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I don't think it's dumb, I couldn't figure it out either. What gives, Monte?
Hazet Tools, Whats the Appeal?
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I don't think it's dumb, I couldn't figure it out either. What gives, Monte?
Garage_Mahal
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If it is "Like Facom", that black coining you see peeking out from under the silver shield in the last pic is the grip for the direction change switch.
ChiffChiff
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Monte, Stop making me buy some Hazet by posting those pics!!
Really stupid question, and yes I can look, but does Hazet or any other brand out of say Europe or Japan make SAE tools? I assume no...
I too would like to know if they make SAE.
At first I was kinda meh about the satin finish, but after seeing the pics and looking around online at Hazet tools, they have some pretty brilliant designs and I could see buying some if they became more prominent in the US. I'll stick with Snap-On due to the availability though
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Look and you shall find SAE.
Thank you Monte for the 610 N pics, it was a leading question
Rgrds
no problem !! You´re welcome !! If i can assist you in any other buying decision regarding Hazet, Gedore, Stahlwille etc. let me know
regarding how to switch directions on the Hazet ratchet Garage Mahal is right.
ALL german hand tool companies offer SAE too, wrenches (not all styles though), sockets, bit-sockets etc. except some don´t offer SAE impact sockets like Hazet for example who only offer 1 deep 13/16" impact socket. Gedore on the other hand also offer SAE impact sockets. Hand sockets no problem.
The best is to look through the english Hazet PDF catalog which can be found here:
http://www.hazet.com/en/products/illustrated-list-2010/
Maybe you can find the one or other SAE tool you need or a special tool for your european vehicle.
Here for example the wrench pages including SAE/"American sizes" wrenches etc:
http://www.hazet.com/uploads/tx_d3mlinkedsources/kap03_e_17.pdf#page=4&view=Fit
expatriated
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I don't have any Hazet but my Stahlwille's have quickly become my favorites. Are Hazets generally considered as good as Stahlwille? Better? Worse?
Hazet also supplied some of the bmw specific tools like the 30mm thin wall socket for transmission flanges. I think some of the toolbox wrenches are hazet as well. Retarded prices, and the finish is almost always deteriorated when you find them.
bcjames
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I'd like to know how they compare too. I love my stahlwille spanners and, going by price, I can only assume hazet are better still.
Looking through the hazet catalogue, I wish I could have one of their filled rollcabs, looks great!
billymade
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I don't know about quality but... from a marketing point of view; seems that Hazet has a cult following or historical appreciation for their tools (especially, in the vw/porsche history, they supplied tool sets in the cars and in the dealers)... stahwille, doesn't seem to have the same appeal or strong connection in the same way.
Hazet has a strong identity and markets using the little "hazet tool guy" made out of pieces of their tools and they even have a "Hazet Club"; along with pins, clothing and other small logo trinkets!
http://www.hazet.de/hazet-club/shop/
I think their Assistant toolbox; is pretty famous too!
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16982
This is just my observations; I'm sure our european friends can set the record straight!
Hazet has a strong identity and markets using the little "hazet tool guy" made out of pieces of their tools and they even have a "Hazet Club"; along with pins, clothing and other small logo trinkets!
http://www.hazet.de/hazet-club/shop/
I think their Assistant toolbox; is pretty famous too!
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16982
This is just my observations; I'm sure our european friends can set the record straight!
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expatriated
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This is why I despise this site. I now have a burning, albeit completely irrational, desire to start a Hazet collection. AHHH! I've got tools I'll never use now. But I bet I'll be ordering a Hazet box with tools in the future. You guys really, really ****.
I guess the kids will have to be mechanics...I'm spending their college money on tools.
I now have a burning, albeit completely irrational, desire to start a Hazet collection. AHHH! I've got tools I'll never use now. But I bet I'll be ordering a Hazet box with tools in the future. You guys really, really ****.I guess the kids will have to be mechanics...I'm spending their college money on tools.
In most cases when someone over here speaks of "quality tools" the 3 names Hazet, Gedore and Stahlwille appear in one sentence. They seem to be the most famous ones. Why ? I don´t know, other companies are older than Gedore for example but not so famous like Matador for example. Probably has something to do with the distribution, if your distribution ***** nobody can buy your tools (here or in the EU, USA etc.) and nobody will know your name. The amount of different tools produced/offered, so if you need special car tools you need Hazet or Klann (Gedore) so when you have their special tools then probably their hand tools too because thats what your supplier offers...
