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Ya but what about the beef jerky?!??!
The Truck Tool Equivalents Thread - Gathering Data
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Tool Using Animal
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Bahco digital torque wrenches could have the same internals as Snap-On? Bahco is owned by Snap-On and the Bahco wrenches are made in USA. LEDs, button arrangements and LCDs are the same:
Snap-On:
Bahco:
Snap-On:
Bahco:
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I believe Napa sells beef jerky, LOL.
sweet victory
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Bahco digital torque wrenches could have the same internals as Snap-On? Bahco is owned by Snap-On and the Bahco wrenches are made in USA. LEDs, button arrangements and LCDs are the same:
Snap-On:
Bahco:
CDI Torque Tools is the division within SNA that produces these electronic bodies. That looks like the CDI ratcheting head - the only functional difference between a Snap On branded one and a CDI version is the Dual 80 ratcheting head. (At least that I'm aware of)
CDI Torque Tools CDI Torque Tools Page 12
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I've priced a CDI equivalent, and the price difference between the SO and CDI is insignificant - get the snap on branded one. I have several of these and they are fantastic.
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It's worth mentioning that SNA is slowly phasing out Irwin Hansen. They had a lot of supply chain issues with them during their plant relocation. Snap On will slowly be releasing extractors made in house.
Their first release were their multi-spline extractors: https://shop.snapon.com/product/Multispline-Extractors/25-pc-Multispline-Screw-Extractor-Set/REX25C
Their first release were their multi-spline extractors: https://shop.snapon.com/product/Multispline-Extractors/25-pc-Multispline-Screw-Extractor-Set/REX25C
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I am sure they are equivalent, but I don't think they are rebranded. Judging from forging and shape of torsion spring.
89MustangGX
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They really do look identical to me. Not seeing the differences you mention. Judging from other Lang tools rebranded by SO, it wouldn't surprise me either. But without having them in hand, I'm just judging by pictures...
sweet victory
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Wilde does in fact private label manufacture these pliers for Snap On. The Snap On variants do get different finishing options, but it does not affect the form, fit, or function.
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Snap On ECPND032:
KTC AL815V:
There are some minor differences, but if you watch some youtube videos about them, it becomes clear that it's essentially the same light.
KTC AL815V:
There are some minor differences, but if you watch some youtube videos about them, it becomes clear that it's essentially the same light.
89MustangGX
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I tried Googling for more info on these and I only found one link for the KTC and it was actually more expensive than the SO! They do look slightly different as well. Can you share more info on why these are the same and more specific with the theme of the thread- where to get a cheaper version of the SO?
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More info:
I bought mine on amazon.co.jp on Nov 29 for 3,558 JPY. A lot of the English language reviews there mention Snap-On. But it looks like it's out of stock now. As you probably know, a lot of stuff is on backorder these days. If there's only one supplier left, that's most likely a scalper.
89MustangGX
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Watched the video and can definitely see now they are not even the same size. Might be a nice light, and might even be made in the same place in China, but doesn't seem like an equivalent. Do they make another version that actually is the same size? Still possible that there could be an equivalent out there...
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The Snap On ECPND032 is hands down one of my favorite lights. I loved it so much I purchased a second one. Highly recommend! I doubt you will find an exact replica/rebrand of the SO, but I'm positive you can find the same light with a different handle/base.
Farmall450
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Lang 5220 ($39) = BluePoint BTWSMPK ($88)
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Edit: these are mini ratcheting drivers for standard hex bits. 3 piece set.
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Edit: these are mini ratcheting drivers for standard hex bits. 3 piece set.
Farmall450
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FYI Carlyle SER angled hose pinch pliers are Lang too (SER 1500 vs Lang 1500). The straight ones appear to be KD/Gearwrench (maybe old stock?).
With the Napa sale through the month (if not March) you're only saving ~$10-15.
With the Napa sale through the month (if not March) you're only saving ~$10-15.
Joe Piro
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If I have missed a post on this please correct me or direct me to it. However I spent some time trying to find a Snap-on TechAngle torque wrench equivalent. I know that the quick answer is usually that CDI is a Snap-on Industrial Brand, but so is Norbar.
The Norbar ProTronic 340 (#130520) (1/2" drive, 17-340 Nm (equal to 13 - 250 ft lb) sells for approximately $820, and it looks a lot like the Snap-on ATECH3FR250B which is 1/2" drive, 12.5 - 250 ft lb and lists for $710.
The Norbar ProTronicPlus 340 sells for approx. $1367 (WOW!) and I'm not sure what the additional bells and whistles are. I got lost trying to figure it out.
But everybody on GJ who has a SO TechAngle claims that it couldn't be any better. SO claims the COO is USA.
