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So, I bought one ESCO 22-Ton Jack Stand from Zoro. With the 20% coupon, I paid around $110.00. Advertised as 22 Ton per Jack - not pair. Only to find out HF started selling a similar model (overdue!). Visited the store today and couldn't tell any difference between the brands. Only HF advertises the Daytona as 22 Ton per pair.

I know steel matters, but both coming out of China...what gives?! If anything, the Daytona pin looked a bit thicker to me.

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Daytona pic From HF dot COM...Looks better in person.

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Per specs, the HF show as heavier by about 3.5-lbs. But they look the same so maybe could be from the same mfr, just with misleading specs.
 
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My guess is this…….Most jack stands are sold in pairs and person in charge of product spec text made an oversight on putting “per pair” Vs “per jack”. Average person doing this type job is looking at these as widget ”A”, widget “B”, widget ”C”, and so on.
 
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My guess is this…….Most jack stands are sold in pairs and person in charge of product spec text made an oversight on putting “per pair” Vs “per jack”. Average person doing this type job is looking at these as widget ”A”, widget “B”, widget ”C”, and so on.
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Unlikely. If you look at the ESCO website, it clearly states per jack. Someone is misleading or using a different steel stock.

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Unlikely. If you look at the ESCO website, it clearly states per jack. Someone is misleading or using a different steel stock.

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not getting what I was trying to say.
ESCO is correct…Harbor Freight is not.
HF person made mistake cause jack stand sku’s are all “pair” so they just went with that. Or they saw “per jack” and thought that was wrong. If you think the person doing the retail spec text knows the difference between 3 ton and 22 ton you would be wrong lol.
 
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HF could say 1 ton or 100 ton for that stand, doesn't matter...I wouldn't trust my life to something they put their name on.

Curious, what are you using those to support?
 
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Harbor Freight is incorrect correct; https://agradetools.com/jack-stands-rating/

Edited due to M635_Guy pointing out my brain cramp. Thank you.

"After ASME PASE-2014 became effective in 2015 all jack stands must be rated per pair and not per individual stand. Previously, some companies were advertising jack stands with individual ratings, but in 2019 you will always be seeing jack stands rated as a pair. Therefore, a 6-ton rated jack stand has only a 3-ton maximum load individually. Therefore, make sure when buying jack stands, you get a pair with a weight rating higher than the vehicle you will be using them under. Also, even if a jack stand is individually stamped as “3-ton or 6-ton” it is still referring to its weight rating as a pair– confusing, to say the least."
 
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The ASME specification for jack stands rates them per pair. There is no (current) accepted engineering standard on how to rate a single jack stand. This is a change as of about 2015. That said, the test is to load a single stand with more than the rating for a pair for a period of time, and measure that both elastic and plastic deformation are less than the spec says. The reason for the change is because stands should be used in pairs (yes, there are lots of uses for a single stand, but in general you need two per end, and there are lots of failure paths that result in a single stand holding the load. if you have a 5 ton load, you might think you could use two stands rated at 3 tons each, and end up undersized. If you have stands rated per pair, you use the correct sized ones.
 
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What are you using them for? If you are working on heavy equipment that is near their capacity, I would use the branded piece, as they are likely to have better liability insurance. If you are just using them for general automotive work, and aren’t planning on stacking 4 pickup trucks on top of one another then use whichever you like better.
 
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What are you using them for? If you are working on heavy equipment that is near their capacity, I would use the branded piece, as they are likely to have better liability insurance. If you are just using them for general automotive work, and aren’t planning on stacking 4 pickup trucks on top of one another then use whichever you like better.
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I've heard this several times. The only thing their insurance is going to do is blame your "improper" use; flooring, or lack of it, lack of care, lack of inspection, etc to say it was your fault the stand failed. HF has their own insurance too. Inspect the tools before you buy it, HF isn't any worse than Sunex quality wise, all made in the same factories.
 
