Determine load bearing wall

[Reit38]

So we decided to remove a pocket sliding door and then continued to open up the wall without doin to much investigating. The second pic is tye floor joist below. Haveing the 2 joist nailed together u der the wall has a but worried its load bearing. The floor joist and wall are running the same direction as each other. This is not the main support running down the middle of the house. House was built in 1969

 

[The Cobbler]

doesn't really matter what the floor joists below are doing, it's what the ceiling above is doing. is there a second storey above?
it sure looks with that 2x6 header it is a bearing wall

 

[Reit38]

House is a 2 story. Floor joist upstairs are also running the same direction I assumed the header was for the sliding ppcket door

 

[The Cobbler]

forgive me, but I don't quite understand your first post. are the second floor joists running parallel or perpendicular to the wall you're removing?

 

[billconner]

It seems unlikely the wall parallel with floor joists is load bearing. It's 2x6 to accommodate the (removed) pocket door. in the basement, does the double joist end at a wall plate and probably a main beam supported by columns?

 

[PoorUB]

If the floor joists above run the same direction as the wall, good chance it is not load bearing. although, depending on the wall layout and roof structure there could be a load carried from above.
We really don't have enough information to decide.

 

[Reit38]

All floor joist and rafters run parallel to one another.

The double joist in basement sits on the support beam.

 

[billconner]

Seems highly unlikely it's a load bearing wall

 

[jack stand]

Seems highly unlikely it's a load bearing wall

...other than the double Jack's at both sides of the existing opening and the double floor joists. This could also be just the carpenter's pride but it makes me wonder.

 

[billconner]

what could it support - 16" wide strip of floor above? And how much does a gou bb led joist support with no colums in basement?

 

[Firstram]

It's a common practice to run double joists under all walls that run parallel with the joists. Cut out some drywall to confirm the ceiling joist direction.

 

[Half-fast eddie]

It's a common practice to run double joists under all walls that run parallel with the joists. Cut out some drywall to confirm the ceiling joist direction.

Really?

 

[TRWham]

Really?

Yes, really. Otherwise the entire dead load of the wall is on only one joist, plus whatever floor load it also carries.

 

[Reit38]

It's a common practice to run double joists under all walls that run parallel with the joists. Cut out some drywall to confirm the ceiling joist direction.

I've had the floor opened upstairs they run same way

 

[duneslider]

Looking at the framing around the pocket door it sure looks to me like the pocket door was added at some later date and whoever did the framing for the pocket door just threw stuff in. The wood doesn't seem to match. The most inside jacks go to the floor and don't rest on the bottom plate. I would guess this was a swinging door at one point or just an opening and someone turned it into a pocket door.

If this wall is parallel to floor joists and ceiling joists it would have to be a continuous path from roof to basement footing for it to be a bearing wall.

I have a bearing wall in my house on the main floor running parallel to joists and ceiling trusses but there is a girder directly above the wall and under the wall it is directly on an I-beam in the floor.

 

[Dig Doug]

Cut out some ceiling Drywal, to verify whats happening above!

you ll have to patch it anyway if the wall gets removed

if anything it’s a mid span wall keeps the 2nd floor joist from flexing moving up / down

that’s a 2x4 wall w /2x6 double header. Looking at the pic I dont believe it’s bearing.
you don’t have heavy duty bottom plate anchors and a dbl 2x6 isn’t as strong as a 4x looks like it’s about 6 or 7 ft wide ( looking at the floor tiles, assuming they are 12 inch wide)

Typically if it was load bearing you would have a 4x8, 4x10 to carry a 2nd floor load

when was the home built?

 

[Half-fast eddie]

Looking at the framing around the pocket door it sure looks to me like the pocket door was added at some later date and whoever did the framing for the pocket door just threw stuff in. The wood doesn't seem to match. The most inside jacks go to the floor and don't rest on the bottom plate.

The header in the last picture doesn’t look big enough for the span, if it is load bearing. If the header was just to frame the opening and support the drywall, a single jack stud would be enough. Could be they rough framed it with the king and one jack on the bottom plate, and added the second jacks later to adjust the size of the opening.

 

[Innovate1]

Cut out some ceiling Drywal, to verify whats happening above!

you ll have to patch it anyway if the wall gets removed

This. If you look at the framing above it should be very obvious if it's supporting or not. Probably not supporting if the joist runs parallel but looking will verify that.

 

[Reit38]

So the top plate is a 4x4 but not under a floor joist at all. There's 2 joist on either side of the 4x4. The 4x4 goes about a in up in-between them