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I think its not real kamasa. The product number SS4710 is not there in genuine site. K25008 and K25009 are two -https://www.kamasatools.com/en/products/socket-wrench-sets/socket-wrench-sets-12/ 1/2" drive socket sets that I checked. In my view, Its fake and you should not buy it. Check resellers in your area and see if they are come up in genuine kamasa site.

In the socket set given in amazon site, Kamasa-tools registered mark, R inside a circle is on top(superscript position). Genuine one has it in bottom, subscript.
Kamasa.co.uk introduces itself as tool manufacturer for DIY, whereas kamasa-tools(real one) says its for pros.
so it's clearly fake. DO NOT purchase!
 
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Sorry guys, but Kamasa have a shite reputation! They had a good reputation once, but that was getting to be a long time ago...!

Back in the early 80's they manufactured some halfway decent tools. Not top end, but useable, nicely styled, and reasonably priced. All the tools were made in Japan, presumably by Kamasa.

Story I heard is that the family sold the firm. Overnight they were selling tools that looked similar to the original, but were Taiwanese **** of a quality I doubt you could sell now. It's not fake, but it's the same **** you could find being sold under a dozen different names back then.

The tools in the link are a different style, but I doubt much better quality! They're still basically trying to trade off the name they had decades back!

Occasionally some decent Kamasa turns up, but most often people are selling the Taiwanese ****, but emphasising it's old stock in the hope of fooling the unwary!

I'll post some pic's of the genuine stuff when I'm home!
 
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Dave - I think company is of swedish origin. But as you have shared your view, I have sent kamasa-tools an email asking the same thing what OP has asked. I hope the company itself clarifies and hope to get a reply from them.
There are no distributors for kamasa in uk and japan as per official website. Why will a swedish company make tools in japan?
 

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As Dave said in the 80's they sold decent Japanese made socket sets relatively cheaply here in the UK, my dad still has one in the shed, the current stuff on sale here in the UK is the usual cheap import stuff that works ok for the diy but that's about it, I have a beater set of combo spanners (skip set of metric and imperial) that was ridiculously cheap (less than a £ per spanner) that are definitely ok and fine for lending out to others.
 

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Yep old kamasa stuff from japan and even some taiwan stuff was half decent to amazingly good for the cost .
I have a screwdriver set inc torx about 25yrs old and it really good quality and still going strong. have some AF sockets on rails and they fine but nothing amazing, also picked up a 1/4 and 3/8 pear head ratchet free in junk I rescued which proved nice quality but assume they taiwan made .
certainly wouldn't chase down current kamasa stuff as way better options out there .
 
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On Ebay / Amazon there are more of these Kamasa tool sets where the model number starts with SS, like this:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Kamasa-SS3884-Socket-Bit-8-inch/dp/B0012M9KBK/ref=sr_1_24?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1489582176&sr=1-24&keywords=kamasa

Also these type of set doesn't look like "real" Kamasa, check the ratchet socket release part, there is not such in official Kamasa tools:

http://www.ebay.de/itm/KAMASA-55702-Mechanics-Tool-Set-150pc-/131080808601?hash=item1e85066899:g:Yd0AAOxyUrZSvwT~
 
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Dave - I think company is of swedish origin

Hi Anurag. I know english probably isn't your first language, and you've probably been the attempt of a cunning marketing ploy, but Kamasa is a Japanese name, and the tools were originally of Japanese origin!

They were originally as Swedish as Toyota, and not even that now!
 

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Hmm! Yes, my 'spam detector' is going off too'!

All this talk of 'real Kamasa / fake Kamasa' does rather imply there is some Kamasa worth buying, which I seriously doubt!

So, is any of this shite made in Sweden? I seriously doubt it! This will be the reason it isn't sold in the U.K. - the advertising alone would contravene U.K. law!

mh82, the question remains, do you work for Kamasa?
 

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Hi Anurag. I know english probably isn't your first language, and you've probably been the attempt of a cunning marketing ploy, but Kamasa is a Japanese name, and the tools were originally of Japanese origin!

They were originally as Swedish as Toyota, and not even that now!

Ok you are correct.
 
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Hmm! Yes, my 'spam detector' is going off too'!

All this talk of 'real Kamasa / fake Kamasa' does rather imply there is some Kamasa worth buying, which I seriously doubt!

So, is any of this shite made in Sweden? I seriously doubt it! This will be the reason it isn't sold in the U.K. - the advertising alone would contravene U.K. law!

mh82, the question remains, do you work for Kamasa?

