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The Little Welder That Could... (easily get carried up to the roof)

Jack Olsen

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My house has a patio area that partially covered by roof and partially covered by open beams. My wife and I like it a lot, except that we recently got concerned about our two-year-old playing there during the day -- we didn't like him out in the direct sunlight that much. So I tacked up some shade fabric to the underside of the beams. It wasn't pretty, but it filtered the sun.

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There's no such thing as snow load, here. And the area above the patio is pretty well protected from the wind. So I decided to try curving some lengths of steel to make a new structure to support some lighter-colored sun shade that would sit up higher than the beams and hopefully have less of a claustrophobic effect.

Making the ribs was pretty simple. I used my Millermatic 211 to weld the legs and base pieces to steel I bent with a roll bender.

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Here the pieces are, ready for paint.

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Here they are held in place with clamps. You can see christmas lights (pushed aside, in some places) we use to light the deck at night.

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The trick was that I needed to weld perpendicular end pieces to the frame (and one in the center) to add some strength to the very light structure. Pulling the welder and the tank up on the roof was out of the question, and my lead wouldn't reach that high. So I figured I would just tote the 75-pound welder up and run flux core wire.

Still, the thing weighs 75 pounds.

Except this morning I remembered that I bought a Harbor Freight stick welder a couple of years back. It's 110v, 80 amps, and welds DC. I have 5/64 6013 rods for it that I've never used.

I've never stick welded at all.

But the thing only weighs 8 pounds. And it was over 90 degrees today.

So I decided to teach myself stick.

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These welds aren't what I would consider structural. If they all failed simultaneously, the shade fabric would still stay in place, and it would also hold up the piece that broke loose. So I'm comfortable with the amateur stick welds I did this afternoon:

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But here's a small vote for occasional use of a machine that cost me about $80 on sale. Its low weight and small size don't give it any real advantage in the shop. But climbing up and down a ladder, it's a lot nicer to haul 8 pounds than 75. Plus, the thing is smaller than a welding helmet. It made my work a lot easier today.

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I'm going to do the other side in a few days -- hopefully the temps will drop. I'll post some pictures when it's done.
 
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Looks good Jack; for portable use on light gauge stock nothing wrong with that. I would be a bit concerned about the wing area when the winds blow. Is the cover material designed to tear away?

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Nicely done Jack, as usual.

I recently put up an arbor over my driveway in the backyard in front of my detaiched garage. I made it of galvanized 2-3/8" chain link fence pipe. I used mechanical connections because I don't trust my welding abilities yet. It works and is solid but is clunky frankly. MUCH less elegant than yours will be I think. Make sure to keep posting progress pictures. Best, Dan
 

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Dude that will be pretty sweet. I like it a lot. Its great for your son to get out of the sun and be healthy. Good luck with the rest.
 

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Looks good.. nice looking patio. It's projects like yours that motivate the rest of us to fab cool stuff. Good solution to your welding predicament. I like my little Lincoln flux for welding situations just like that.
 

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Where'd you find it and what type of fabric is it? I need to make a shade for my dog's pen.
 
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Thanks, guys.

I would be a bit concerned about the wing area when the winds blow. Is the cover material designed to tear away?
Yes. Although the stuff I stuck up there on the underside of the beams has held up fine with just staples. It's a mesh, so some of the air passes through it.

But my thinking with the new stuff was to have a strong way to hold it that would ultimately 'surrender' if the wind forces got to be too much. If it can let go without damaging the fabric, I can always just put it back up. To that end, I went to the office supplies cabinet and took out 200 little helpers:

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They got painted yesterday. The little chrome handles come off once you've snapped the thing in place. I think if I place one every 5", they'll have a lot of holding power. They're also powder coated, and then painted again with Rustoleum, so I'm hoping rust won't be an issue.

At least, that's the plan.
 
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Where'd you find it and what type of fabric is it? I need to make a shade for my dog's pen.
It was the expensive part of the project. It's made of 100% polyethylene and is guaranteed for 10 years in the sun. A 12 Ft. x 50 Ft. piece cost me $219 through Home Depot online. The stores sell smaller pieces. It blocks 70% of sun and UV, and is made by Coolaroo. I got the new stuff in the 'Sandstone' color, since I thought the black looked too dark from below.

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The tiles were so hot it was burning my feet through the soles of my shoes.

I learned I have a lot of wasps, too. Running a grinder on the steel brought them out from under the tiles.
 

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Jack,

Do you ever do anything half assed? Every project you do makes me more embarrassed, it is a good thing my girlfriend doesn't see this forum. I would have a honey do list ten times as long! As always, amazing work.
 
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He does re-writes....

But there's nothing "re-written" about his metal work!!! Great stuff and thanks for posting it!
 

