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Hey guys, silly question... does anyone know how these handle cigar smoke? i have plans to put one into my shop (one car stall furthest from the house, 3 car attached garage). It would be nice to be able to smoke out there without the garage smelling like an ashtray afterwards.
 
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Hey guys, silly question... does anyone know how these handle cigar smoke? i have plans to put one into my shop (one car stall furthest from the house, 3 car attached garage). It would be nice to be able to smoke out there without the garage smelling like an ashtray afterwards.
It will help a lot, but I wouldn't say it would stop the cigar smell.
 

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Hey guys, silly question... does anyone know how these handle cigar smoke? i have plans to put one into my shop (one car stall furthest from the house, 3 car attached garage). It would be nice to be able to smoke out there without the garage smelling like an ashtray afterwards.
The smoke will permeate the filters and then when you aren't smoking and turn on the fan it will smell like cigars.

Get a smokeless ashtray.
 

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The smoke will permeate the filters and then when you aren't smoking and turn on the fan it will smell like cigars.

Get a smokeless ashtray.
Interesting point.. I will probably try anyway, and report back... An occasional winter cigar is pretty tempting.
 

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Hey guys, silly question... does anyone know how these handle cigar smoke? i have plans to put one into my shop (one car stall furthest from the house, 3 car attached garage). It would be nice to be able to smoke out there without the garage smelling like an ashtray afterwards.
GF has a study/library etc. room and it has a smoking corner.
You basically sit under a glorified bathroom fan.
 

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Got a link?

Just go to Amazon or eBay. As @duneslider said the powertec is $149 on Amazon, WEN versions can be found for a bit cheaper.

These are 400 CFM units, not the larger CFM units. They also typically have 5 and 1 micron filtration at those CFM rates.

Well, the filters are needed no matter and disposible, most people have a box fan laying around. With 15 seconds of shopping I found 20x20x2 filters for $10 each. So about $80 all in.

A cheap Grizzly is $160 and up. The better ones, Grizzly and Jet are $500.

Sure it isn't a fantastic deal, but not as bad as your numbers.

I'm not sure we are comparing similar performance. Are the $10 each filters MERV 13? I found MERV 8 for that kind of price but then you don't get nearly the same level of filtration. To get down to 5 micron I believe you need to get to a MERV 13 which will up the cost to what I was finding.

As for filters, yes they are consumables but when you buy the air filtration system you get the original filters with the system. The 1 micron portion of those systems are typically reusable but the 5 micron would need regular replacement. For the home built box you need to buy the filters first but then replace all of them in an ongoing basis. It seems like long term replacing 1 filter will be much cheaper than replacing 5.

As for the "better ones" I believe you are talking about units that have much higher CFM, and yes, those units are much more.

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One particular issue I read about with using a box fan is that although they have an impressive CFM capability when unencumbered, the CFM drops dramatically when you restrict airflow. For this reason @PoorUB solution should work much better at actually cycling the air and if you have access to the things he describes it might be a great solution. It would potentially not have the timer and other functionality of a cheap air filter box and I suspect might also be larger but I also suspect it might out perform the cheap air filter boxes.

Ultimately a box fan with a filter on it will work to clean the air and if whatever anybody does makes their lives better that is great. I tried the box fan/filter approach and it just wasn't effective enough for me. I'm looking to get rid of fumes more than get rid of wood dust so a higher CFM seems critical to me. I already have an exhaust fan the can empty out the shop after about an hour of running but that results in significant heat/cooling loss as conditioned air gets replaced by outside air. I continue to contemplate the cheap air filtration systems but I remain weary of whether I'd be satisfied with them. I do suspect the more expensive higher CFM systems would make me happier from an air quality standpoint but I don't like the cost of them. Perhaps I need to search out a @PoorUB solution.
 

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I'm not sure we are comparing similar performance. Are the $10 each filters MERV 13? I found MERV 8 for that kind of price but then you don't get nearly the same level of filtration. To get down to 5 micron I believe you need to get to a MERV 13 which will up the cost to what I was finding.
MERV 11 which is all I run in my filter. I used to run MERV 8, but after COVID everyone stepped up the filter ratings a bit so 11's are easier to find. With enough CFM and recirculation, and a dirty filter the MERV 8 probably does as well as MERV 11 anyway!

