Above 1200 Sq/FT OldCarGuy’s New Toy Shop

bmwpower · Oct 30, 2007

You called it... I said "What the heck is that thing" when I first saw your post.

I have a set of special BMW tools you are more than welcome to duplicate for me...cost me $400 a set...maybe we could make some $$ for Christmas...

Amazing.

Again...is there anything you don't have.

We should start a contest. "Name something that OldCarGuy DOESN'T have...and you win!".

Nightshift · Oct 30, 2007

Hey oldcarguy, I see you've got a nice Powermatic 143 in the background there ... looks in nice shape (except for the little wow in the base ... just kidding).

NS
(well at least I've got one thing that he's got) LOL

cyclopsblown34 · Oct 30, 2007

My link to this site is the thread on his new toy shop. I never realized he had two different threads going.

PAToyota · Oct 30, 2007

This is the New Toy Shop Thread...

OldCarGuy · Oct 31, 2007

Nightshift said:
Hey oldcarguy, I see you've got a nice Powermatic 143 in the background there ... looks in nice shape (except for the little wow in the base ... just kidding).

NS
(well at least I've got one thing that he's got) LOL

Good eye Nightshift,, the Powermatic 143 bandsaw is a great little saw. I salvaged this saw from being scrapped years ago. Part of the cast iron upper housing has been broken, along with the bent lower base. Never got around making it more presentable; but it cuts straight and true. The 40 to 3,000 SFM makes it good for cutting, wood, plastic, aluminum, or steel. The 14” throat size is big enough for most work around my shop. And it’s floor-print is small compared to a full size DoAll or Grob saw.

Mr. Welsh · Oct 31, 2007

shopking68 said:
I would be afraid of the thieves...

More likely, he doesn't reveal his location because he knows all the locals will show up with all kinds of junk that they want to work on using his tools, space, and knowledge.

JSK · Nov 16, 2007

This is addressed to Old Car Guy

Your choice of lifts is respectable. Being in Ohio I find it hard to believe you could purchase anything else as their rep out there has been pushing them for over a decade. Great product.

But I will gladly stand toe-to-toe with them model-to-model whenever an opportunity arises. True, BendPak when comparing to Mohawk (who specializes in governmental sales) is a great value but quality and dependability are not sacrificed.

I will offer this to Old Car Guy (in return for your honest and obviously much respected critique) - I will gladly ship to you one of our 10K two-post models at my expense covered in full for your review. Seeing your photos (I’m very jealous) I’m sure you could find room.

Please reply.

Anticipating’ly yours,

Jeff Kritzer
SR. VP.
Sales & Marketing
BendPak Inc.

boiler7904 · Nov 16, 2007

JSK said:
This is addressed to Old Car Guy

Your choice of lifts is respectable. Being in Ohio I find it hard to believe you could purchase anything else as their rep out there has been pushing them for over a decade. Great product.

But I will gladly stand toe-to-toe with them model-to-model whenever an opportunity arises. True, BendPak when comparing to Mohawk (who specializes in governmental sales) is a great value but quality and dependability are not sacrificed.

I will offer this to Old Car Guy (in return for your honest and obviously much respected critique) - I will gladly ship to you one of our 10K two-post models at my expense covered in full for your review. Seeing your photos (I’m very jealous) I’m sure you could find room.

Please reply.

Anticipating’ly yours,

Jeff Kritzer
SR. VP.
Sales & Marketing
BendPak Inc.

I think we have a Garage Journal first - someone giving (or least temporarily loaning) a new lift for free :wtf:

. I wonder how long it will be before JSK starts getting requests for free lifts.

bluesman2a · Nov 17, 2007

boiler7904 said:
I think we have a Garage Journal first - someone giving (or least temporarily loaning) a new lift for free. I wonder how long it will be before JSK starts getting requests for free lifts.