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Do people find this type of stand safer than a normal ESCO 3 ton or 6 ton if they make them? Looking at upgrading my normal 3 tons to something a bit more robust, but not sure if this sort of thing is nuts hah
 
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Do people find this type of stand safer than a normal ESCO 3 ton or 6 ton if they make them? Looking at upgrading my normal 3 tons to something a bit more robust, but not sure if this sort of thing is nuts hah
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Nuts? I'd say so, but It won't hurt to go overkill, othet than the weight and impact on your wallet.

I like my 3-legged esco's. Stable and the pads prevent digging into asphalt.
 
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Overkill is almost a guideline here on GJ. How many of us are using a 100+ pound bench vise to hold little bits of stuff we are working on? I put 12 ga. wire in conduit with a 20 amp breaker to run less than 500 watts of LED tubes in my 20x20 garage.

So using jack stands rated at triple or 10x times working load doesn’t seem like a bad idea.
 
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I have a couple pair of 22-ton jack stands and they are in fact rated as "per pair". I use mine quite extensively for RV repairs/inspections. I have an OTC set that I have had for about 20+ years and then I recently purchased a set of Carlyle about 3 years ago so I could raise the coach completely off the ground, not just one end at a time. My coach weighs just over 36k pounds so these are invaluable to be able to safely work on these size RV's.

Here you can see mine all the way to the back of the storage/RV bay. My set of Blue Point 6-ton one are in the foreground next to my 2-ton and 3.5-ton floor jacks. Also near the back is my 10-ton OTC floor jack and my 22/35-ton air over hydraulic bottle jack next to my Brannick strut compressor. The 22/35-ton air over hydraulic is usually used in conjunction with the 22-ton jack stands.
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Twenty-two ton jack stands as well as the 22/35-ton air over hydraulic jack in use.
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If you need them for your work envelope then they most certainly are not overkill, they're a necessity to be safe. Although, shiftless does bring up a common theme that overkill is more or less the standard here on GJ. :ROFLMAO:
 
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turnthewrench 2.0 said:
So, I bought one ESCO 22-Ton Jack Stand from Zoro. With the 20% coupon, I paid around $110.00. Advertised as 22 Ton per Jack - not pair. Only to find out HF started selling a similar model (overdue!). Visited the store today and couldn't tell any difference between the brands. Only HF advertises the Daytona as 22 Ton per pair.

I know steel matters, but both coming out of China...what gives?! If anything, the Daytona pin looked a bit thicker to me.

My ESCO

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Daytona pic From HF dot COM...Looks better in person.

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I looked at these the other day, and agree the stand appears to be seriously beefy...
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This phenomenon is also true of the new Esco-style Daytona puck stands.

I have a set of both the Esco and the new Daytona puck-style stands, and they seem to be very equivalent. I haven't weighed them, but the posts/etc. are interchangeable. The top of the Daytona stand is a different design, and the puck is attached to the post (which I like vs. the Esco design to be honest). HF claims them at 3 tons, but Esco says very-specifically on their site "3 tons (per stand)" - If that maps to a claim of 6 tons per pair, I have to say I would not trust the Esco set for that much weight. If I needed to support 12K lb., I'd probably have 10-ton stands.

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Harbor Freight is incorrect. https://agradetools.com/jack-stands-rating/

"After ASME PASE-2014 became effective in 2015 all jack stands must be rated per pair and not per individual stand. Previously, some companies were advertising jack stands with individual ratings, but in 2019 you will always be seeing jack stands rated as a pair. Therefore, a 6-ton rated jack stand has only a 3-ton maximum load individually. Therefore, make sure when buying jack stands, you get a pair with a weight rating higher than the vehicle you will be using them under. Also, even if a jack stand is individually stamped as “3-ton or 6-ton” it is still referring to its weight rating as a pair– confusing, to say the least."
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I'm confused - you're saying HF is incorrect, but my reading of that ASME bit would seem to say stands should be rated as a pair. ESCO is the only company I've seen rate stands singly.

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I am not sure I would get under 22 or 44 tons don't care whats holding it up.
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Maybe with a lot of cribbing and custom stands, etc. But yeah...