Do I work for Kamasa? Where did this question arise? I'm a ****** software engineer working with medical devices :lol_hitti . I was just searching for decent socket set and was just pressing "order" for Facom rs.440e set they sell in Ebay for 120€.

Then I found the similar Hazet sets they sell in Ebay for around 160-170€'s and then the Kamasa sets caught my attention.

In old world the Kamasa was brand with good reputation with "lifetime" warranty, but I don't have any clue about the new Kamasa tools. Maybe they are ****, anyhow I bought one I got with very good discount from my home country Finland.

I changed today rear brake discs and pads to my Volvo and I was quite pleased with the Kamasa. As positive point I found out the ratchet head size was much much smaller than in my Bahco sets I bought two years ago. With Bahco the head size of the my Bahco was too big to fit in narrow places. For the durability, time will show.

Maybe next I will spend more money to get real "made in Europe" set, I am very interested in long time ago gone brands like Dowidat. I know they are really made in Germany, not some Asian ****.
 
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Did some detective work and from the ratchet service kit installation instuctions https://www.kamasatools.com/catalogue/documents/67551.pdf there was mentioned "super ten assembly instructions".

Super ten refers to misumo tools where I found exactly the same looking ratchet I have in my set: http://sg.misumi-ec.com/vona2/detail/223004991842/

So I bet the ratchets in my Kamasa set are made by Misumi corp. Anyone know more about this corporation and the quality of the products? Other brands are also using this same ratchet, like KS Tools.

Edit: I think Misumi is only distributor and the wrenches are made by Suekage tool, which I think is Japanese tool manufacturer? At least their web page is ending with .jp.
 
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My apologies mh82 - didn't mean to offend!

Sadly, posts often pop up using similar phraseology to yours that actually originate with someone attempting to promote the brand in question!

I accept that's not you!

Attached are some pictures of some 80's vintage Kamasa. The sockets and ratchets were well made from good steel, and although Japanese tools didn't have a good reputation at the time, these were probably the turning point! The designs were innovative too, and the square handled but driver shown is a lovely tool. The 'Japan' markings can be seen. If tools from this era turn up, don't hesitate to buy!

My Father knew the retailer of these well, and I understood that the U.K. distributor knew the Kamasa family too, who had been involved in tool manufacture for many years in Japan, but for whom the U.K. was then a new market! I believe they sold well as pricing was a fraction of comparable quality domestic tools. I think Dutch remembers them as I do!

I was told by the retailer, but can't verify, that Mr Kamasa died unexpectedly, and the family sold the business. The tools that appeared subsequently were 'generic Taiwanese in Kamasa boxes so my retailer dropped them!

From time to time the genuine Japanese Kamasa pop up, and I buy if the price is right! Their screwdrivers were lovely - they had a green acetate handle that was probably the most comfortable ever made!

Yes, it's always a pleasure to pick up old European made tools, especially if the seller doesn't recognise quality and prices accordingly! I bought a set of (barely) used Stahlwille wrenches really cheap because the vendor didn't know the name, or the value of Whitworth! The real treasure is when you find things like Belzer.. but sadly these are rare!

Be a bit careful with Hazet though, their tools seem to get faked a lot, and there was even a warning on their website!
 

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I asked the issue between the Kamasa in U.K. and the global Kamasa and got following answer:

"Kamasa in U.K. has no connection what so ever to Kamasa Tools. Kamasa in UK has only the rights for the British market. Kamasa Tools (we) have global rights with exception for Great Britain. We have no idea of the assortment, quality and manufacturing of the kamasa.UK tools."

I already ordered the Kamasa U.K. combination spanner set and now I´m mad if it is not the same series (global Kamasa) I bought from local store.

Let's see what comes through the delivery guy.
 
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The Kamasa 'Made in Japan' tools seem like good quality to me, my father in law bought this 1/2" socket set in the 1980s and it was top of his price range. The finish is good, not quite as nice as contemporary Britool, but good stuff:

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I also received some 'Kamasa W. Germany' AF spanners from a retired RAF technician, they are lower quality than the Japanese Kamasa, but perfectly good:


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The answer to why tools from a European or even Japanese tool brand are so cheap is often because that particular tool is made in Taiwan. You'd be surprised at how many made in Taiwan tools end up in their catalogs.
 