Not to 'jack the thread, but I see this type of activity as important to a place like this. It's NOT about a free lift people. It's about finding a quality product you are willing to trust your personal safety to. I read EVERY lift post I could find both here and on other boards I value. The feedback is dogmatic at best. Everybody agrees that it needs to be ALI certified. Most say "no cheapo asian shyte". Other than that, people are all over the board on personal experiences.

I *AGONIZED* over what lift to buy and came down to either a Rotary or a Bendpak. In the end I had to go with Rotary for several reasons: 1) I found a local vendor who would also install it that I trusted. 2) There is absolutely no negative feedback about Rotary (only minor for Bendpak though) 3) There were Rotary lifts locally I could go look at in professional shops. 4) I had a cash infusion to my budget that allowed me to buy the rotary and not worry about it.

I would have LOVED to have somebody who did a fair comparison between the two in our type of environment and could tell me the Bendpak is a decent product. It would have saved me a little over a grand.

In short to the Bendpak folks I say :beer:

To OldCarguy or anybody else who can step up to this request, please take up this offer and give our members the value of your insight. To fellow members: please don't make this vendor regret getting involved in a way that can only benefit us.

JSK · Nov 17, 2007

We're willing to take the risk.

Not only do we stand behind our products, but comfortably under them as well.

P.S.

OCG - The lift is for "keepsies" - clear title - plus I'm throwing in the installation as well. A great opportunity for unbiased feedback. ( Sorry to all for not including you too. )

Happy wrenching.

JSK
BendPak

boiler7904 · Nov 17, 2007

bluesman2a said:
Not to 'jack the thread, but I see this type of activity as important to a place like this. It's NOT about a free lift people. It's about finding a quality product you are willing to trust your personal safety to. I read EVERY lift post I could find both here and on other boards I value. The feedback is dogmatic at best. Everybody agrees that it needs to be ALI certified. Most say "no cheapo asian shyte". Other than that, people are all over the board on personal experiences.

I *AGONIZED* over what lift to buy and came down to either a Rotary or a Bendpak. In the end I had to go with Rotary for several reasons: 1) I found a local vendor who would also install it that I trusted. 2) There is absolutely no negative feedback about Rotary (only minor for Bendpak though) 3) There were Rotary lifts locally I could go look at in professional shops. 4) I had a cash infusion to my budget that allowed me to buy the rotary and not worry about it.

I would have LOVED to have somebody who did a fair comparison between the two in our type of environment and could tell me the Bendpak is a decent product. It would have saved me a little over a grand.

In short to the Bendpak folks I say To OldCarguy or anybody else who can step up to this request, please take up this offer and give our members the value of your insight. To fellow members: please don't make this vendor regret getting involved in a way that can only benefit us.

You're right, it is important. If you only relied on a manufacturer's literature and advertising, you could pick any brand and expect / receive equal performance. In the real world, each person is subjecting a tool or piece of equipment to a different set of demands that they won't be able to read about in a brochure. Doing a head to head comparison is nearly impossible for the average consumer for a multitude of reasons - space, money, time, dealer support, etc.

I work for an architecture firm and get involved in specifying a lot of equipment and building components - vehicle lifts come up every once in a while. In fact the job I'm working on now will have a 90,000 lb Rotary lift for municipal snowplows and firetrucks and a smaller lift for ambulances, 1 ton dumptrucks, pickups, and police cars. Helping an owner decide what they need is challenging. They all base decisions on what they have now (maybe 10 or 15+ years old) or another brand that they worked with 20 years ago. That prejudices people. If they had a bad experience 20 years ago, it doesn't matter if that manufacturer is now the best available or has better dealer support - they won't consider it. On the flip side, if they are dealing with a crappy brand now, they usually tend to stick with it because it's what they know.

I think it's impressive that a company like Bendpak will allow sales and marketing people the flexibility, creativity, and latitude to set up a fairly major item like a vehicle lift and let a potential customer or group of customers look at their product head to head with other brands. You don't see that very often. I wish I could get some of the sales reps I deal with to do that kind of testing for our clients.

bluesman2a · Nov 17, 2007

boiler7904 said:
I think it's impressive that a company like Bendpak will allow sales and marketing people the flexibility, creativity, and latitude to set up a fairly major item like a vehicle lift and let a potential customer or group of customers look at their product head to head with other brands. You don't see that very often.