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01CR9K2AY/?tag=atomicindus08-20

My filter is 1200 CFM+ on high speed so it will circulate all the shop air in roughly seven minutes.
 

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After reading the thread I ordered some 20X20 filters from Amazon. 6 are scheduled to arrive on Wednesday. A former tenant left a cheap box fan and I keep tape on the shelf.

I will soon have an Air Cleaner.
 

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Cigar smoke...I can confirm that a charcoal canister filter and fan will work.

My youngest daughter had a veiled chameleon (which much to our family's dismay, passed just a few days ago). The live crickets she kept to feed it just stunk up her room, and often, much of our home. I used an AC infinity EC fan (super quiet) and their 4" charcoal filter to pull air from the cricket habitat. I was honestly amazed (as was the family) on how well that combination worked. Zero smell. Hard to believe how completely effective that setup was.


If you want to create a smoking area that is pretty much zero smell....that will work. I purchased it originally to test how well it dealt with wild fire smoke on our HRV intake...it works very well indeed. Their 4 and 6" EC fans are very nice and on low speeds 1-4 (out of 10) are whisper quiet. These fans work exceptionally well at higher static pressures so are very good choices if you're using restrictive filtration.

I use 16x24x1 activated charcoal filters in our home's furnace which work ok in general, but they are not anywhere as effective as that charcoal canister deal.

If you are looking for MERV 13 filtration (box fan or otherwise) take a look at the 2" and 4" thick filters. They flow miles better than the typical 1" filter at the higher MERV ratings. If you take a look at Farm Project's review, you'll want the Filtrete 1900 if looking for decent flow in a 1" filter at MERV 13 levels. He throws a four inch filter into the mix to demonstrate how much more effective they can be.

 
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I also have the Jet model, been using it for almost 2 years.

I mainly work on restoration of my two old cars, so welding, grinding, and sanding metal.

The attached pictures are from November this year until present. I’ve only been painting the walls in my shop with the occasional sweeping and vacuuming of dirt, no metal work.

You can see how dirty the November filter got, and now the December filter replaced with new on 12-7-22.

The Jet works well.
 

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This fellow has done a pretty amazing job of testing shop air filtration systems:


Spoiler alert..a cheap floor fan DIY box fan with 3 or 4 Filtrete 1900s taped into a cube configuration worked the best :) He made a few controlled saw cuts in the shop, then measured time for the dust system to bring particulate levels down. He used a laser particle counter to quantify his measurements.

He also makes a point of mentioning that the "king" of performance is an actual dust collection scheme at the tool!

There is more and more research out there about the long term health impacts with respect to smaller air pollutants that can make it into your blood stream via the lungs. My background in university was biology, now tempered by about 35 years more of practical experience. I'm 100% convinced that efforts made in the air quality department are not wasted :)
 

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I have a Jet and a Delta. They work well for the suspended fine dust and if you use the timer and let it run for two hours after stopping work, it makes a world of difference.
Fully agree that you must collect dust at the tool or site of origin. These air filters are for the fine stuff that will settle everywhere.
I have the Jet and also dust collection at the source. At least for me neither is 100%. BUT, I can see from the filters that they are collecting a lot of sawdust that I would otherwise breathe. Supposedly the small stuff that the Jet captures is what messes up your lungs the most.

Two things to know if you get a ceiling filter: firstly they are heavy, so get creative on the lift and don’t brute force it; and lastly, the filter needs to be mounted at an angle to the walls so you get air circulating around the room.
 

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Max is right on two counts.

I have the Jet and Delta. (I had the Jet, and a chance with a scratch and dent deal gave me the Delta as a second.) With my larger size shop, I chose to hang both on dedicated 20 amp circuits and have them facing opposite directions. My unproven theory was that I could create a circular “race track” air movement improving the performance of both machines. Not sure it works but it made sense at the time and the filters show it.

When it comes to hanging from the ceiling, planning is critical, especially if working alone. Heres how I did it: The machines come with eyebolts IIRK, so I placed lagged hooks in the studs, evenly placed. Then I was able to muscle machine on top level of 6 ft ladder, hooking the chain to a couple of hooks at a time and working each corner higher and in to place. Wasn’t as hard as I thought it would be. I may have used a second ladder to work from the side.
 

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I am expecting a box of air filters so my helper and I can assemble an air cleaner repurposing a 20” box fan.
 