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Yep, the point is: makes it sense to buy from an european brand - Taiwan made?
The hope is that quality and chek process should be better than low cost tool/chinese made you find at super market, or not?
Looking for a mid range/afforbale price range, with limited budget .. ( I know that a STAHLWILLE shouls be better..but price is 3 o 4 times..)
 
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Hi Anurag. I know english probably isn't your first language, and you've probably been the attempt of a cunning marketing ploy, but Kamasa is a Japanese name, and the tools were originally of Japanese origin!

They were originally as Swedish as Toyota, and not even that now!
Zygmundt Josef Kamasa, born in Poland, imigrated to Sweden where he 1952 founded the brand, and 1968 started manufacturing his own tools.
 
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As far as I'm aware/informed Kamasa is not a Japanese name or of Japan tool company origin.
The founder ZJ Kamasa was most likely Polish origin with some time in USA & Sweden.
Lot of of early (late 60's to mid 70's) tools was W Germany (lot of fairly low cost tooling production post war) Some of the stuff that got made in Japan possibly late70's to 80's could be pretty good but even the Japan made stuff varies in manufacturer/quality .
I picked up a 12pc metric ring spanner set today on a wrench ring organiser local to me off marketplace for 10bucks, it W Germany manufacture, okay but not amazing, will get chucked in one of the wagons for odd jobbing tasks .
Japan socketry can be a good used deal and have seen some half decent Japan wrenches with sizes stamped on open end flat face but never come across a full set of them and they not special enough want hunt hard for .
 

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As far as I'm aware/informed Kamasa is not a Japanese name or of Japan tool company origin.
The founder ZJ Kamasa was most likely Polish origin with some time in USA & Sweden.
Lot of of early (late 60's to mid 70's) tools was W Germany (lot of fairly low cost tooling production post war) Some of the stuff that got made in Japan possibly late70's to 80's could be pretty good but even the Japan made stuff varies in manufacturer/quality .
I picked up a 12pc metric ring spanner set today on a wrench ring organiser local to me off marketplace for 10bucks, it W Germany manufacture, okay but not amazing, will get chucked in one of the wagons for odd jobbing tasks .
Japan socketry can be a good used deal and have seen some half decent Japan wrenches with sizes stamped on open end flat face but never come across a full set of them and they not special enough want hunt hard for .
I am only going by the marketing / conversations at the time. I don’t doubt it differs from their current explanations, but that’s what I was told - even if it was 40 years ago!

Yes, mixed origins on the early Kamasa. I never saw it in the U.K. till the early 80’s if I recall correctly - maybe very late 70’s.

The majority, probably 80%, was made in Japan. This included all the socket sets, and also things like screwdrivers. The only things I recall being made in Germany were the wrenches. There were pliers, but I can’t recall the origins.

The German made wrenches never appeared to be “top tier” and I don’t think they sold particularly well. What I remember are the exact wrenches posted by fanders above.

The Japanese stuff was of better quality, certainly better finished, but not up to British tools of the time. Again, as pointed out earlier, there was some variation. Some was decent (surprisingly so) some not so much.

Here are parts of a 1/4” drive set I bought in the 80’s. Quality is O.K. - not top tier. The chroming was good at the time, but it’s starting to flake, and I doubt these tools would have taken hard use.1B5963A0-2799-4F23-8967-64CC4457B3AB.jpeg

Within maybe a year of me buying this set the tools had changed to Taiwanese. Taiwanese tools in the 80’s were absolutely dreadful, and the Kamasa ones were no exception. They were identical to those sold under a number of brand names such as “Hilka” all of which were equal dross.

Some of the Japanese tools were very nice, such as these “ball point drivers”. They were costly at the time (for Japanese tools) so didn’t sell. I bought these many years later. They were very inexpensive as the reputation of Kamasa had by then been trashed, so were priced accordingly!A461061D-C901-4C29-99AB-31B105D84EB5.jpegA539647D-0BF7-4AAA-94BA-8BE50C62B194.jpeg
 
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Really is a mixed bag of offerings with none of it being super amazing.
By the 80's the kamasa brand had been sold on .
Lot of manufacture went taiwan then china later you go .
I like my screwdriver set, Japan socket sets kind of nice if complete and clean and got couple pear head QR ratchets that 72 tooth and possibly taiwan (no coo stamped) but proper made/finished
Wrenches I picked up same style as images in post above but not cr-v marked as have 'chrom-vanadium' forged in the rear recess, better than cheaper end retail sets of today but far from special, fitment seems proper though .
 
