these days. I'll be glad to help you with your photos for Garage Journal, if you like. I suggest that you get a cheap used tripod at a yard sale (make sure it is complete, or drop $25 on a new one at a dime store). Then get a bright trouble light from your garage, and put a lot of light on your subject. (For example, with the black camera photo in this post, you'll note that the back edges are out of focus, even though the front of the camera is very clear. That's because I didn't bother to put quite enough light on it, for this unimportant photo.) )
You'll get pretty good at it pretty quickly...with very little cost.

Cheers!

Thank you Lump for this excellent post. It is well written, respectful, very helpful and very informative. I learned several things. I'm sure others will too. Macro photography isn't something most people ever did, at least until internet forums made it possible for normal folks to post photos. I much appreciate your advice.

 

[Lump]

Thank you Lump for this excellent post. It is well written, respectful, very helpful and very informative. I learned several things. I'm sure others will too. Macro photography isn't something most people ever did, at least until internet forums made it possible for normal folks to post photos. I much appreciate your advice.

You're very welcome.

One thing I did not emphasize enough in that last post was the lens size of ANY camera. Today, many digital camera ads boast of huge megapixel size, on little tiny cameras. But here is a fact for you: You must have a nice big lense to get a good clear picture. Lots of megapixels on a camera with a lens the size of a BB won't do you much good. That's why I showed a pic of my old outdated Nikon. It's only 5 megapixels, but it has a large, good quality Nikkor lens.

Next, put LOTS of light on your subject. A big trouble light with a white cloth draped over it to diffuse works very well (but turn the light on, snap the shot, and pull that cloth off before you start a fire!!!) Even better yet: take your subject outdoors and photograph it. Cloudy days are BEST for still life photography, as the clouds work as massive light diffusers, eliminating shadows.

Another good idea is to use a background which will not contrast with the object, or cause glare, etc. I often recommend using a clean piece of blank brown cardboard, as it seems to work well. Simple is good, for backgrounds.

Finally, it is more important than you think to eliminate camera shake. Get a tripod, and use it. Let me repeat that...get a tripod.

The dark old dirty/rusty tools we are trying to feature make all of the above recommendations even more important. Also, we are often trying to show tiny important details with our pix.

 

[hoopty388]

thanks for the help much appreciated. it is help like this that people join forums for. as I said I have 2 digital cameras. the pics above was with taken with a vivicam 3750. it takes really nice outdoor photos but in my garage or house look like above. I usually only have time to do internet work at night or early morning. so outside pics are out. I will try the diffuser idea. my other camera, which I haven't use much is a kodak c713 easy share. are either of these good enough cameras? I really don't need to waste more money on cameras. thanks again for the help. you recommended using brown cardboard, but what about rusty tools? won't the browns run together?

 

[Lump]

thanks for the help much appreciated. it is help like this that people join forums for. as I said I have 2 digital cameras. the pics above was with taken with a vivicam 3750. it takes really nice outdoor photos but in my garage or house look like above. I usually only have time to do internet work at night or early morning. so outside pics are out. I will try the diffuser idea. my other camera, which I haven't use much is a kodak c713 easy share. are either of these good enough cameras? I really don't need to waste more money on cameras. thanks again for the help. you recommended using brown cardboard, but what about rusty tools? won't the browns run together?

I'm not an expert on various camera brands by model numbers, but if your cameras are fairly new, you should be able to get good results with them. (However, I suspect that your little camera may not have a strong enough flash, if you always have trouble with indoor photos.) Keep in mind that cameras are like automotive tools. You have to really know how to use any individual camera, to get good results. And every camera is different from every other camera. Too many of us buy a new camera, and just point it and shoot it, and then wonder why our shots don't work very well. ANY camera can get good shots outdoors in good light. But if you're trying to photograph a dark old tool, indoors, and up close, you had better get out the owner's manual, and read it carefully.

LOTS of light is one main point, and the other is to hold that camera REALLY still (You usually cannot hold it still enough without a tripod, for in-house close-up photos).

The brown cardboard should be no problem for brown rusty tools, if your photo is in focus. To demonstrate, I picked out a very rusty, difficult-to-read rusty wrench, and photo'd it while sitting on brown cardboard. I did nothing to edit the pic, except to crop it. See what you think of the two photos below:

The above shot on brown cardboard was taken with camera on tripod. This is a really rusty wrench, and the name on it is hard to read even in person. It took two shots from slightly different angles to get it to turn out this well. But of course, I could have cleaned it up slightly, but that was not the point.

The above close-up shot turned out fairly well, for a hurried-up shot...don't you think? I took three frames of it, all at slightly different angles (just an inch higher or lower), because of reflections. This took only a few seconds.

I have a couple other things to do tonight, but if I get a chance, perhaps tomorrow I'll shoot another one or two, using that old obsolete Nikon. I would have used it tonight, but it uses the larger style memory stick, and I've misplaced my card reader for that size.

Cheers!

 

[hoopty388]

thanks again for the help.

I recognized the camera you posted a pic of earlier as one my friend has. so I asked her advice. I saw you said something about macro, but she explained it for me. Think I got a good hand on it now. I will try a couple tonight and let you know how it works out. thanks again

 

[hoopty388]

no tripod yet but tried some techniques. let me know what you think.

 

[hoopty388]

woohoo, I got it.

thanks man. and thanks to my friend too

 

[mixxmstrmike]

no tripod yet but tried some techniques. let me know what you think.

These are the type of pictures that really accomplish what you're trying to get across. They say a picture is worth a thousand words and with these pictures, you've written a very good essay to start.

You've got a good start, just roll with it.

-Mike

 

[Lump]

Well done, Hoopty!!! Indeed, those pix are plenty good enough for any forum post!

 

[metal1313]

i gotta say this, even though i dont have much real info to add, but alot of guys need to look at it this way, a camera is a tool, you can use a camera phone on an hf level or a good canon or nikon on a SO level. ive seen some awesome pictures on this site, and seen some ****. but the new pics the OP posted look great

 

[hoopty388]

thanks guys

even used the new skills to update my for trade area