Norbar headquarters is in the UK which might be a reason SO doesn't feature it.
I don't know. Any opinions or experience with Norbar ProTronic? A quick search does show a vendor in the USA in South Elgin, Illinois (their prices quoted above).
The Norbar ProTronic 340 (#130520) (1/2" drive, 17-340 Nm (equal to 13 - 250 ft lb) sells for approximately $820, and it looks a lot like the Snap-on ATECH3FR250B which is 1/2" drive, 12.5 - 250 ft lb and lists for $710.
The Norbar ProTronicPlus 340 sells for approx. $1367 (WOW!) and I'm not sure what the additional bells and whistles are. I got lost trying to figure it out.
But everybody on GJ who has a SO TechAngle claims that it couldn't be any better. SO claims the COO is USA.
Norbar headquarters is in the UK which might be a reason SO doesn't feature it.
I don't know. Any opinions or experience with Norbar ProTronic? A quick search does show a vendor in the USA in South Elgin, Illinois (their prices quoted above).
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CDI is Snap-On owned and Snap-On-made ratcheting products do share some parts with a few Bahco products. I would start with Bahco, but I don't know if your goal is just to find a happier price point, nor if they would have the features you're wanting.
Joe Piro
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Thanks for your reply. I'm trying to find a happier price point (which is easy) and not sacrifice features (not so easy).
That's the reason I follow the Truck Tool Equivalents thread: to get the same tool from the original brand/manufacturer without sacrificing features. In the case of torque wrenches that may not be possible. (I know there are a lot of brands that don't inspire confidence and some that are pretty good but I am willing to pay up this time).
I always expected Snap-on to be the most expensive, but not in this case. I was surprised at how expensive Tohnichi is (thinking I could import directly and save a lot of money but they are still pricey). Same with Norbar.
Thanks for the suggestion... I will do so.
This looks like a case where the Snap-on TechAngle really puts in a lot of features for the money and has a lot of happy users.
I have done a lot of reading since I posted this, and I will probably end up with Precision Torque Dial gauge wrenches because I can read the dial, and add on an angle adapter.
I have an older Snap-on split beam (40-250) probably made by PI that I bought for $75 in a pawn shop. It has been tested and is quite accurate. I just was day dreaming about an upgrade I guess.
And I need a 4-100 inch pound wrench to assemble a VW Jetta TDI DSG transmission (TTY bolts and torque plus angle).
I'll return the HF Icon wrench I thought I would try out because I need a value down range where it is not accurate and I cannot read the tiny numbers on the barrel.
And I'll check the Bahco (Tool truck equivalent).
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Which year / location or PN are the bokts?
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I'll try to be brief and stay on topic which is "Truck Tool Equivalents" for Snap-on TechAngle torque wrenches.
There are ten bolts that secure the Mechatronics Relay Module to the front of the transmission.
The part number is VW N-105-540-05. Two photos are attached. The torque spec is 5Nm which is approximately 44 inch pounds...plus 90 degrees. The 44 inch pound setting is at the beginning of the range on the Icon 40-200 inch pounds torque wrench that I bought so it can't be counted on for accuracy. I sure would like to find a less expensive alternative to the Snap-on 1/4" Drive Flex-Head TechAngle® Micro Torque Wrench (4-100 in-lb) that lists for $695.00.
BTW when I re-install the transmission, the mounting bolts to the two-piece aluminum mount to the driver side frame are also Torque Plus Angle and Torque to Yield (and also the Dual Mass Flywheel bolts to the crank shaft (44 ft pounds plus 90 degrees). And all are supposed to be replaced with new.
Thanks for your interest and advice.
And to answer your question it's a 2006 Jetta TDi.
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ChevyEFI
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Torque-to-yield requires a smooth shank equal or smaller than thread minor diameter. N-105-540-05 has no possibility to be torque-to-yield. "Must be replaced" and "<torque value> + <angle>" are commonly assumed to be TTY bolt indicators but are not *guarantees* of it.
The accuracy at low values seems like a good reason to make sure you have good tooling. And the ability to go tq + angle easily vs. having to get into separate wrench + angle gauge seems like a good time saver. But, it could all be done with more basic tools.
The accuracy at low values seems like a good reason to make sure you have good tooling. And the ability to go tq + angle easily vs. having to get into separate wrench + angle gauge seems like a good time saver. But, it could all be done with more basic tools.
44 ft pounds plus 90 degrees.....that kinda **** drives me nuts , just call it *** ft pounds and be done with it ......
I'll try to be brief and stay on topic which is "Truck Tool Equivalents" for Snap-on TechAngle torque wrenches.
There are ten bolts that secure the Mechatronics Relay Module to the front of the transmission.
