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Insanely bad customer service experience from Matco

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I bought some sockets from Matco and they sucked so I wanted to return them. I was within the 30day return window so I figured I’d be all good, right? Nope. Apparently using an item renders it ineligible for return.

Nevermind the fact that their website doesn’t mention this anywhere, the actual written return policy seems to imply the opposite:

Right now - for our Internet customers* only (*excludes Commercial accounts) - Matco offers a 30-day return on most products.
Items marked as non-refundable cannot be returned for refund but can be exchanged if defective.
If you are not fully satisfied within 30 days, return the product for a refund as long as product is marked eligible for return.
Return Goods Authorization (RGA) required for return.
Matco pays return shipping costs.
Credit for original order amount (less original shipping costs) will be applied to customer's credit card.

To me , this implies heavily that the user can use a tool to try it out and return it if it fails to meet expectations. How the hell am I supposed to know if I’ll be satisfied or not unless I try the tool out?

The wireless rep on the phone gave me some ******** about “satisfied” refers to ordering the item and verifying that it’s the correct tool for the job, or something like that. Seemed like CYA to me.

If they don’t want to accept returns on items that have seen use, fine that’s their prerogative. But they should clearly state this on their website. The way it’s written right now is deceptive at best.
 
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Did you ask for it to be escalated? People make mistakes...
Well I spoke with one guy and he checked with his supervisor. got off the phone and double checked the website, and then called back and spoke with someone else and they told me the same thing despite me reading their return policy to them. So I figured that was it.

You think it’s worth calling back again and asking to speak with a manager?
 

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Well I spoke with one guy and he checked with his supervisor. got off the phone and double checked the website, and then called back and spoke with someone else and they told me the same thing despite me reading their return policy to them. So I figured that was it.

You think it’s worth calling back again and asking to speak with a manager?
Nothing to lose but a little time. I think your request is reasonable

Whats wrong with the sockets to make them this bad?
 

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Call one more time and let them know you will be forced to do a chargeback on your card if they can't help you. Unless they were marked non-refundable they need to take care of you based on their refund policy.
 
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Nothing to lose but a little time. I think your request is reasonable

Whats wrong with the sockets to make them this bad?

They’re a 6-pt spline design described as “Pro Non Slip”. Similar to the surface drive design featured by Koken. Well, on Friday they rounded a fastener off to the point where neither the “pro non slip” socket nor a regular 6pt socket would turn it. Fortunately I was able to use an extractor socket to get the fastener off. Mentioned it to another mechanic and he said that he’d been burned by those sockets in a similar manner more than once.

Secondly, they’re wearing very fast. This 13mm has seen maybe 15-20 fasteners and is already experiencing significant wear. Pictured next to an unused 14mm:IMG_2077.jpeg

Sure, I could warranty it but what’s the point if they round fasteners off? Between that and the rapid wear, I’ll just stick with my HF 6pt impacts.
 

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Call one more time and let them know you will be forced to do a chargeback on your card if they can't help you. Unless they were marked non-refundable they need to take care of you based on their refund policy.
You can try this but a charge back is not guaranteed. May get them to take action, though
 
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Call one more time and let them know you will be forced to do a chargeback on your card if they can't help you. Unless they were marked non-refundable they need to take care of you based on their refund policy.
That’s a fantastic idea. Gotta get back to work but I’ll update after I call back this afternoon.
 

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That’s a fantastic idea. Gotta get back to work but I’ll update after I call back this afternoon.
The credit card company will ask if you received the product you ordered, and they will ask if you have contacted the vendor. Yes for both, so they will not give you a credit on the card.
 

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The credit card company will ask if you received the product you ordered, and they will ask if you have contacted the vendor. Yes for both, so they will not give you a credit on the card.
The point of a charge back is for when you can't resolve an issue with a vendor. Not just to dispute whether you got something or not
 

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Based on simple reading of policy it certainly appears (to me anyway) the tools should be returnable within 30 days. But they do use some ambiguous language which may be legalese. You apparently need to be registered, obtain a return authorization and the tools must be "eligible for return". Unfortunately that may be the catch. For example "eligible for return" may mean that they are in unused condition and in original packaging so that they may be resold. And this determination may be at the discretion of the customer service rep that needs to issue the return authorization. I hope you can return them but wouldn't be surprised if they don't accept them. Good luck.
 
