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600SL

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Hello all. New shop bring built in CT with radiant heated floor. My concern is the 3" of foam insulation required under the slab and how that will play with a lift on top of the slab. I would thing the lift my crush the foam. How is this normally handled?
 
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It shouldn't be a problem .
When my shop was built we preplanned where the 2 post lift would be and avoided those areas where the post would be when laying out the radiant PEX ( this was done so the expansion bolt holes drilled didn't hit the PEX
I have 2 or 3 " of foam under the slab and as far as the weight of the lift and car it will be spread out and have no real impact.
Make sure the sub base is compacted well.
 

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Given that most lifts require a 4" slab at minimum, I don't think you really need to worry about.

Even a 10k lift will disperse it's weight over a fairly large area. Probably a larger area than the tires of a car would. So if you can drive a car on it, you should be able to install a lift on it. Think of how big the base plat on a lift is. Now compare that to the contact patches of your tires. Chances are that the two base plates for the lift are a far greater area than the total contact patches of your tires.
 
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Thanks for the replies. The BendPak 10K lift requires 4.5" 3000PSI concrete. I'm thinking 6" 4500 PSI with rebar. Or will 6" degrade heating performance.
 

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You know the requirements that bendpac will officially reccomend are more than enough to cover their ***, I would rely on those numbers being sufficient for their lawyers and engineers, it's not going to give you any trouble and anything beyond is just wasteful.
 
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You know the requirements that bendpac will officially reccomend are more than enough to cover their ***, I would rely on those numbers being sufficient for their lawyers and engineers, it's not going to give you any trouble and anything beyond is just wasteful.
Absolutely true. But I like to give myself margin for the concrete guy and concrete distributor. Don't believe me, look as my garage build and find the part where the outside pad was poured.
 

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If the floor isn't poured would want a detailed lay out of the tubing and pics. To long of anchors or drill bit going to far. Can you lay out footings?
 
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When I ran my pex I left two 4'x4' squares where I expected the posts for a 2 post lift to go. Now that the building is up and I have some things in it I'm glad I left that much room because looks like I'm going to be toward the edge of the squares to get the lift where I want it. I have 2" foam under and did a 5" slab with some rebar only in the area where the lift will go
 

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6" slab here with radiant heat and 2" rigid foam under slab. Mohawk System 1 lift installed in 2018 with no issues
 
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My tall Bendpak is on my 5” hydronic floor with absolutely no issues. I had no intention of bolting it down, I am able to move it when necessary.

A two post needs to be bolted down. My 4 post is not bolted down and it only requires 3.5"
 

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Thanks for the replies. The BendPak 10K lift requires 4.5" 3000PSI concrete. I'm thinking 6" 4500 PSI with rebar. Or will 6" degrade heating performance.
In our last place we had 6" of concrete with rebar over Dow high density foam, and heating performance was terrific. We used an in-ground Rotary SmartLift, so I don't have specific experience with having a lift on top of foam.

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If the floor isn't poured would want a detailed lay out of the tubing and pics. To long of anchors or drill bit going to far. Can you lay out footings?
Yes the tubes will not be placed in avoid areas. I could layout footings and that is what I'm trying to avoid. My contractor says that if I do that they will need to be 40" deep to be below the frost line and essentially not attached to the floor.
 

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Radiant floor here with multiple lifts installed. No issues. If you calculate the PSI the floor is exerting on the foam, it's FAR less than the foam can hold up. By a lot. Performance is very good on my floor. I moved a lift a little from planned, i just used an IR camera to see the tubing and drill around the lines.
 

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The foam is rated at 25 psi as I recall. The concrete is closer to 3000, so it will distribute the load. But even at 25 psi, a 10" square baseplate will support 2500 pounds directly on the foam. Of course, you wouldn't do that--the foam would eventually creep if nothing else. But the stuff is easy to puncture, but really surprisingly strong with a distributed load.

If you lose track of where your tubing is, wait for the floor to fully cool. Mark off the areas where you want the bolts, giving yourself some adjustment room but keeping the investigation area as small as possible otherwise. Find your laser thermometer and make sure the battery is good. Find your marking crayon and have it in hand. Once you are ready, crank up the hydronic system to full tilt by raising the set point to 10 degrees above the thermostat reading. Stand at your spot, scanning the area with the laser thermometer at right angles to the tubing orientation (which you should know from the photo I hope you have from before the pour). You'll start to see peaks in temperatures forming. Mark those with the crayon. Connect the dots and you'll know where your tubes are.

An HVAC mechanical engineer I know uses a thermal sensing camera to do this.

Eventually, the floor temperature will even out and you'll lose the ability to see the peaks above the tube locations, so don't dawdle. Remember to turn the thermostat back down when you are done.

All that said, I think I'd prefer a four-poster if I had to have a lift, just because i've seen too many close calls with grossly unbalanced loads, or loads that become unbalanced as some heavy part (like the engine/transmission combo) is removed or added.

Rick "who may be facing the same issue someday" Denney
 
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