Agreed X100.

JSK said:
We're willing to take the risk.

Not only do we stand behind our products, but comfortably under them as well.

P.S.

OCG - The lift is for "keepsies" - clear title - plus I'm throwing in the installation as well. A great opportunity for unbiased feedback. ( Sorry to all for not including you too. )

I think this is a great opportunity not only for our community to get some hard data, but to break some long standing myths. Thank you for stepping up like this with a generous offer that could potentially benefit a number of prospective customers. I wouldn't feel bad about not being able to do more, but I would ask if OCG can't do it for some reason, that you pick another suitable test environment (there are several here with space aplenty and a number of other lift brands, granted none as diverse as OCG).

Mr. Welsh · Nov 17, 2007

I suppose I'll take one for the team. You can install it at my place and I'll invite OldCarGuy over to review it.

I think he lives very close to me.

OldCarGuy · Nov 18, 2007

I feel as if I won the lottery,, and I have yet to purchase a ticket!

JSK said:
This is addressed to Old Car Guy

Your choice of lifts is respectable. Being in Ohio I find it hard to believe you could purchase anything else as their rep out there has been pushing them for over a decade. Great product.

But I will gladly stand toe-to-toe with them model-to-model whenever an opportunity arises. True, BendPak when comparing to Mohawk (who specializes in governmental sales) is a great value but quality and dependability are not sacrificed.

I will offer this to Old Car Guy (in return for your honest and obviously much respected critique) - I will gladly ship to you one of our 10K two-post models at my expense covered in full for your review. Seeing your photos (I’m very jealous) I’m sure you could find room.

Please reply.

Anticipating’ly yours,

Jeff Kritzer
SR. VP.
Sales & Marketing
BendPak Inc.

JSK said:
We're willing to take the risk.

Not only do we stand behind our products, but comfortably under them as well.

P.S.

OCG - The lift is for "keepsies" - clear title - plus I'm throwing in the installation as well. A great opportunity for unbiased feedback. ( Sorry to all for not including you too. )

Happy wrenching.

JSK
BendPak

Jeff Kritzer
SR. VP.
Sales & Marketing
BendPak Inc.

Any organization must have a lot of confidence in their products to make such a tempting offer. Morever that’s an opportunity that I cannot and will not refuse. And therefore I will agree to post my honest and complete review of your lift. In exchange for a new BendPak 10,000 pound capacity two-post lift of my choice.

I am in the process of communicating with Ryan, the board owner, for his blessings. Just to make sure this doesn’t go against any of the board’s rules and regulations. Additionally I have requested some special provisions from him.. Such as being highlighted on the front page to a new and separate section related to lifts to place my evaluation and any other threads related to car lifts. A separate lift section is something that I have pushed for since I joined the board. I also would like other members to stop over my garage and help with the evaluation process and add their remarks.

Again I recognize the confidence you have in your products and thank you and your company for the faith you have placed in my expertise in evaluating one of them.

Best Regards,
OldCarGuy...

PS: I’ll be contacting you on Monday to confirm our agreement and make the necessary arrangemants.

JSK · Nov 19, 2007

Alright guys and gals, the lift project is in motion.

OCG and myself hooked up this morning. I was pleased to hear him buzz my office even before my coffee had cooled. He did sound like someone who won the lottery. Glad to be a part of that excitement.

We chatted for a few minutes and I explained that my intention is to send him our new two-post model expected to arrive by years end. No sense in going through the trouble to critique a lift that will be discontinued soon - the significant changes being the lifting carriage and arm components.

I explained to OCG that I would appreciate a photo journal of the delivery, installation and review.