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Do people find this type of stand safer than a normal ESCO 3 ton or 6 ton if they make them? Looking at upgrading my normal 3 tons to something a bit more robust, but not sure if this sort of thing is nuts hah
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The 22-ton have a height-range to just-under 20" where the puck-style is rated to just-under 22". Personally, I do not like my Esco/Daytona puck stands under load at anything higher than 20", and most of the time I'm not going to get quite that high. With the 22-ton, the design looks like it would be completely stable at the top of its rated height.

Stands are supposed to have a lot of safety factor in these ratings, but I'm generally going to over-do it on load-rating/etc. The 22-ton are over three times heavier than the puck stands, so would be a bit onerous to sling around. I dig the design a lot though. A 10-ton version would be tempting if I needed any more stands.
 
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Overkill trumps killed under your vehicle.
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Indeed. That said, while I don't have statistics to back this opinion up, I'd say that 95%+ of people who die under vehicles are at fault for the event vs. any kind of equipment defect, either by setting the stands up incorrectly (not positioned properly on the vehicle, etc.) or using them incorrectly (e.g. more weight than rated, set up on a soft and/or uneven surface, etc.). It's probably very close to 100% since any failures causing death due to defect or design is going to light up recalls/etc. very quickly.

Some people think they know better, or they just don't know. But whatever.

While I have good stands and have always triple-checked everything I'm doing when putting the car on stands (and another pass if I'm going under it), that factor of user-error-is-what-kills-you is what eventually led me to give myself a present in the form of a QuickJack a few years ago. Not cheap, but Costco occasionally runs sales that knock it down to around a $1K (the deal I got was $999+tax delivered - think most-recently it was $1099). They're not as easy as a 2 or 4-post lift or a drive-over midrise, but I don't have room or money for those, and the QJ is pretty simple/repeatable, and is extremely stable, even at the max height.
 
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One thing I've noticed is that the current HF Daytona 3, 6, and 12 ton jack stands seem to be made by the same manufacturer that is making jack stands for some of the auto parts store brands (Pro Jack, maybe?) except that the HF sold ones are beefier in some cases or have an additional strap welded across a seam weld or lack the holes in the side that others have, etc.

I have a pair of Carlyle 22 Ton pin style stands and they look to be made the same way as the Harbor Freight ones.

What I occasionally wonder about also is what the effect of having two recalls on jack stands has done to Harbor Freight in terms of what they're willing to sell - that is to say, perhaps they're being more careful than other companies selling Chinese jack stands from the same manufacturers.
 
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Shiftless said:
Overkill is almost a guideline here on GJ. How many of us are using a 100+ pound bench vise to hold little bits of stuff we are working on? I put 12 ga. wire in conduit with a 20 amp breaker to run less than 500 watts of LED tubes in my 20x20 garage.

So using jack stands rated at triple or 10x times working load doesn’t seem like a bad idea.
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250lb+........
 
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US jack used to rate theirs per stand. They have now changed the the rating to per pair.

So if you bought their 6 ton stands back in 2010 they were rated per stand, but if you buy the same 6 ton stands today they will be rated per pair.
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Proof that ratings don't necessarily correspond to actual capacity, particularly when the rating is done by a mandatory procedure which does not provide for any individual stand ratings (under the auspice that support stands should always be used in pairs).
 
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Proof that ratings don't necessarily correspond to actual capacity, particularly when the rating is done by a mandatory procedure which does not provide for any individual stand ratings (under the auspice that support stands should always be used in pairs).
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Is ASME a mandatory procedure? I thought it was a set of standards, up to the factory who makes the stands to do the test, and then say that they qualify. I don’t think there is an independent testing group.
 
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Is ASME a mandatory procedure? I thought it was a set of standards, up to the factory who makes the stands to do the test, and then say that they qualify. I don’t think there is an independent testing group.
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There's a standard, manufacturers can self certify, some send a sample of production out to a third party. I don't know if the osha regulation on jack stands requires them to be certified to a standard, or not. There is a requirement that the have permanent capacity labeling from the manufacturer.

An attorney would have a field day with an employer using a jack stand not certified to the ASME standard when such stands are readily available, though, regardless of the requirement.
 
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