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    Why does Snap-On continuously make people rage?

    I’m quite aware of that. Nobody picked up on the humor.
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    Why does Snap-On continuously make people rage?

    Virtually anybody can save up and buy a $200 tool. A giant set of tools, perhaps not. But a ratchet? Come on. The remarks from the HF shills on this thread are getting more and more absurd. I used to stop in to HF every now and then to try some of their offerings. Between the shills everywhere...
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    Why does Snap-On continuously make people rage?

    Who the hell needs to finance a ratchet in the first place?
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    Why does Snap-On continuously make people rage?

    No disrespect here but you missed the entire point, which is: those higher prices for better made tools are worth it across professional industries because the buyers are buying durability in addition to strength. Cheap isn’t cheap when you have to keep replacing or driving back to the store for...
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    Why does Snap-On continuously make people rage?

    The point <———> The above post. Although to be sure, I have seen Snap-On ratchets at constructions sites.
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    Why does Snap-On continuously make people rage?

    Yeah but the point is they wouldn’t be up by almost double if they made the same tools that were available for pennies on the dollar. You’re not getting a little more tool, you’re getting a lot more durability, etc. Not everybody (especially DIYers) need that but it’s absurd to claim it isn’t...
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    Why does Snap-On continuously make people rage?

    Snap-On makes better tools than Hazard Fraught, period. As you said above, it isn’t rocket science. The use better steel, better heat treatment, better finish, etc. all of that adds up to a better tool. If Harbor Freight offer tools that were made to the same standard, then they would be just as...
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    Why does Snap-On continuously make people rage?

    So what? If they work for you, that’s all that matters.
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    Why does Snap-On continuously make people rage?

    Yeah. That was what I was getting at with my comment about surface olates. If someone wanted to make their own on a shoestring budget, they can. I learned how and I think learning how to do it is an essential part of learning metrology. But I’m not going to do it in a laboratory setting. It’s a...
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    Why does Snap-On continuously make people rage?

    There’s also a philosophy gaining popularity called panpsychism….
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    Why does Snap-On continuously make people rage?

    This and other problems. There have been cheap tools sold as long as there have been tools sold. Most of the cheap garbage is in a landfill somewhere. Nothing wrong with using cheap tools - the annoying part is the weekend warrior mentality who thinks they have discovered how to MacGyver every...
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    Why does Snap-On continuously make people rage?

    Hobbyist/DIYer as in not a professional? Absolutely you are, and that’s not said in any disrespectful way at all. Being a DIYer doesn’t mean you do poor work. But we’re lying to ourselves if we refuse to admit that “cheap” often isn’t, in a professional or industrial setting. I can lap and...
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    Why does Snap-On continuously make people rage?

    I love looking at those militantly cheap weekend warrior home editions…
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    Why does Snap-On continuously make people rage?

    A lot of good points in this post. I think a lot of it has to do with the amount of hobbyists here. When you’re depending upon a tool to make you money, help you do your job as efficiently, accurately, and fast as possible, you’re typically not bargain hunting for tools or buying lower end stuff...
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    Why does Snap-On continuously make people rage?

    People get irrationally angry over anything on the Internet, but what you’re seeing is likely mostly a form of “astroturfing” with Harbor Freight - either paid people or bots comparing their lower cost tools to the top product in the market in a favorable manner to boost Harbor Freight sales...
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    Speed squares

    Depends. Some contractors are able to get deals on a particular brand and many around here have gone mostly cordless.
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    Your Top 3 Favorite Tools of All Time

    For hand tools: 1. Estwing rip claw hammer 2. Starrett 6” combination square 3. Quality dividers Precision has to start somewhere. Power tools: 1. Skil 77 2. Milwaukee M12 hammer drill 3. Milwaukee sawzall
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    The end of Starrett

    What is really infuriating about this indifference to major employers going out of business. Is that the post here do not take into account the human cost the social cost and the governmental cost of job loss. Not surprised I am not sure anybody here has had to file chapter 7 bankruptcy...
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    The end of Starrett

    Oh I have to call BS on this. There hasn’t been a single xenophobic post in this thread by anyone.
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    The end of Starrett

    Respectfully, this is not a matter of nostalgia. Deindustrialization has had horrible consequences across the United States, particularly in the Great Lakes and Northeast. If GM Powertrain closed here in WNY, it would certaibly matter..
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