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Hard Handle Hex Screwdriver

skrider

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Does anyone know of a hex screwdriver set in common sizes with square hard handles similar to Snap-On/Williams/Tekton? I know that Snap-On used to, but they only seem to offer the cushioned version now. The old ones pop up on eBay, but no complete sets, nor do I really want to spend Snap-On dollars for both a metric and SAE set for an only occasional use tool.

The Bondhus set seems to be the closest thing I've found, but is still a rubber outer handle which just never seems to hold up long term (10+ years).
Any other suggestions I should look at?

Thanks!
 
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Wiha Tools may have what you're after:

Wiha Tools 36791

Those look nice, but they are listed as a "soft" handle too. Have you used them? I may have to go with a soft set, but was hoping to find a full hard handle square set. I've seen some of the old acetate/Craftsman style hard handles, but those aren't very comfortable under high torque.
 

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They are a soft grip tool. Not as bad as some, but still not great in dirty environments.

They used to offer an acetate handle, I have a set in metric, but they have dropped these. The soft handles are a cheaper material I’m sure!
It's a trendy material. Definitely not cheaper but notice how...
Snap-on
Wiite
SK
Matco (wiite)
Mac

And so on have all offered the soft handle. It's the new latest greatest must have offering by the masses.

My DeWalt driver with hex bit has a hard handle. Does that count?

I hate screwdrivers and all resembling anything close to that
Hex, torx, square
And especially slotted/Philips

Hate them all

Power tool.......
or give me an even better power tool.
 

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I'm not a fan of hand tools but when traveling, it's hard to justify another big case of tools to fly with when a small bag will suffice. I have for the most part gone to the 1/4"hex drive handle with bits system for all of my work travel. I don't need tools all the time but I won't travel without them because the times I have, I needed them.
 

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It's a trendy material. Definitely not cheaper but notice how...
Snap-on
Wiite
SK
Matco (wiite)
Mac

And so on have all offered the soft handle. It's the new latest greatest must have offering by the masses.

My DeWalt driver with hex bit has a hard handle. Does that count?

I hate screwdrivers and all resembling anything close to that
Hex, torx, square
And especially slotted/Philips

Hate them all

Power tool.......
or give me an even better power tool.
Most of the soft handle materials definitely are cheaper.

Even the ”hard” parts of the multi component handles tend to be polypropylene (a very inexpensive material) with usually an even cheaper TPE plastic overmold.

It’s not great for the job, but it is cheap, so you tell the customer how much more comfortable / ergonomic / ecological your new handles are, then try and charge the same as the older ones. In the U.K. we call this “being pissed on and told it’s raining”.

Cellulose Acetate is definitely a more costly option, but worth it. Probably my favourite material for the job. CAB is more shatter resistant, but even more costly and can be whiffy. Most CAB originates in the U.S. from Eastman, which can also add to the cost.

In almost every case where a manufacturer offers comparable products with both a traditional hard handle, and a soft one, the hard handle carries a premium! Sometimes the soft handles are made from cheap materials and expensive ********, which evens things up….!
 
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My DeWalt driver with hex bit has a hard handle. Does that count?

I have for the most part gone to the 1/4"hex drive handle with bits system for all of my work travel.

This may be what it comes down to. I'd prefer a dedicated full set, but a handle and good hex bit set may be my fall back. I have tons of bit sets, but often the multi sets aren't great construction. Anyone have a favorite quality set of hex bits?
 
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This looks nice, just not sure how it would feel under torque. The old Craftsman's were painful. Have you used these?
Yes, I have, although I don’t own a set. I do own the conventional drivers with the “power grip” handles and they work superbly well.

But.. bear in mind that we’re talking about a hex head screwdriver here. It’s probably going to be used down to a hex size of about 2mm, and probably on nothing bigger than about 6mm.

It’s going to be the tool of choice for the smaller sizes where feel is everything, but if torque is needed there are other tools that are probably a better choice - a hex bit on a ratchet for example.
 

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Thanks for that, I should have mentioned that I do have a Blue-Point T handle set, but they can be cumbersome in tighter places so I'm looking to supplement with a screwdriver style too.
I'm confused, those are screwdriver handles in the link.
 
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Yes, I have, although I don’t own a set. I do own the conventional drivers with the “power grip” handles and they work superbly well.

But.. bear in mind that we’re talking about a hex head screwdriver here. It’s probably going to be used down to a hex size of about 2mm, and probably on nothing bigger than about 6mm.

It’s going to be the tool of choice for the smaller sizes where feel is everything, but if torque is needed there are other tools that are probably a better choice - a hex bit on a ratchet for example.