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The credit card company will ask if you received the product you ordered, and they will ask if you have contacted the vendor. Yes for both, so they will not give you a credit on the card.
Thats not been my experience with Charge Back either, my CC and banks have typically honored my request regardless
 

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I meant it as a threat, but having been on the smelly end of chargebacks it seems very easy for people to get them regardless of the circumstances. From a business standpoint we would get a form to fill out to dispute it, but I don't ever remember it working in our favor no matter how dumb the reason was. We had a lifetime warranty and always took care of our customers but would get chargebacks without the person contacting us 3-4 times a year.
 

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I bought some sockets from Matco and they sucked so I wanted to return them. I was within the 30day return window so I figured I’d be all good, right? Nope. Apparently using an item renders it ineligible for return.

Nevermind the fact that their website doesn’t mention this anywhere, the actual written return policy seems to imply the opposite:



To me , this implies heavily that the user can use a tool to try it out and return it if it fails to meet expectations. How the hell am I supposed to know if I’ll be satisfied or not unless I try the tool out?

The wireless rep on the phone gave me some ******** about “satisfied” refers to ordering the item and verifying that it’s the correct tool for the job, or something like that. Seemed like CYA to me.

If they don’t want to accept returns on items that have seen use, fine that’s their prerogative. But they should clearly state this on their website. The way it’s written right now is deceptive at best.
That return policy literally says,

If you are not fully satisfied within 30 days, return the product for a refund as long as product is marked eligible for return.”

That definitely sounds like “I’m not satisfied” is a perfectly valid return reason, and that Matco should give you your money back, and that not doing do is fraudulent.
 

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That return policy literally says,

If you are not fully satisfied within 30 days, return the product for a refund as long as product is marked eligible for return.”

That definitely sounds like “I’m not satisfied” is a perfectly valid return reason, and that Matco should give you your money back, and that not doing do is fraudulent.
As long as product is marked eligible for return... That's the rub.

They don't meet the condition requirements for a return
 

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That return policy literally says,

If you are not fully satisfied within 30 days, return the product for a refund as long as product is marked eligible for return.”

That definitely sounds like “I’m not satisfied” is a perfectly valid return reason, and that Matco should give you your money back, and that not doing do is fraudulent.
What does "as long as product is marked eligible for return" mean?
 

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Were the items shipped to you from out of state, or were you billed from an address that was not in your home state?
I had an issue with a cell phone order were I received an empty box, and the I received a refund when I used the term “interstate commerce fraud”.
 

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What does "as long as product is marked eligible for return" mean?
Presumably certain items are not “eligible for return”, and it should be made clear along with the listing which items are not “eligible for return”.
(Things like underwear cannot be returned to a retailer, and then resold under a number of laws, and the sane goes for certain other types of product).
 
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Presumably certain items are not “eligible for return”, and it should be made clear along with the listing which items are not “eligible for return”.
(Things like underwear cannot be returned to a retailer, and then resold under a number of laws, and the sane goes for certain other types of product).
My guess is used tools are not eligible for return in this instance.
 

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I don't know what to say, sounds like a bad business plan on Matco's part.

I remember an old story that I never forgot, back in the day we had a very old department store, sadly they were sold and are no longer; in business, but here is the story. It seems one day a little old lady brought in a shirt and I don't remember the complaint, but she wanted her money back, fair enough. Well, the salesman tried his best to tell her he could not help her, when the head of the store pulled him away and whispered in his ear give her the money back, even though she did not have a receipt. So, the salesman gave her the money back and the little old lady left very happy.