We both expect this to be an exciting adventure for all of us. Again, this is in no way an attempt to discredit Mohawk because that would surely show ignorance on my behalf. But only to give DIY'ers another opinion and offering from another great global brand like BendPak.

Now if OCG calls and asks me to put a big red bow around the thing, I may have to question that!

We’ll keep you all posted.

Ho, ho, ho!

Jeff Kritzer
BendPak

Junkman · Nov 19, 2007

I have a Bend Pak HD9, and I could use a RJ4500 rolling jack...... I would be very willing to critique its installation and use, if you can get me a good deal on one. I'm willing to even send some $$$$$ your way to help offset the cost.... :beer:

bmwpower · Nov 19, 2007

Junkman said:
I have a Bend Pak HD9, and I could use a RJ4500 rolling jack...... I would be very willing to critique its installation and use, if you can get me a good deal on one. I'm willing to even send some $$$$$ your way to help offset the cost....

Congrats, OldCarGuy!

JSK,
I'm sure you'll be sick of hearing this, but I must throw in my plea....

Now if BendPak needs an honest eval on one of their 4 post lifts, I have already remodeled my attached garage to accept it! Afterall, many people prefer 4 post lifts for one reason or another. Might be a good idea to cover all your bases...

Junkman · Nov 21, 2007

Junkman said:
I have a Bend Pak HD9, and I could use a RJ4500 rolling jack...... I would be very willing to critique its installation and use, if you can get me a good deal on one. I'm willing to even send some $$$$$ your way to help offset the cost....

bmwpower said:
Congrats, OldCarGuy!

JSK,
I'm sure you'll be sick of hearing this, but I must throw in my plea....

Now if BendPak needs an honest eval on one of their 4 post lifts, I have already remodeled my attached garage to accept it! Afterall, many people prefer 4 post lifts for one reason or another. Might be a good idea to cover all your bases...

Guess that we will have to sit on Santa's lap to make our wishes known.... :lol_hitti

Mr. Welsh · Nov 27, 2007

What's your RV like? Got it moved into the barn yet?

OldCarGuy · Nov 27, 2007

Mr. Welsh said:
What's your RV like? Got it moved into the barn yet?

My motor home is a 102” wide by 40’ long Tourmaster by Gulfstream. It is a diesel pusher powered by a 300 plus horsepower Cummins engine. That I up-grated with a Banks turbo unit. Linked up to a Allison six speed automatic transmission with double overdrives. The engine turns 1700 RPM, in top overdrive she will cruise all day long at 65 MPH. And it takes a good size hill to drop down a gear… Even when I pull my enclosed car hauler that I gross out close to 40,000 pounds and 66' OAL. With the 170 gallon fuel tank I can travel 1400 miles between fillups, about 9 MPG. When solo she gets closer to 10 MPG…

She has all the comforts of any home. With central heating and air conditioning. Hot and cold running water for sinks and shower. Refrigerator/freezer, ice maker, stove and microwave ovens. Along with a washer and dryer and central vacuum, three televisions and three sound systems.

She is safe and sound nestled in one of my heated and air conditioned garages when she’s not on the road…

Vicegrip · Nov 27, 2007

The rich get richer!

ephotrod · Nov 27, 2007

Can i rent your motor home it sounds nicer than my current living conditions!

Nice motorhome. Congrats on it and your awesome work shops.
Josh

1991Syclone · Dec 20, 2007

Vicegrip said:
The rich get richer!

Or... those that work hard get rewarded.

Nightshift · Dec 20, 2007

Vicegrip said:
The rich get richer!

Or the poor win the lottery

Fueler · Dec 25, 2007

Hi,
I was wondering about your furnace/AC. How is it working out for you?
What is the unit on the shelf next to it?

Thanks
Dave

Ray in Kingwood · Dec 26, 2007

This was so beautiful, it brought me to tears!

OldCarGuy · Dec 29, 2007

Fueler said:
Hi,
I was wondering about your furnace/AC. How is it working out for you?
What is the unit on the shelf next to it?

