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. I was told that Winchester-labelled hand planes and some other woodworking tools were made by Sargent, also of New Haven.
thanks for the pointer. Sargent also made planes for the Craftsman label, so not really a stretch. You should then be able to tell Sargent made by the circle if the keyhole slot being at the top, instead of the bottom, of the blade. Here are two Sargent and two Millers Falls made planes.

Don’t believe I own any Winchester planes.




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I was visiting some incarcerated tools in & around Mansfield PA today, and a few had been purchased! So, after having left this overpriced 1522 S-wrench behind many times, I finally paroled it, to join my 1514. It has the previously-discussed obsolete “STD” sizes stamped on it.
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Found these tiny dikes today. The stamp is a bit light around the “WINCH” but otherwise they are in great condition. The whole stamp reads “MADE IN USA WINCHESTER TRADE MARK”
 

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Having a Mandela Effect moment here… thought I’d glance at my previous posts…but I don’t have any.
Hmm…I know I’ve posted Champion pattern screwdrivers on the Show Our Wood thread, but I realyy thought I’d posted other W tools, here.
Not finding the posts, I figured, hey, I’ll just make a new family portrait and post that. Now I can’t find the actual tools, either. Maybe in a different timeline? Parallel universe?
Well, someday, when I get my head out of my *** and straighten up my hoard, I may have more to share.
Finally pawed through the right bin and pooled all my Winchester for one group photo.
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I think this is a Winchester. Based on what we've learned about the "CHAMPION" branding (it's on the shank, between two ovals) and the "lug-and-notch" or keyed ferrule. It's handsome!
 

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Picked up a no1607 DOE. It’s thin enough, I wonder if it is a check nut wrench. The other straight DOE I have is a no1222, which seems like a different series.
 

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This one is not marked Winchester, or Champion, but based on the shape and the lug-and-notch ferrule, I'm guessing they made it.

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The only marking I see says MULTIGRAPH, which led down a fun little rabbit hole.

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Two diverse drivers from today’s flea outing. The little guy is just stamped “Champion” on the shank. The big guy with the red vinyl tape is stamped “Winchester” on the brass ferrule. It came apart easily when I removed the tape (just like the housewife in the folk tale). IMG_0213.jpegIMG_0216.jpeg
I’ve degreased the wood handle and will glue it back together after the solvent evaporates.
 

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I decided on epoxy to fill the voids in the split handle, and epoxy wood putty where abuse had chipped a ring of wood away from the steel ****. IMG_0256.jpeg
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I wouldn’t usually shine up brass like that, but I wanted to smooth out the myriad dings. It will darken again in time, and I didn’t polish away the stamp.IMG_0277.jpegSo it joins two others, plus the smaller Champion. Note the ferrule is steel, not brass on that one.IMG_0279.jpeg
 

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Hi Tom. Not to cast any aspersions on your father or uncle, but note that Remington Cutlery was established in 1920. Before WWI, two countries dominated the knife market: England (Sheffield) and Germany (Solingen). In WWI, England lost its expertise - quite literally in action, and Germany lost its export customer base to resentment. Remington, fat with WWI cash, cleverly stepped into the abyss with Remington Cutlery. Their investment and truly innovative manufacturing processes allowed them to produce up to 10,000 high quality knives per day throughout the Roaring 20's, a full decade before the Great Depression struck. Perhaps it helped them somewhat with retention, but the economic effects were fairly widespread across products, so it was kind of hard for any company to avoid it in a zero sum game. They sold the division to PAL Cutlery just before WWII, as you mentioned.

Winchester is a much different story. They did not make knives, per se. In 1919, also fat with WWI cash, also well before the Great Depression, they bought out the Eagle Pocket Knife Company, which was also located in New Haven, including the plant, and all the employees. Winchester did not make most of the tools, housewares, and sporting goods that they sold through their mail order catalog and in a few of their retail stores, either. Essentially, Winchester attempted to 'Sears & Roebuck' themselves into a nationwide general store, literally banking on their name ("As Good As The Gun" was the slogan), and failed miserably. They went so far "all in" on this plan that they merged, in 1922, with one of Sears, Roebuck, & Co's competitors, E.C. Simmons. When everything crashed in 1929, they crashed with it. The partnership was dissolved in 1931, Winchester was sold, and the buyers re-concentrated on guns only. The popularity of the tools as collectibles, now in its second, very waning wave, is almost strictly a byproduct of the near-mythic "red-blooded" popularity of the firearms and the name and its legacy.
I think Remington Cutlery Division ran from 1920 to 1940 What does PAL stand for?