Great point. Thanks for the input!
 
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I'm confused, those are screwdriver handles in the link.

My mistake there. I misread the content and thought that @whateg01 was posting a link to the T-Handle set he purchased. You’re right though, those are the closest I’ve seen to what I’ve been asking for. I will definitely check them out and given the price point it’s probably worth the gamble to try them.

Thanks for bringing that to my attention!
 

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Most of the soft handle materials definitely are cheaper.

Even the ”hard” parts of the multi component handles tend to be polypropylene (a very inexpensive material) with usually an even cheaper TPE plastic overmold.

It’s not great for the job, but it is cheap, so you tell the customer how much more comfortable / ergonomic / ecological your new handles are, then try and charge the same as the older ones. In the U.K. we call this “being pissed on and told it’s raining”.

Cellulose Acetate is definitely a more costly option, but worth it. Probably my favourite material for the job. CAB is more shatter resistant, but even more costly and can be whiffy. Most CAB originates in the U.S. from Eastman, which can also add to the cost.

In almost every case where a manufacturer offers comparable products with both a traditional hard handle, and a soft one, the hard handle carries a premium! Sometimes the soft handles are made from cheap materials and expensive ********, which evens things up….!
What I'm saying is it's negligible and profit isn't the reason the shift toward soft grip.

Almost every employee here has both kinds and it's what I see them grab nearly all the time.

That soft grip extends to other items like picks as example
 

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What I'm saying is it's negligible and profit isn't the reason the shift toward soft grip.

Almost every employee here has both kinds and it's what I see them grab nearly all the time.

That soft grip extends to other items like picks as example
Yes, there are some other considerstions.

The type of industry is one. I see guys working in electronics, or relatively clean assembly work, and they love the soft handles. If you’re using a tool all day it’s a desirable feature.

Another thing to consider is that many tool buyers / users are not really that concerned, especially in industrial environments. They will just request a screwdriver from the stores, and use what they’re given.

Personally, I’m not keen on them. I’ve picked up a few over the years, and I’ll admit some are quite nice. The Snap On “Instinct” are decent (though they generally offer the hard version of these too - hex drivers being the exception), and the most comfortable are the Irazola (now Bahco) “Tekno”.

Unfortunately, they’re just not suitable for most things I do, and I know a lot of GJ’ers feel the same way! Thankfully, these forums are a great way of sharing info when we find something we like!
 

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Yes, there are some other considerstions.

The type of industry is one. I see guys working in electronics, or relatively clean assembly work, and they love the soft handles. If you’re using a tool all day it’s a desirable feature.
It depends, most of the smaller precision drivers tend to be hard handled but some of the larger tools can be rubberized.

Another thing to consider is that many tool buyers / users are not really that concerned, especially in industrial environments. They will just request a screwdriver from the stores, and use what they’re given.
Yep. If you are lucky enough to request new tools!

Personally, I’m not keen on them. I’ve picked up a few over the years, and I’ll admit some are quite nice. The Snap On “Instinct” are decent (though they generally offer the hard version of these too - hex drivers being the exception), and the most comfortable are the Irazola (now Bahco) “Tekno”.
I have one those handles on a Williams branded 3/8" spinner handle. It works alright for occasional use but I would not consider the shape to be very comfortable if I had to use them on screwdrivers all the time. Point being, there probably isn't a definitive "most comfortable" as that will vary depending upon the person.

Unfortunately, they’re just not suitable for most things I do, and I know a lot of GJ’ers feel the same way! Thankfully, these forums are a great way of sharing info when we find something we like!
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Yes, there are some other considerstions.

The type of industry is one. I see guys working in electronics, or relatively clean assembly work, and they love the soft handles. If you’re using a tool all day it’s a desirable feature.

Another thing to consider is that many tool buyers / users are not really that concerned, especially in industrial environments. They will just request a screwdriver from the stores, and use what they’re given.

Personally, I’m not keen on them. I’ve picked up a few over the years, and I’ll admit some are quite nice. The Snap On “Instinct” are decent (though they generally offer the hard version of these too - hex drivers being the exception), and the most comfortable are the Irazola (now Bahco) “Tekno”.

Unfortunately, they’re just not suitable for most things I do, and I know a lot of GJ’ers feel the same way! Thankfully, these forums are a great way of sharing info when we find something we like!
Honestly it's more of a trendy thing IMO than anything else.
In my industry (auto repair/mod/inspection) the nobody is really using a driver of any sort long enough to think...gee these are so much more comfortable.
Let's face it in my industry if you've got a bunch of fasteners you're reaching for an electric driver/bit combo.
If working around oil or anything wet and your hand is soaked and or the handle.. the soft grip would have it's place. But...BUT...when is that happening? I mean really!!!