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Zygmundt Josef Kamasa, born in Poland, imigrated to Sweden where he 1952 founded the brand, and 1968 started manufacturing his own tools.
I’ll believe that Z J Kamasa “started manufacturing his own tools” when I see a Kamasa tool that was made in a Kamasa factory in Sweden!

It’s feasible they are out there, and if so please post, I’d love to see one!

However, every Kamasa tool I have ever seen was produced by sub contract and imported.
 

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I don't think Kamasa ever had a tool production facility, really was outsourced odm oem manufacturing from global sources from the very beginning.
Seen Kamasa stamped tools with Germany W Germany England, Japan, India, China, Taiwan but surprisingly no other East European coo's .
Japan manufacture been bigger percentage during time brand had sold on & Kamasa himself had died .
Was probably just luck rather than choice that during 80's & possibly early 90's Japan was kicking out half decent tools cheap, Have some draper japan sockets and wrenches that very decent and used a fair few Japan made cresent wrenches that been fairly decent tool .
The full socketry sets in metal boxes are quite nice own, possibly partially nostalgia and handle knurling being a rarity these days and at fair coin they can be a good used buy for lighter duty/secondary set use .
No idea why they marketed as professionals tool brand as never seemed get close to that level in range or quality !
 

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Here are parts of a 1/4” drive set I bought in the 80’s. Quality is O.K. - not top tier. The chroming was good at the time, but it’s starting to flake, and I doubt these tools would have taken hard use.
I bought a small set too. I've used it a lot (non professionally) in the last 40 years or so and have been very pleased with it. The ratchet and extension are marked "Japan" but the six point sockets just have the size marked. The moulded box insert is very robust and shows no sign of cracking.

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I picked up this stubby at a car boot sale earlier in the year and so don't have any idea of its age, but it is nicely made and marked "Japan".DSCF9707R.jpg

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I picked up this stubby at a car boot sale earlier in the year and so don't have any idea of its age, but it is nicely made and marked "Japan".DSCF9707R.jpg

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Yes, those were nicely made.

It has been suggested here, that the Kamasa drivers are copies of the Belzer drivers of the same period. That’s not strictly true, there are some differences, but they are very similar.

Either way, they remain (for me) one of the most comfortable screwdriver handles ever made.

The first of these I ever saw was probably around 1979 / 1980. They had chrome plated blades, and transparent red cellulose acetate handles (not CAB, so no, they don’t smell).

Your handle would have been red originally I think, but has faded somewhat. These drivers may have been available before that, but I didn’t notice.

Around 1981 they switched to a green transparent handle. I bought a couple of these and liked them a lot, but struggled to find any sizes other than the ones I had. As these were 6mm slotted, and No. 2 Phillips - the former a poor fit in 1/4” slots of the time, they saw relatively little use.

The last of these I ever saw (and purchased - £1.49) was a stubby No. 1 Phillips. Very similar to your slotted, but with the later green handle and black blade. I can state with certainty that this was in 1982. Don’t think I’ve seen any since!
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KTC still offer drivers with (suspiciously similar coloured) cellulose acetate handles and suspiciously similar finished black blades. Although the style of both blades and handles are different, they do include suspiciously similar good lettering.

I’m very tempted to a acquire a set of these. The only thing that prevents me is that despite 40 years of waiting there’s still no sign of any Pozidriv…!
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I got these from a car boot sale a couple of weeks ago with no visible signs of use.

Marked 'Made in W. Germany' and so will pre-date the unification of Germany in 1989. They are nicely made possibly by CK?

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I got these from a car boot sale a couple of weeks ago with no visible signs of use.

Marked 'Made in W. Germany' and so will pre-date the unification of Germany in 1989. They are nicely made possibly by CK?

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I don’t believe C.K. actually manufacture anything themselves, they are an importer, and despite the German sounding name (Carl Kammerling) they are actually a British firm.

Where C.K. score is that the contractors who manufacture their tools (the better ones at least) tend to be respected German manufacturers, and C.K. seem to specify decent tools.

Also, wheras many importers / distributors seem to be racing each other to who can produce the crappiest tools, C.K. are still offering the decent tools they were selling decades back, so the better C.K. tools are really quite decent indeed.

In the absence of needing anything more specialised, I usually reach for a C.K. screwdriver first. Certainly for slotted screws. They are made by Heyco, and I really quite like them.

Some of their pliers are made by N.W.S. Don’t know who made their (and perhaps Kamasa’s) water pump pliers, but I’ve seen others I’m sure are the same, so one of the bigger German manufacturers for sure.
 
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