Winchester's woodworking tools were probably made by Sargent, rebadging their own tools.
 

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A quick search tells “Pal” started as a Utica Knife & Razor Co trademark in the 1920s, but another has them independent in ‘31, another in ‘35…mergers, trades, purchases, etc.
Whatever the actual history, I think Pal (so not PAL) is just the word pal, like chum, buddy, friend.
 
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What does PAL stand for?
Whatever the actual history, I think Pal (so not PAL) is just the word pal, like chum, buddy, friend.
I don't think it stands for anything. I apologize for the late reply on this, guys. I tend to capitalize it because that's the way it appears on the knives. I own several, fighting knives and electrician's knives. Pal Blade Company had three locations during WWII - the original plant in Plattsburgh, NY, and also NY, NY and Holyoke, Mass.
 

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Picked this hacksaw/meatsaw with maple handle out of a dumpster yesterday.......I was unable to find another example of this particular saw.
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That has a bit of a Frankenstein look to it. The handle looks replaced, and the top of the back as bowed as it is, looks like two not quite the same halves were mated.

How far apart are the divots in the top for adjusting length? Looks like set up for 12" now, and if 1" apart, you can go down to 8", but who has seen 9" or 11" blades? Plus the divots look kinda rough for a Winchester tool.

But I would look in the catalogs for an adjustable length hacksaw, ignore the handles, look at the far end for a match.


The second one here is possible your tool.

 

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I did see one with that handle style. The rivet patterns where the blade attaches seem to be consistent. I'll check the adjustment distance......
 

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The subject of Winchester hand tools and house hold items like meat grinders is very interesting. Living within a 12 mile radius of New Haven CT for over sixty years I just bought a 6 inch slip joint pair of pliers with wire side cutters for two dollars at an indoor second hand market. Over 50 % of the tools I own are second hand purchases from flea markets and tag sales yet this is the first time I actually come across a Winchester tool: the tool marking has the classic script font Winchester below ----TRADE MARK--- third line --MADE IN U.S.A.-- (no part numbers). Also the pliers shows some signs of moderate use on the jaws still retaining 95 % if its chrome plating with minimal oxidation. Can it be a forgery? If it was die struck there is no chipping of the chrome....... Any thoughts welcomed.
 

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^ When I am poking through old catalogs and trade journals from that era, I run into "Winchester" frequently.
A better question might be: "What did they not make?"

Winchester at International Tool Catalog Library

Winchester / Winchester Repeating Arms Co., New Haven, CT / patent 1409672 Mar 14 1922 Guy C. Claypoole / https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=427094 /

I don't save the magazine ads for Winchester toasters, egg beaters, and other kitchen appliances... never thought of it.
 

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I just bought a 6 inch slip joint pair of pliers with wire side cutters...[ ]...the tool marking has the classic script font Winchester below ----TRADE MARK--- third line --MADE IN U.S.A.-- (no part numbers).
Post a pic. And there are a couple posted in the thread for comparison. These, posted by me, and these, posted by @d42jeep.
 
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A better question might be: "What did they not make
"What did they have made for them" might be the best question.

Like Craftsman, JCP, MW, etc, and I imagine Stiletto, Cleancut, Keen Kutter... mostly private labeled stuff.

Like when I was working for the brewery, by the time I left my their merchandise catalog had anything in it. Umbrellas underwear, binoculars... Whatever you wanted to pay to have your name in.
 

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^ After WWI those arms manufacturers lost their military contracts. Winchester was one that tried to keep men working and on the payroll, and they were actually stamping stuff out. I have a big "Winchester" pipe wrench (posted here) - there's no reason to think they weren't capable of stamping out that wrench.
But to your point: outsourcing by tool "manufacturers" was more commonplace than what some would like to believe. (I won't mention any brands that start with "S" and end with "n".) :cool:

Perhaps my question would have been better phrased as "What did they not have other manufacturers stamp their name on?"

(But then, that would be one of those poorly constructed prepositional phrases up with which we should not put.)
 
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