Others dont have these tools so you wont find their hand tools in most car shops. If the dealer/distributor already offers Hazet or Klann/Gedore he most likely will not offer the other brands like Stahlwille, Elora etc ...... Hazet seems to have a lot of fans among VW Bug and VW Bus owners, so among these people you have to have Hazet it seems - if you are a ******** enthusiast (not a VW fan at all so i can´t comment, but it´s also probably more a phenomenon in the USA and UK etc. )
( i only know 1 person with a old bus but he has no special tools at all, and a mixed set of hand tools...). The other companies don´t have this "cult" they´re just normal
Gedore - the largest tool manufacturer in Europe own also the largest forging hammer in the EU i was told so they can offer the really big tools and also make tools for other companies (Hazet etc.) so you automatically sell stuff and you also need to offer Gedore for industrial applications (huge wrenches above 50mm) so even with a less known name (at least outside ther german language area) they´re still #1 since they also make almost all their tools on their own (now also the first german ratcheting wrenches). Stahlwille is somewhere in between Hazet + Gedore. You mostly also find these brands in the industrial catalogs ( german "Grainger" etc.), the others not so often (Heyco, Elora).
The list prices among all these tool brands is roughly about similar.
But to cut a long story short it´s like in the US, with the premier manufacturers Snap-On, Mac + Matco and the not so well known (or less available) brands like Wright and Cornwell...
You decide what you like more or where (if) there are differences in quality.
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Others dont have these tools so you wont find their hand tools in most car shops. If the dealer/distributor already offers Hazet or Klann/Gedore he most likely will not offer the other brands like Stahlwille, Elora etc ...... Hazet seems to have a lot of fans among VW Bug and VW Bus owners, so among these people you have to have Hazet it seems - if you are a ******** enthusiast (not a VW fan at all so i can´t comment, but it´s also probably more a phenomenon in the USA and UK etc. )
( i only know 1 person with a old bus but he has no special tools at all, and a mixed set of hand tools...). The other companies don´t have this "cult" they´re just normal
Gedore - the largest tool manufacturer in Europe own also the largest forging hammer in the EU i was told so they can offer the really big tools and also make tools for other companies (Hazet etc.) so you automatically sell stuff and you also need to offer Gedore for industrial applications (huge wrenches above 50mm) so even with a less known name (at least outside ther german language area) they´re still #1 since they also make almost all their tools on their own (now also the first german ratcheting wrenches). Stahlwille is somewhere in between Hazet + Gedore. You mostly also find these brands in the industrial catalogs ( german "Grainger" etc.), the others not so often (Heyco, Elora).
The list prices among all these tool brands is roughly about similar.
But to cut a long story short
it´s like in the US, with the premier manufacturers Snap-On, Mac + Matco and the not so well known (or less available) brands like Wright and Cornwell...You decide what you like more or where (if) there are differences in quality.
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no !
no not a stupid question because not everybody makes them at all or every tool type.
SAE sockets from japan ---> http://www.koken-tool.co.jp/
japanese SAE wrenches: http://ktc.jp/catalog/html/nms2-1_4~1.php
Here the proof that there are german SAE tools
even the common sizes !!
Hazet deep 13/16" socket for lug nuts
german SAE spark plug sockets
expatriated
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Why do they all say "Made in Germany" in English? Do any of them say it in German?
Awesome, thanks Monte.
Another question as I was all over the pics somemore.
If you were to purchase any Hazet box end wrench, any series, have they all been updated to flank drive? Or are some of the designs still the classic non-flank drive box end design? (I noticed in the pics you posted, the 600 N appear to be flank drive but the 610 N do not - unless they are simply older)
Another question as I was
all over the pics somemore.If you were to purchase any Hazet box end wrench, any series, have they all been updated to flank drive? Or are some of the designs still the classic non-flank drive box end design? (I noticed in the pics you posted, the 600 N appear to be flank drive but the 610 N do not - unless they are simply older)
I can fix anything
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That 31/32 socket just got me. I did not think there were any sizes I didn't have.
Never saw anything with a german inscription (sometimes on food sold here, then it says "Hergestellt in Deutschland"). I think it is because "Germany" or "Made in germany" was put on german products so the british consumer could avoid these products. They still use the "Made in Germany" nowdays because it became a sign of quality and consumers/customers around the world can identify these products by looking for the "Germany" rather for "Deutschland" which nobody knows what it is
ps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Made_in_Germany
Awesome, thanks Monte.