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It was the expensive part of the project. It's made of 100% polyethylene and is guaranteed for 10 years in the sun. A 12 Ft. x 50 Ft. piece cost me $219 through Home Depot online. The stores sell smaller pieces. It blocks 70% of sun and UV, and is made by Coolaroo. I got the new stuff in the 'Sandstone' color, since I thought the black looked too dark from below.

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COOLAROO LINK

Thanks man!
 

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I think that Jack has the ability to bring the appropriate level of technology to bear on his projects. A small stick welder is perfect for an on site awning project, after all how much of the world's steel work has been done with stick welding.
Great work on the awning as usual.
 
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Thanks, guys. I write for the movies. But because of the kind of work I do, my name is hard to find.

I got the crosspieces finished and started stretching the fabric out today. I got it to the point where three sides are presentable. Here's what it looks like from below.

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And here's a picture where you can see the frame and the shade fabric more. When you're actually there, it's almost hard to notice.

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Nicely done Jack, as usual.

I recently put up an arbor over my driveway in the backyard in front of my detaiched garage. I made it of galvanized 2-3/8" chain link fence pipe. I used mechanical connections because I don't trust my welding abilities yet. It works and is solid but is clunky frankly. MUCH less elegant than yours will be I think. Make sure to keep posting progress pictures. Best, Dan

I get excited when people mention galvanized and welding in the same sentence. It can be deadly. Make sure you know what you are doing.

Google "metal fume fever" for more info.
 
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I took two more pictures to show how different it looks in different lighting.

Here it is at night, with the little Christmas tree lights providing that 1980's-Italian-restaurant look.

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And then it was overcast this morning:

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In the second picture you can see some of the binder clips I'm using to hold it in place, as well as some excess fabric I haven't trimmed on the back side. I've still got some finishing to do.

I get excited when people mention galvanized and welding in the same sentence. It can be deadly. Make sure you know what you are doing.

Google "metal fume fever" for more info.
Actually, there are no known long-term health risks associated with metal fume fever -- although no one wants to go through the 2-3 days of flu-like symptoms it can bring. If you use a wire brush on an angle grinder to prep your welds, then you can take the zinc coating off before you weld. Indoors, you should wear a respirator made for these types of fumes. Outdoors, you should wear a respirator if possible, but at least stay upwind of the stuff and grind 3/4 of an inch clean before you weld.

(At least, that's what I've been told. It's possible I could be wrong.)
 
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I don't know... I would consider DEATH a fairly long-term health risk.

It sounds like you know what you're doing as far as prep work, ventilation, etc. Many novices read these forums and may not be aware of the hazards. I have welded galvanized pipe many times before I knew the hazards. I was plain lucky.

Apologies for hijacking this thread.
 

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Actually, there are no known long-term health risks associated with metal fume fever -- although no one wants to go through the 2-3 days of flu-like symptoms it can bring. If you use a wire brush on an angle grinder to prep your welds, then you can take the zinc coating off before you weld. Indoors, you should wear a respirator made for these types of fumes. Outdoors, you should wear a respirator if possible, but at least stay upwind of the stuff and grind 3/4 of an inch clean before you weld.

(At least, that's what I've been told. It's possible I could be wrong.)

According to OSHA, MSHA, and others you should be wearing respirator with the appropriate filters when welding galvanized. In fact your the first person I have ever had say it was okay not to wear a respirator while welding galvanized and I have spent a lot of time working in and around welding trades.
 
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I was talking about welding steel with the galvanization taken off with an angle grinder.

To be safe, wear a respirator.

I don't believe there is a meaningful risk of death from Metal Fume Fever. But I am not a doctor, so take that with a grain of salt.
 
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Bringing things back on topic with my final pieces of (over)documentation...

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One odd thing is that the new structure seems to get almost no buffeting from the wind at all. Maybe it's the way the wind passes over the adjacent sections of roof, but the little cover I made for where I park my car (you can see it in the lower left of the third picture) moves around in the slightest breeze, while the big sheet above it sits still.

We'll see how things go when we get some stronger winds, though. There's something a little 'wing like' to the shape of the roof and canopy...
 
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Thanks.

(A_Pmech, I've seen some of your work here. Compared to you, I'm a retarded monkey who got locked in the shop overnight with a plugged-in chop saw and a Mig gun. So I appreciate the compliment.)
 
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Never really got to see what a crazy roof my place has. That's all part of one single-story house -- and the footprint is the same as when it was built in 1925.

What were they thinking?
 

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I don't always comment, but I always read your project threads because you're always up to something new and interesting. It's obvious you plan things out carefully before proceeding and obtain the desired result the first time. Your fence build was a prime example. I like to see that kind of craftsmanship in action.

You can make that chop saw and MIG gun dance.

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Thanks.

(A_Pmech, I've seen some of your work here. Compared to you, I'm a retarded monkey who got locked in the shop overnight with a plugged-in chop saw and a Mig gun. So I appreciate the compliment.)
 
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