Thanks
Dave

The furnace/AC units that you mentioned are Armstrong's MagicPak's. They have 60,000 BTU natural gas heating and 30,000 BTU of cooling. I’m sure that one of their smaller units would have performed okay, for the few pennies more I purchased the largest they offered at the time. In my book bigger is better, as long as you don’t oversize too much. I have been using MagicPaks, seven in total, for many years and continue to be extremely happy with no breakdowns.

The white unit next to the heater is a 50 pint Westinghouse Dehumidifier. I have one in each of my garages and run them 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Humidity is the worst enemy to antique cars and machinery.

Crossthread · Dec 29, 2007

Vicegrip said:
The rich get richer!

Or work hard, work smart and be a good guy. If you do these 3 then things tend to work out. I personally need to work on all 3.

Mr. Welsh · Dec 31, 2007

Nightshift said:
Or the poor win the lottery

...and spend until they're broke again.

Did the Bendpak deal work out?

OldCarGuy · Jan 2, 2008

Mr. Welsh said:
...Did the Bendpak deal work out?

The BendPak deal is still on course. I’m still in the process of the makeover for lift’s arrival next month. Though progress has been somewhat at a standstill since I have been enjoying the warmth and sights around Mexico. Did you ever receive a massage in the open air on a sunny day overlooking the clear ocean on Isla Mujeres?

Matt2point4 · Jan 2, 2008

Yeah. That's exactly what the UK looks like today

PAToyota · Jan 2, 2008

Ok, you officially ****! :lol_hitti

Enjoy your holiday!

ranunculous · Jan 4, 2008

Your JLG scissor lift was an out-and-out "steal" at that price.Haa haa.
It looks like a Commander model.I gained employment at the company as the last of those models were rolling out the door.Good machines.
It was built at the Weber Lane,Bedford plant I'd bet.
We used to test the larger model machines at twice their lift capacity.If yours is rated at 750lbs,once in a great while we'd set 1,500 on the deck and help it to lift up with our shoulder,after that it'd ascend the whole way up.I wouldn't advise that now...hoses,fittings and the pump get old.Go with the posted weight rating for best results!
They're the industry standard(along with Ingersoll Rand) and built like a tank.
The "main" plant used to brag of "steel to wheels" in 7 days.Hell,we did that in under 5.
Bad press for the "main" plant to be beaten,I guess?
Nice place you've got there! Hard work and focus got you what you deserve!
Good health and happiness to you and yours!

P.S.If you ever want a good belly laugh,wait til one of your buddies is riding it and real quietly release the rollout release lever for the deck.When he comes to a stop the rollout keeps goin'....He'll about soil himself(but won't come to any harm.)
That was worth a laugh every time!

Vicegrip · Jan 5, 2008

Crossthread said:
Or work hard, work smart and be a good guy. If you do these 3 then things tend to work out. I personally need to work on all 3.

Just a saying and a good natured poke at a regular poster. I too work on all 3 and count my blessings.

itb76 · Jan 5, 2008

Re: OldCarGuy’s New Toy Shop

Great garage OCG!

Crossthread said:
Or work hard, work smart and be a good guy. If you do these 3 then things tend to work out. I personally need to work on all 3.

As often as you see people get rich by being crooks, it's good to remind oneself of this. I also need to work on all three.

andyj · Jan 7, 2008

Your clausing colchester lathe....

Hi there old car car guy... a great read this thread..
Noticed your piccies & text on the lathe a few pages back, I am from Colchester, England where they made that lathe :thumbup:

, & my father worked all his career with the lathe company (600 group) when they were in full swing.... until they shut the Colchester factory and then had to relocate it all up to Yorkshire UK. he spent alot of time on the drawing board in his early days before moving into management and is always interested to find out where the old lathes are now..
well i sent him some details & your pic and this is what he came back with.

