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SRSemenza

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So Skin Wedges have popped up in various topics. I know it is the difference in the steel but, my question is how much difference is there between the 4140 version and the 4130 version? Does it matter? Does one have a thinner tip than the other? etc.

Seth
 
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They look identical except for the steel # on the handle.

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I've noticed differences in appearance. Aside from those marked 4130 & 4140, some have 1 hole instead of 2. Some have the 4140 casted centered between the 2 holes, some have the 4140 casted closer to the middle hole, some have a longer narrower blade, some have a shorter more blunt blade. Don't know if all these different versions have a difference in blade thickness.

I bought the 4140 version with 2 holes. I doubt these are all made by the same manufacturer, I suspect they are all reproductions of whoever made the original aircraft industry skin wedge.

4140 has higher carbon content than 4130. 4140 can be heat treated for higher strength & hardness if so desired. Who knows if the inexpensive commonly available ones are even made with actual 4140/4130. Mine has been holding up fine & that's all that really matters to me.
 
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I have no idea what a skin wedge is, but I'm sure it's not what my dirty mind told me it is...

"Hey honey, c'mere. Time for the 'ol skin wedge."
I google it, but my error correction changed it to skin wedgie and i didn't notice it. I'll be getting weird ads now.
 

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I can't answer your question about the 4140 vs 4130 skin wedges, but I still might be able to add to the conversation. The only skin spoons I have ever owned/used are the ST991A PTI model, used by Boeing on their airplane assembly lines. I'm sure Boeing would use something different if there was a brand that made a better quality tool, because Boeing doesn't skimp when it comes to tools.

I purchased the ones I have from Ebay, where they usually come up for sale in groupings of 2-6 a few times a month. Sellers almost always call the Boeing version a "skin spoon" instead of a "skin wedge" in the listing title, so use "skin spoon" in your searches if you want to find listings for them more reliably.

I'm not sure if the ones Boeing uses can be purchased new from an online source or not. They are made out of heat treated steel plate, but I don't know what type of steel they use. The long handle is 12 gauge thickness, and the curved prying section is noticeably thinner and it tapers down to a nice sharp pointed tip. With the ones I have, I could probably cut into my skin if I swiped the pry tip across my arm fast.

If I do pry on one too hard, the tip will bend instead of breaking (which I prefer), and the tips can be bent back and straightened up quite easily and they will continue working almost like new. Two of mine are used as dirty work or sacrificial tools for tougher jobs, and they have tips that have been straightened/repaired multiple times each.

After looking at the skin wedges that are marked 4130 or 4140, I have a couple thoughts. The pry end is curved instead of almost perfectly straight like mine. With mine I can push the wedge slowly between two parts I'm trying to separate (like to help release a stuck gasket for instance) and the parts will separate without even needing to pry at all. If the tip is curved, it becomes harder to use that technique because the tip will always start wanting to dig into the top part or the bottom part as you push the pry tip further in and the curve starts to become involved. On the other hand, a curved pry tip that's a little bit thicker and stronger might be better for jobs like prying apart vehicle interior panels. The 4130/4140 skin wedges appear to also become thicker faster as you travel away from the pry tip. Whether that is good or bad will depend on the application you want the skin wedges for. For people who will use this sort of tool a lot, it might be best to have a couple of the thin straight tipped Boeing style spoons and a couple of the thicker 4130/4140 style curved tipped wedges.

Lastly, the skin wedges on Amazon (linked to by lardy1 in the next post) show the tip fitting into a 23 gauge sheet metal gage. My skin spoon tips will fit into the 26 gauge slot of my Starrett 283 sheet metal gage, so it appears that the pry tips are thinner on the Boeing style skin spoons.
 

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I got mine here:

That listing shows a smoth one with one hole and one with the numbers and the second hole. Mine has two holes and is a 4140. So......who knows? There may be multiple sources through Amazon plus it seems there are other versions.

Mine gets used a lot. I know I could live without it because I did for most of my life but since I've had it I've really come to appreciate it.
 

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I got mine here:

That listing shows a smoth one with one hole and one with the numbers and the second hole. Mine has two holes and is a 4140. So......who knows? There may be multiple sources through Amazon plus it seems there are other versions.

Mine gets used a lot. I know I could live without it because I did for most of my life but since I've had it I've really come to appreciate it.
I clicked on your link & it says that's the one I bought. Yup mine is the same, 2 holes 4140.

Damnit, now I have the urge to buy another one. I knew I should have bought the 3 pack to begin with. :D
 

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I got mine here:

That listing shows a smoth one with one hole and one with the numbers and the second hole. Mine has two holes and is a 4140. So......who knows? There may be multiple sources through Amazon plus it seems there are other versions.

Mine gets used a lot. I know I could live without it because I did for most of my life but since I've had it I've really come to appreciate it.
I had the same one and it was very useful until I lost it. It is somewhere in my shop, but damned if I know where.
 

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Mine gets used a lot. I know I could live without it because I did for most of my life but since I've had it I've really come to appreciate it.

I feel the same way. I got three of them about a year back, I end up using them for all sorts of things! Great little tools to have around.
 

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I can't answer your question about the 4140 vs 4130 skin wedges, but I still might be able to add to the conversation. The only skin spoons I have ever owned/used are the ST991A PTI model, used by Boeing on their airplane assembly lines. I'm sure Boeing would use something different if there was a brand that made a better quality tool, because Boeing doesn't skimp when it comes to tools.

I purchased the ones I have from Ebay, where they usually come up for sale in groupings of 2-6 a few times a month. Sellers almost always call the Boeing version a "skin spoon" instead of a "skin wedge" in the listing title, so use "skin spoon" in your searches if you want to find listings for them more reliably.

I'm not sure if the ones Boeing uses can be purchased new from an online source or not. They are made out of heat treated steel plate, but I don't know what type of steel they use. The long handle is 12 gauge thickness, and the curved prying section is noticeably thinner and it tapers down to a nice sharp pointed tip. With the ones I have, I could probably cut into my skin if I swiped the pry tip across my arm fast.

If I do pry on one too hard, the tip will bend instead of breaking (which I prefer), and the tips can be bent back and straightened up quite easily and they will continue working almost like new. Two of mine are used as dirty work or sacrificial tools for tougher jobs, and they have tips that have been straightened/repaired multiple times each.

After looking at the skin wedges that are marked 4130 or 4140, I have a couple thoughts. The pry end is curved instead of almost perfectly straight like mine. With mine I can push the wedge slowly between two parts I'm trying to separate (like to help release a stuck gasket for instance) and the parts will separate without even needing to pry at all. If the tip is curved, it becomes harder to use that technique because the tip will always start wanting to dig into the top part or the bottom part as you push the pry tip further in and the curve starts to become involved. On the other hand, a curved pry tip that's a little bit thicker and stronger might be better for jobs like prying apart vehicle interior panels. The 4130/4140 skin wedges appear to also become thicker faster as you travel away from the pry tip. Whether that is good or bad will depend on the application you want the skin wedges for. For people who will use this sort of tool a lot, it might be best to have a couple of the thin straight tipped Boeing style spoons and a couple of the thicker 4130/4140 style curved tipped wedges.

Lastly, the skin wedges on Amazon (linked to by lardy1 in the next post) show the tip fitting into a 23 gauge sheet metal gage. My skin spoon tips will fit into the 26 gauge slot of my Starrett 283 sheet metal gage, so it appears that the pry tips are thinner on the Boeing style skin spoons.
Very informative, thanks for sharing.
 
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