Another question as I was
If you were to purchase any Hazet box end wrench, any series, have they all been updated to flank drive? Or are some of the designs still the classic non-flank drive box end design? (I noticed in the pics you posted, the 600 N appear to be flank drive but the 610 N do not - unless they are simply older)
Yes the "600N" combination wrenches have the "Flank Drive" feature, the "603" combination wrenches as well as the box wrenches "610N" "615" "625" and "630" don´t have "Flank Drive". I only own the "600N" and "610N" so far. These are my favourites from Hazet. No problems so far even without flank-drive (610N)
That 31/32 socket just got me. I did not think there were any sizes I didn't have.
Never used mine.... Maybe for airplanes or ...?????
Hazet in Canada: www.spaenaur.com
There are some Hazet tools on ebay.ca with sometimes interesting prices ....
http://shop.ebay.ca/i.html?_trkparm...&_nkw=hazet&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14.l1513&_pgn=1
....http://shop.ebay.ca/i.html?_trkparm...&_nkw=hazet&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14.l1513&_pgn=1
expatriated
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I don't speak German, care to summarize what the findings were?
I'm assuming the red dots with the numbers inside are the rankings--HR from India beat Snap-on, Hazet and Stahlwille? What exactly were the criteria? Price factored into it, I'm sure, but it must have been heavily weighted towards price, no?
I was under the impression that Proxxon is not that great of a tool company these days??
I'm assuming the red dots with the numbers inside are the rankings--HR from India beat Snap-on, Hazet and Stahlwille? What exactly were the criteria? Price factored into it, I'm sure, but it must have been heavily weighted towards price, no?
I was under the impression that Proxxon is not that great of a tool company these days??
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/...&highlight=wrench+test+bahco+hazet#post665385
Look at post #1087 for the complete test (up again 9/26/10 i think) Also look on the next page. There is also a socket test + more info on the wrench test. More tests in post #1125
Proxxon quality seems to be comparable to Snap-On
legend:
Preis = price
Maßhaltigkeit Maulseite = dimensional accuracy open end
Maßhaltigkeit Ringseite = dimensional accuracy box end
Maulbreite = thickness open end
Ringbreite = height box end
Nm max. Maul = maximum torque open end in Newtonmeter
Nm max. Ring = maximum torque box end in Newtonmeter
Bemerkung = comment
Look at post #1087 for the complete test (up again 9/26/10 i think) Also look on the next page. There is also a socket test + more info on the wrench test. More tests in post #1125
Proxxon quality seems to be comparable to Snap-On
legend:
Preis = price
Maßhaltigkeit Maulseite = dimensional accuracy open end
Maßhaltigkeit Ringseite = dimensional accuracy box end
Maulbreite = thickness open end
Ringbreite = height box end
Nm max. Maul = maximum torque open end in Newtonmeter
Nm max. Ring = maximum torque box end in Newtonmeter
Bemerkung = comment
expatriated
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http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/...&highlight=wrench+test+bahco+hazet#post665385
Look at post #1087 for the complete test (up again 9/26/10 i think) Also look on the next page. There is also a socket test + more info on the wrench test. More tests in post #1125
Proxxon quality seems to be comparable to Snap-On
legend:
Preis = price
Maßhaltigkeit Maulseite = dimensional accuracy open end
Maßhaltigkeit Ringseite = dimensional accuracy box end
Maulbreite = thickness open end
Ringbreite = height box end
Nm max. Maul = maximum torque open end in Newtonmeter
Nm max. Ring = maximum torque box end in Newtonmeter
Bemerkung = comment
Thanks, Monte. Now, if we can just get you Germans to speak Spanish like the rest of the world, we can all read what the magazines say
StupidHippie
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To be fair-I am not familiar with the quality of most of the wrenches in this test... but I am as skeptical of of a German magazine rating the top three wrenches of German origin as I would be an American magazine finding the top three wrenches of American origin.
american lockpicker
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So Proxxon wrenches are german? I thought they would be from Taiwan or Luxomberg.
Thanks, Monte. Now, if we can just get you Germans to speak Spanish like the rest of the world, we can all read what the magazines say
yo hablo espanol
El reportaje describe las diferencias individuales de la llave y.... i think it´s a misprint. Taiwan would be correct.
The overall winner was the "Walter" wrench because of the average performance. (torque, fitment + price) Proxxon is from Taiwan, not germany. 4th place already the HR wrench from india. Depending on your individual requirements you could choose your own winner (strongest, thinnest, cheapest etc.)