The owner smiled and thought oh another happy customer, too which the salesman replied, you do know the shirt came from J.C. Penney and we are not that store, but the owner said, we will have her coming back for the rest of her life. True story.

Matco will lose this customer and not get them back.
 

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Matco might win on this one…

But like said above

I dont think he will ever buy from them again, which is a LOOSE!




we went out to dinner one night service was terrible and food was JUST ok

haven’t been back! Won’t go back ! Why would we go, in hopes that they learned to cook better and actually have some sort of service…
 

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They’re a 6-pt spline design described as “Pro Non Slip”. Similar to the surface drive design featured by Koken. Well, on Friday they rounded a fastener off to the point where neither the “pro non slip” socket nor a regular 6pt socket would turn it. Fortunately I was able to use an extractor socket to get the fastener off. Mentioned it to another mechanic and he said that he’d been burned by those sockets in a similar manner more than once.

Secondly, they’re wearing very fast. This 13mm has seen maybe 15-20 fasteners and is already experiencing significant wear. Pictured next to an unused 14mm:IMG_2077.jpeg

Sure, I could warranty it but what’s the point if they round fasteners off? Between that and the rapid wear, I’ll just stick with my HF 6pt impacts.
Are these 6 point spline sockets impact rated?

I think the Matco stance will be spline impact sockets should be used on spline bolts not 6pt bolts.
 

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Correct. They don’t get involved in quality issues.
The law that protects consumers from credit card fraud allows the customer to sue the bank in state court in place of the merchant, and since no one wants that, the chargeback process is what is used. The op appears to live in Illinois, which has a good statutory implied warranty of merchantability. Defective goods are covered by that, and if the vendor doesn’t fix it, the bank will. (And claw the money back from the vendor, if they can, of course.)
 

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They’re a 6-pt spline design described as “Pro Non Slip”. Similar to the surface drive design featured by Koken.
Why on Earth would you order 6 point spline? That just screams gimmicky stupid **** to me.

If the fastener you're engaging is not spline, don't buy spline.

The only exception to the rule is using 12 point for 6 point fasteners.
 

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Are these 6 point spline sockets impact rated?

I think the Matco stance will be spline impact sockets should be used on spline bolts not 6pt bolts.
From the Matco description:

Features And Benefits​

  • Specially heat-treated to provide continuous impact use
  • Enhanced 6-point contact design with socket teeth that grip the flat sides of the fastener to drive a nut that is 70% rounded off
  • Easier identification with high-visibility laser and impression stamped size markings
  • Get the job done easier with a unique non-slip design that protects and works on 6-point, TORX and 70% rounded off nuts and fasteners
maybe they’re designed to take a nut that’s 70% rounded off and make it 100% rounded off.

Curious, did you buy a set or some individuals? How much did you invest in these ballpark speaking?

For $55, don’t know how you could go wrong with these-

https://www.harborfreight.com/12-in-drive-metric-professional-impact-socket-set-14-piece-59762.html
 
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I'd file a chargeback. Matco knows the language they are using is deceptive, the credit card will agree. I wouldn't spend any more time interacting with a company operating in bad faith.
 
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Update:

I called back this afternoon and was informed that the customer service supervisor informed THEIR supervisor of the issue. I asked if I could speak with this supervisor but They had gone home for the day. So I’ll try calling back tomorrow.

I think it’s promising that the matter was escalated internally without me requesting it, but who knows. It’s so frustrating to me that the vaunted tool truck service won’t honor their written policy. I’m not looking for an exception or special treatment, just what was promised to me at the time of sale.

Also - I’m having some second thoughts about issuing a chargeback. While I’m confident I’d get my money back, I’m worried that it could jeopardize my ability to warranty tools with them in the future. An irrational concern, perhaps, but after this experience I wouldn’t put it past them. I may just try to warranty the worn socket and sell the entire set to recoup my money.

What does "as long as product is marked eligible for return" mean?