The part number is VW N-105-540-05. Two photos are attached. The torque spec is 5Nm which is approximately 44 inch pounds...plus 90 degrees. The 44 inch pound setting is at the beginning of the range on the Icon 40-200 inch pounds torque wrench that I bought so it can't be counted on for accuracy. I sure would like to find a less expensive alternative to the Snap-on 1/4" Drive Flex-Head TechAngle® Micro Torque Wrench (4-100 in-lb) that lists for $695.00.
BTW when I re-install the transmission, the mounting bolts to the two-piece aluminum mount to the driver side frame are also Torque Plus Angle and Torque to Yield (and also the Dual Mass Flywheel bolts to the crank shaft (44 ft pounds plus 90 degrees). And all are supposed to be replaced with new.
Thanks for your interest and advice.
And to answer your question it's a 2006 Jetta TDi.
Farmall450
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Way more accurate, hence why Engines & Transmissions use this format.
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I'll try to be brief and stay on topic which is "Truck Tool Equivalents" for Snap-on TechAngle torque wrenches.
There are ten bolts that secure the Mechatronics Relay Module to the front of the transmission.
The part number is VW N-105-540-05. Two photos are attached. The torque spec is 5Nm which is approximately 44 inch pounds...plus 90 degrees. The 44 inch pound setting is at the beginning of the range on the Icon 40-200 inch pounds torque wrench that I bought so it can't be counted on for accuracy. I sure would like to find a less expensive alternative to the Snap-on 1/4" Drive Flex-Head TechAngle® Micro Torque Wrench (4-100 in-lb) that lists for $695.00.
BTW when I re-install the transmission, the mounting bolts to the two-piece aluminum mount to the driver side frame are also Torque Plus Angle and Torque to Yield (and also the Dual Mass Flywheel bolts to the crank shaft (44 ft pounds plus 90 degrees). And all are supposed to be replaced with new.
Thanks for your interest and advice.
And to answer your question it's a 2006 Jetta TDi.
90 degrees is pretty easy to eye ball. You could mark with a fine point sharpie and turn a quarter turn.
For the 44 in pounds, you could try this Precision Instruments M1R200HX. Precision Instruments is very nice stuff, rebranded by the tool trucks. The main difference is the tool truck brands will add their own ratcheting head to it, but the body/internals remains the same.
1/4" Drive Micrometer Click Wrench - M1R200HX
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Lisle makes a manual torque angle meter if you need to final torque to weird angles.
The torque and angle process provides for much more accurate clamp load and consequent more evenness on a part with a big span like a cylinder head.
The variation comes from friction being all over the place. Angle has nothing to do with friction. So the fastener can be more accurately stretched to achieve the desired clamp load with the angle method.
I can explain in more detail if you have questions. …….
My last employer had torque and angle specs for all critical fasteners: rod bearings, main bearings, cylinder head, and flywheel.
35 years ago the manufacturing line used people to tighten the bolts to a torque. They would put the biggest guys on head bolts and main bolts and rotate every two hours to a different station on the line. This was at a 150 or so engine per day build rate.
Now the critical fasteners have an Atlas Copco torque unit that tightens these bolts automatically at the prescribed torque/angle process at an 800 engine per day build rate.
You can see torque units at 2:33 and 3:28.
35 years ago the manufacturing line used people to tighten the bolts to a torque. They would put the biggest guys on head bolts and main bolts and rotate every two hours to a different station on the line. This was at a 150 or so engine per day build rate.
Now the critical fasteners have an Atlas Copco torque unit that tightens these bolts automatically at the prescribed torque/angle process at an 800 engine per day build rate.
You can see torque units at 2:33 and 3:28.
A good explanation of why manufactures use torque-angle-tightening. https://www.boltscience.com/pages/a-case-study-in-torque-angle-tightening.pdf
Farmall450
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When we make our engines the heads are torqued by torque, then angle.
Same for trans cases. Anything you want flat, really.
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Who makes LSR1500 for blue-point? It's a 5 piece flip socket set made in USA for damaged/locking lug nuts.
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have had the BP branded set for yrs and its more than paid for its self. my SO dealers have always warrantied the sockets after the flutes got worn out and did not grip as well even tho they are listed as a consumable item. just something to consider 
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Anyone know who makes Matco SRFM102PA?
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MAC R.B.R.T.™ Combination Wrench
does anyone know who's OEM for these?ChevyEFI
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Aren't those long-pattern variants of Facom 440? Mostly Taiwan, right?
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Gripedge Tools held the original patent to the RBRT tech, and had a deal with MAC to be the exclusive dealer. The patent has now run out and Gripedge is now selling them to the public. I'm unsure however if MAC's wrenches were part of that deal or not. https://www.gripedgetools.com/