At the end of the report the writer ask himself the question if it´s worth to buy name brand tools. His answer "The disillusioning answer is no". The every day life shows that wrenches rather get lost instead of worn out so it hurt less if the wrench only cost a few cents versus the 32 Euro of the Snap-On wrench which could make you cry.
The test was performed by the "research institute of tools and material".
The question is if they would fake the results and they would get sued who would hire them again ? Where is the benefit for them ? just for one wrench test for let´s say 1000 bucks ???
The $840 are with shipping included, its not that bad - go get it !!!
btw: another wrench test
from a japanese magazine superautobacs posted once.
The result are in "Meter Kilogramm" multiplied by about 10 gives you the newtonmeter.
Ratcheting combination wrenches:
King Tony 30.66
Signet 25.92
Deen 24.06
Ratcheting reversible combination wrenches:
King Tony 31.3
Signet 29.3
Snap-On 26.34
Hazet 25.62
(ps: Hazet = Gearwrench)
this may have something to do with it
Autoguy
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I never liked the looks and feels of the german tools. They are here for quiet long very long time and never liked or kept any. Once I owned tools from Rashol, Gedore ..etc but sold or donated them soon.
Now they are very expensive and I am sure they are not made in germany.??
Now they are very expensive and I am sure they are not made in germany.??
my tools are a combination of craftsman an armstrong armaloy, so i am probably considered a neanderthal. on top of that i am closing on a house (hopefully) at the end of the week and have a son due dec. 18th. so, i will not be upgrading my tools any time soon.
i just wanted to say that i have to agree with monte about the combination of the polish and satin being appealing.
my wife loves estate sales, and i end up going with her. i have passed up so many german tools (i assume some of you guys would cry at all the stahlwilles and hazet... that i have passed up over the years) for almost no money over the years (i know... another reason to be considered a tool neanderthal. i usually only buy armstrong.). anyways, i will start broadening my horizons and buying up the european tools as well.
monte's "tools of the old world" thread has peaked my interest.
i just wanted to say that i have to agree with monte about the combination of the polish and satin being appealing.
my wife loves estate sales, and i end up going with her. i have passed up so many german tools (i assume some of you guys would cry at all the stahlwilles and hazet... that i have passed up over the years) for almost no money over the years (i know... another reason to be considered a tool neanderthal. i usually only buy armstrong.). anyways, i will start broadening my horizons and buying up the european tools as well.
monte's "tools of the old world" thread has peaked my interest.
sarel.wagner
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German tool **** in this thread.
Too bad they're so expensive or nearly impossible to order online. I wish I could just order any Hazet, Gedore, or Stahlwille tool through Sears just like some Wera and Wiha tools.
For gedore your wish is granted, even specialty tools:
Gedore USA order online....click here
Specialty automotive tools....click here
Rgrds
http://www.gedoretools.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=9247
Thanks, but $500+ gives me sticker shock. I really only need 10mm, 12mm, and 14mm but that's still $100 for three gear wrenches.
Thanks, but $500+ gives me sticker shock. I really only need 10mm, 12mm, and 14mm but that's still $100 for three gear wrenches.
hey but the new ones are made in germany
So the price isn´t that bad
what does snap-on charge ?
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billymade
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Monte, a new tool purchase? How do you like it? Inquiring minds want to know! By the way; does Hazet have rebuild kits or do they just give you a new one; when it breaks?
richfinn
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I think there are some differences culturally between America and Europe. American design to my eyes has an optimistic look where you like to show off whats great about American engineering with a big helping of chrome for protection/easy cleaning/good looks
(I love the 50s American cars/advertising signs from the 60s/Those old Amtrak trains)
After WW2 I think European design became more Austere as money was still tight and people looked for quality function and longevity over ultimate looks and things just became more utilitarian.
(Occasionally Europeans make beautiful things for the ultra wealthy where America makes nice looking things for everyone as the class system isn,t as important)
Britain is kind of different to continental Europe as we dont really mass produce anything anymore and concentrate on bespoke oddball quirky products.
(I love the 50s American cars/advertising signs from the 60s/Those old Amtrak trains)
After WW2 I think European design became more Austere as money was still tight and people looked for quality function and longevity over ultimate looks and things just became more utilitarian.
(Occasionally Europeans make beautiful things for the ultra wealthy where America makes nice looking things for everyone as the class system isn,t as important)
Britain is kind of different to continental Europe as we dont really mass produce anything anymore and concentrate on bespoke oddball quirky products.