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I inherited a Jet with my new set of tools--and it really helps. I'm doing almost all woodworking in a small (i car garage) shop. For source collection, I have a souped up Delta 220v for the table saw and planer, plus a Festool vac hooked up to the chop saw/handtools as needed.

I'm amazed at how much airborne fine dust that the Jet picks up. And since the door to the garage opens into the house, it's made a difference in the rooms closest to the garage as far as dust buildup.

One annoyance though--the Jet mounting points only let you mount it one direction on standard 16" joist spacing--apparently no one thought to add a second set of holes on the top (or a top bar arrangement that swiveled)--so I have mine pointed in a less than optimal direction.
The hole pattern on the Jet unit is about 16x24. If you need to rotate it, hang it by chains or attach 2 pieces of wood across the joists and screw it to them.
 

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Thanks to this thread I just bought the cheapo Wen air filter. I have it in a 2 car garage and its pretty impressive how fast it can clear the lingering haze from plasma cutting.

I should have probably put one in years ago.
 

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I have the one pictured. We have about 2000 CFM dust collection in the cut room. That will get about 90% of everything. We leave the ceiling mount on for 12 hours after to clean up. It's amazing how much small stuff you catch.

We use some good filters on ours. I personally have asthma and would have issues with wood working before we had enough filters
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My filter is scheduled to be hung from the overhead of my Workshop tomorrow, Saturday, morning.

it is not pretty; but my only expense has been the five 20 X 20 filters, everything else was in my collection.
 
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I have the one pictured. We have about 2000 CFM dust collection in the cut room. That will get about 90% of everything. We leave the ceiling mount on for 12 hours after to clean up. It's amazing how much small stuff you catch.

We use some good filters on ours. I personally have asthma and would have issues with wood working before we had enough filters
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Ask the doc for a maintenance inhaler. You use it like twice a day whether you need to or not. I have asthma too. Those $25 rescue inhalers are a joke.
 

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Ask the doc for a maintenance inhaler. You use it like twice a day whether you need to or not. I have asthma too. Those $25 rescue inhalers are a joke.
Lol oh no. I have the maintenance ones for emergencies. I was using it daily without good ventilation and dust collection. Now I rarely use even after cutting thousands of feet of cedar this year
 

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Ask the doc for a maintenance inhaler. You use it like twice a day whether you need to or not. I have asthma too. Those $25 rescue inhalers are a joke.
So you start a thread asking if hanging air filters are a waste of money?,

A gentleman replies as to the effectiveness of a good filter and the benefits(health) that it provides.

And your response is "to get a maintenance inhaler" instead????? Talk about treating the symptom instead of the cause?
 
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So you start a thread asking if hanging air filters are a waste of money?,

A gentleman replies as to the effectiveness of a good filter and the benefits(health) that it provides.

And your response is "to get a maintenance inhaler" instead????? Talk about treating the symptom instead of the cause?

I've had asthma for 25 years. Was just giving him some friendly advice. Has nothing to do with the hanging dust collector. I used the wrong inhaler for years too before a doc got me on a different one. My asthma was out of control.
 

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My Shop Built Air Cleaner has made a great difference in my workshop.

I repurposed a Box Fan that was left behind by a former tenant and assembled a filter box from 5 20X20 furnace filters and duct tape. The fan pulls air through the filters and discharges filtered air in the shop.

I saw one being built on a TED Talk on YouTube.
 

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I've had asthma for 25 years. Was just giving him some friendly advice. Has nothing to do with the hanging dust collector. I used the wrong inhaler for years too before a doc got me on a different one. My asthma was out of control.
I just took it as friendly banter just like when people come hang out at the shop 🤷‍♂️ no harm no foul
 

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If you're handy, you can build a better air filtration unit / dust collector for pennies. I built this one entirely out of scraps: bed frame rails, galvanized sheetmetal from an old furnace installation, a direct drive furnace blower fan with a 10" x 8" wheel, and some odds and ends. I reuse the used 20"x20"x3.5" Merv 15 filters from my home HVAC unit and pre-filter with cheap 20"x20"x1" Merv 9 filters.

It works exceptionally well in my 30'x60'x12' metal working shop. I've been completely impressed with its ability to prevent the usual grinding / welding haze.

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DIY plan
 

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