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d42jeep

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The 1940 catalog page was the one I worked from when putting together my New Britain 1/4” drive sets. IMG_9083.jpeg
Here is the 607 set missing the screwdriver bit. IMG_5730.jpeg
Here is the 602 set.IMG_9087.jpeg
The middle #608 set never made any sense to me. Why have a ratchet plug with no ratchet?
-Don
 

Tom "Python" Aycock

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The 1940 catalog page was the one I worked from when putting together my New Britain 1/4” drive sets. IMG_9083.jpeg
Here is the 607 set missing the screwdriver bit. IMG_5730.jpeg
Here is the 602 set.IMG_9087.jpeg
The middle #608 set never made any sense to me. Why have a ratchet plug with no ratchet?
-Don
Yes, that caught my eye too...weirdness!
 

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After some extensive hostage negotiations, Greg decided to part with a box, speeder, cross bar and most of the sockets I needed to complete the 1935 New Britain C series Chrome Vanadium set. Of course a Wizard ratchet and a small phenominal fee were required for the massive favor.
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Below is an illustration of the ratchet provided previously by another member in this thread.
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JonahBrown

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Well, I don't know about unicorn. If I'm reading @Patrick Eubanks' comment correctly, at least four (4) Hurley patent ratchets exist. We know that AA has one, that @Oldtuleguy has two (of course!), and that Patrick apparently also has one - without the adaptor to make it work. So, more like the final confirmed sightings of the last family of dodos, one already lame, on the coast of Mauritius in 1661! :)

There could be more out there. Heck, there could be more here. I don't recall seeing one posted before, but none are showing up in a search of this thread or this forum on the word "Hurley".

Then again, many years from now, after we've all been hit by busses, heart attacks, dementia, or some other natural malady, OTG's ratchets won't show up on some lucky finder's search, either, and he will go away from GJ unrequited in his quest to locate other examples of the rare bird he just found, because OTG, in classic anti-Audubon/anti-Dr. Livingstone/anti-P.T. Barnum all Show little to no Tell fashion - acquiring and posting photos of near extinct creatures with as few words as possible and a casualness and an ensuing lack of exuberant fanfare that belies their near-extinction - did NOT include the word "Hurley" or the patent info (1386708 / August 8, 1921) in his post!

Note to Future Finder of #Hurley ratchet: see post #1531.

Self-cueing the belated exuberant fanfare... AWESOME acquisitions, OTG!
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Thats this ratchet correct?
 

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Recently started building my New Britian collection and picked up a couple of well used old New Britian ratchets that are in great mechanical shape but WELL used from the outside.

One of those ratchets is a New Britian NM series 3/8" ratchet I believe that I cannot for the life of me figure out how to get the gear/drive anvil out of...

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I am not sure if the retention bushing is screwed or pressed in, but am hoping to remove the gear so I can do a full polish on the ratchet body and blue the gear & anvil. I have felt around the bushing and cant feel a circlip, so I imagine its either threaded or pressed.

Also, if anyone has advice on sourcing the ball detent spring for the pawl, that would be amazing, because my ball spring did what springs do best and disappeared somewhere into a corner of my garage and I am not super confident on being actually able to find it at this point in time so hoping I might be able to source a suitable replacement. The ball diameter is 0.1252" / 1/8" and I imagine the spring diameter is slightly smaller.

If anyone has any suggestions on how to pull the gear or where to source new springs, the information would be greatly appreciated.
 
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I found this NS58 New Britain 1/2” drive flex handle at yesterday’s estate sale. I’m trying to decide whether to give it the evaporust treatment or not. Besides the crossbar hole it has a 1/2” drive socket in the end of the handle allowing it to be used as an extension.
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Less rusty.IMG_8288.jpegIMG_8289.jpeg
-Don
 

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I have the same breaker bar, in fact I have 8 of them I bought brand new years ago still wrapped in the paper they were shipped in from the factory. They reside in the bottom of my toolbox and probably 5 or 6 are still wrapped in paper. I believe they were originally shipped "in the white" with no finish and that's why they rust.
 

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it is. nice little piece of machinery.
I nearly missed it - it was at the bottom of a bucket full of mostly junk, including several cheap 1/4" ratchets which all look the same at a quick glance. I stabbed my hand on something in the bucket, and was about to give up when I saw there was one more dirt-covered ratchet that looked a little nicer - there it was. :)
 

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This NDF-514 wrench was displayed in a group of more modern wrenches at the local flea market Sunday. I put it in the pile and the asking price for the group I had selected was quite reasonable.

This is the "Nut Master" design, which isn't quite ratcheting, but grips better than the ratcheting designs. I don't think I'll be using it regularly, but it is worthy of display, and might actually be useful!

3/8 and 7/16 openings.

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This NDF-514 wrench was displayed in a group of more modern wrenches at the local flea market Sunday. I put it in the pile and the asking price for the group I had selected was quite reasonable.

This is the "Nut Master" design, which isn't quite ratcheting, but grips better than the ratcheting designs. I don't think I'll be using it regularly, but it is worthy of display, and might actually be useful!

3/8 and 7/16 openings.

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Wow - never have seen one of those!


Peugeot made that wrench style for decades and yes for "autokits" as well.

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This is the "Nut Master" design
Indeed. Nice find. They branded these Blackhawk, too, after the acquisition, but I don't have any examples. Diebold (1954), to his credit, cited the Original Gangster - Carpenter, 1891, as well as others, including Henot (1934), a Frenchman, in his patent submission. Due to the timing, he could not cite Petit (1953), who is responsible for the...
...versions. He did not cite his fellow countryman, but he was almost certainly aware and inspired by it. Nice sets, Outlaw. For those who may not know, the brand name SURPANS is a portmanteau of sur pans, which translates as 'on the sides' or 'on the flats.'

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Deep dive and discussion here: https://www.garagejournal.com/forum...an-a-virtual-tour.468584/page-24#post-9764541
 

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Just my ocd but I wish we would stop referring to wrench openings as milled openings when nearly every wrench made for many years was broached. The only milled openings I have ever seen were my 1956 SK wrenches. It is an easy check. If the machining marks are parallel to each other and perpendicular to the wrench face the opening is broached.
 

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