As @neophyte mentioned, some items aren’t eligible for return (manufacturing defect notwithstanding). Branded apparel is one example. The return policy for these sockets seems quite clear:

30-Day Risk FREE return for refund or replacement
If you are not 100% satisfied with your returnable items, return the product for a refund
Free warranty return

I’m not sure how else to interpret “30-day Risk FREE return for refund or replacement” besides “try them out and if you don’t like them , return them within 30 days for a refund”. Zero mention of “tools must be new and unused to qualify for a refund”.


Were the items shipped to you from out of state, or were you billed from an address that was not in your home state?
I had an issue with a cell phone order were I received an empty box, and the I received a refund when I used the term “interstate commerce fraud”.

Out of state. You make an excellent point but I’m reluctant to get too aggressive out of fear that Matco will refuse to do business (ie: honor their warranty) with me in the future. This is also why I’m having second thoughts about doing a chargeback.

I don't know what to say, sounds like a bad business plan on Matco's part.

I remember an old story that I never forgot, back in the day we had a very old department store, sadly they were sold and are no longer; in business, but here is the story. It seems one day a little old lady brought in a shirt and I don't remember the complaint, but she wanted her money back, fair enough. Well, the salesman tried his best to tell her he could not help her, when the head of the store pulled him away and whispered in his ear give her the money back, even though she did not have a receipt. So, the salesman gave her the money back and the little old lady left very happy.

The owner smiled and thought oh another happy customer, too which the salesman replied, you do know the shirt came from J.C. Penney and we are not that store, but the owner said, we will have her coming back for the rest of her life. True story.

Matco will lose this customer and not get them back.

100%. I have a lot of Matco stuff and think they do a good job of bringing unique & innovative tools to the market, but there’s no way I can continue to support them with poor service like this. Hell, I was literally planning on ordering a sliding top tool cart from them this week but it looks like Snapon will be getting my business instead.

Seems like even these particular sockets have the warranty language saying it is returnable if not satisfied.

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Yes, thank you. I can’t think of any other way to interpret that verbiage aside from “try it out for 30 days, send them back if you don’t like them”. Also, seems like these sockets are unequivocally designated as “eligible for return”.

If using an item renders it ineligible for warranty, fine, but they need to state that in their policy.

From the Matco description:

Features And Benefits​

  • Specially heat-treated to provide continuous impact use
  • Enhanced 6-point contact design with socket teeth that grip the flat sides of the fastener to drive a nut that is 70% rounded off
  • Easier identification with high-visibility laser and impression stamped size markings
  • Get the job done easier with a unique non-slip design that protects and works on 6-point, TORX and 70% rounded off nuts and fasteners
maybe they’re designed to take a nut that’s 70% rounded off and make it 100% rounded off.

Curious, did you buy a set or some individuals? How much did you invest in these ballpark speaking?

For $55, don’t know how you could go wrong with these-

https://www.harborfreight.com/12-in-drive-metric-professional-impact-socket-set-14-piece-59762.html

$160 for the set, with my student discount. It was a foolish purchase. But they were recommended to me by someone and seemed cool & unique so I figured “what the hell, why not”. The Icons look nice but I’ve been slumming it with the Quinn 1/2” drive master set for over a year now. Never had a problem removing a fastener with them, never rounded a fastener, never broke a socket. Shoulda left well enough alone.
 

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They’re a 6-pt spline design described as “Pro Non Slip”. Similar to the surface drive design featured by Koken. Well, on Friday they rounded a fastener off to the point where neither the “pro non slip” socket nor a regular 6pt socket would turn it. Fortunately I was able to use an extractor socket to get the fastener off. Mentioned it to another mechanic and he said that he’d been burned by those sockets in a similar manner more than once.

Secondly, they’re wearing very fast. This 13mm has seen maybe 15-20 fasteners and is already experiencing significant wear. Pictured next to an unused 14mm:IMG_2077.jpeg

Sure, I could warranty it but what’s the point if they round fasteners off? Between that and the rapid wear, I’ll just stick with my HF 6pt impacts.
What were you trying to remove?
 
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