"Good Grief - where did you dig that up.
It's a 7" lathe built for the American market. The rest of the world knew it as a Colchester Triumph 2000 (2000 rpm being the top spindle speed). Clausing were an American subsidiary of 600 Group and marketed the lathes on our behalf all were made here in Colchester. The two multi-coloured frying pan levers on the front of the headstock were manipulated to change spindle speeds. Quick-change is not quite right to describe it. The person describing probably thinks this refers to the quickness of changing spindle speeds but the expression really refers to the toolpost on top of the saddle. The toolpost fitted to this saddle can accommodate only a single tool was the most cost effective item that could be fitted and is not quick-change. A quick-change toolpost was a square block holding up to 4 different tools in toolholders at any one time. The toolholders could be changed very rapidly by the flick of a lever and any amount of tools could be used to complete a job at one hit. The lathe was probably built during the 1970's before we introduced electronic variable speed lathes in the 80's. Looks like its being put to good use...."

Just a little information for you...
best wishes
Andy
Colchester
England
United Kingdom

OldCarGuy · Jan 8, 2008

Re: Your clausing colchester lathe....

andyj said:
Hi there old car car guy... a great read this thread..
Noticed your piccies & text on the lathe a few pages back, I am from Colchester, England where they made that lathe , & my father worked all his career with the lathe company (600 group) when they were in full swing.... until they shut the Colchester factory and then had to relocate it all up to Yorkshire UK. he spent alot of time on the drawing board in his early days before moving into management and is always interested to find out where the old lathes are now..
well i sent him some details & your pic and this is what he came back with.

"Good Grief - where did you dig that up.
It's a 7" lathe built for the American market. The rest of the world knew it as a Colchester Triumph 2000 (2000 rpm being the top spindle speed). Clausing were an American subsidiary of 600 Group and marketed the lathes on our behalf all were made here in Colchester. The two multi-coloured frying pan levers on the front of the headstock were manipulated to change spindle speeds. Quick-change is not quite right to describe it. The person describing probably thinks this refers to the quickness of changing spindle speeds but the expression really refers to the toolpost on top of the saddle. The toolpost fitted to this saddle can accommodate only a single tool was the most cost effective item that could be fitted and is not quick-change. A quick-change toolpost was a square block holding up to 4 different tools in toolholders at any one time. The toolholders could be changed very rapidly by the flick of a lever and any amount of tools could be used to complete a job at one hit. The lathe was probably built during the 1970's before we introduced electronic variable speed lathes in the 80's. Looks like its being put to good use...."

Just a little information for you...
best wishes
Andy
Colchester
England
United Kingdom

The Clausing Colchester is one of the finest lathes I ever came across. And will out perform most lathes on the market. Mine was manufactured in 1978, all original and well taken care of. It can still hold tight tolerances. It’s shear weight of 3500 pounds makes for chatter free turning and smooth operation. The simplicity of changing the 16 speeds of the spindle is well designed. From 25 to 2,000 RPM’s simply by changing the two selectors levers. The 25 RPM is plenty slow for larger diameter turning or thread chasing. And at 2,000 RPM, she is great for turning small diameter parts and runs smooth as silk. When I show her off, I always crank her up at full speed. And the foot petal brake will quickly bring her to a stop.

It’s interesting that your Father referred my lathe as a 7”. When actually it is marketed as a 15” swing. Its' capacity is 15 1\4 over the bed ans 9 1/2” over the cross slide.

Thanks for sharing the letter from you Father. Send him my best wishes. And thank him for his part in manufacturing such a great lathe! :beer:

Matt2point4 · Jan 8, 2008

I wish I had the knowledge to *use* all the tools you have OldCarGuy, I can only imagine the satisfaction you get from your fabrication adventures!

toolman1967 · Jan 8, 2008

Re: OldCarGuy’s New Toy Shop

OK I just joined and this is one of the first threads I saw....I am on AWE. I had a nice shop up north and moved to southern Illinois and am still coveting an adition to my 2 car garage. Its packed FULL. But MAN I would give my left arm for that garage... :drool:

bmwpower · Jan 8, 2008

Which one?...lol...he has like 4 or 5.

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