Like let's change the oil in a 99 Super Duty with a 7.3 power stroke Diesel while 16 quarts of oil is splashing around while I stick my hand under it to see how warm the oil is....oh and at the very same time taking apart the aftermarket Warn hubs with six hex bolts. 🙄🙄🙄

But hey.....
To each their own.

I hate any of the driver type things and I really like the handle and grip on my DeWalt 887 driver with a proper bit.


One more rant...

Whoever invented Philips needs beat with a wet noodle by the person who invented torx.

Just sayin
 

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Honestly it's more of a trendy thing IMO than anything else.
In my industry (auto repair/mod/inspection) the nobody is really using a driver of any sort long enough to think...gee these are so much more comfortable.
Let's face it in my industry if you've got a bunch of fasteners you're reaching for an electric driver/bit combo.
If working around oil or anything wet and your hand is soaked and or the handle.. the soft grip would have it's place. But...BUT...when is that happening? I mean really!!!

Like let's change the oil in a 99 Super Duty with a 7.3 power stroke Diesel while 16 quarts of oil is splashing around while I stick my hand under it to see how warm the oil is....oh and at the very same time taking apart the aftermarket Warn hubs with six hex bolts. 🙄🙄🙄

But hey.....
To each their own.

I hate any of the driver type things and I really like the handle and grip on my DeWalt 887 driver with a proper bit.


One more rant...

Whoever invented Philips needs beat with a wet noodle by the person who invented torx.

Just sayin
The corporation who owned the patients on Phillips heads developed torx so yeah they agree their better especially cause they no longer have patents on Phillips
 

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Honestly it's more of a trendy thing IMO than anything else.
In my industry (auto repair/mod/inspection) the nobody is really using a driver of any sort long enough to think...gee these are so much more comfortable.
Let's face it in my industry if you've got a bunch of fasteners you're reaching for an electric driver/bit combo.
If working around oil or anything wet and your hand is soaked and or the handle.. the soft grip would have it's place. But...BUT...when is that happening? I mean really!!!

Like let's change the oil in a 99 Super Duty with a 7.3 power stroke Diesel while 16 quarts of oil is splashing around while I stick my hand under it to see how warm the oil is....oh and at the very same time taking apart the aftermarket Warn hubs with six hex bolts. 🙄🙄🙄

But hey.....
To each their own.

I hate any of the driver type things and I really like the handle and grip on my DeWalt 887 driver with a proper bit.


One more rant...

Whoever invented Philips needs beat with a wet noodle by the person who invented torx.

Just sayin
The Phillips screwdriver was invented for power screwdrivers, for production lines, before there were decent torque limitation devices.
The driver head would pop out of the fastener before tearing the fastener head off.
Once torque limiters were designed, the Phillips drive was no longer necessary, but the fasteners were already being used widely.
Ford tried to switch to Robertson Square Drive, but Robertson wouldn’t license the design to Ford, due to a negative lawsuit issue over licensing rights previously, and Ford didn’t want to have to rely on Foreign Canadian made screw supplies.
Pozidriv screws and driver were invented to fix the issue with Phillips, snd does work way better, but the drivers for Pozidriv and Phillips are not really compatible, and are much more likely to cam out the reverse fastener. By the time Pozidriv was introduced, the Phillips faster was too common in the US, so nobody in the US wanted to adopt Pozidriv. In Europe, Phillips wasn’t as common, so Pozidriv became the defacto standard for crosshead screwdrivers in Europe(this is what the crosshead screws on Ikea furniture are).
In Japan, the crosshead design was modified,(maybe to avoid patents, maybe just because the Japanese realized the Phillips design sucked) and the Japanese use something called JIS, which is common on Japanese manufactured goods, and on electronics.
JIS drivers will usually turn phillips screws.
Phillips screwdrivers will cam out JIS screws.
There are some other crosshead designs as well.

The standards for crosshead screwdrivers were changed relatively recently, and the new drivers should have less issues turning Phillips/JIS/etc. with the same drivers, at least if you purchase drivers made to the newer standards.
There are still a crapload of the older drivers around.

For phillips, you can also buy ACR(ribbed) Phillips bits that tend not to cam out, as well as diamond and carbide grit bits that are also not designed to cam out.
 

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The corporation who owned the patients on Phillips heads developed torx so yeah they agree their better especially cause they no longer have patents on Phillips
I wasnt aware Phillips Screw Company had any involvement in developing torx. I thought that was solely Camcar. Any documentation on this statement?
 
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