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Well the UPS man made his delivery today, And he will be back Monday and tuesday and Probably Wed as ive been burning that $50 dollars off coupon and free shipping up. Ive placed 5 seperate orders within the last 4 days, I was gonna wait till these socket sets arrived before i pursued anymore SK stuff, Needless to say I'm not disapointed with the Newly produced Sk stuff. The Chrome isnt as Lusturious as Wright branded sockets but its typical of what SK looked like in the past and if these hold up as well as the Older stuff ill be happy. Im not much of a Photographer so the pictures probably wont do them justice. The Ratchets are well.. Just like your typical SK Round heads, Whether you love or Hate Round head ratchets you cant deny they have proven themselves over the years. And the Greatest thing is that im supporting a US company that brought SK back from the brink of Death and kept production here in the US. Anyways.. Ill be posting up some more pictures as things arrive, I decided to order a 2nd set of these Socket sets because frankly.. These are Mine All Mine... LOL

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I got those same two sets about a month ago. I've been using them at work. No complaints.
 

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i wouldnt mind seeing their long pattern 6pt combo wrenches if you want to try them too /nudge /nudge
 

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Nice sets Hiball, thanks for the pics. Got the 47pc 3/8" set myself and I really like the ratchet. A tad high pitch on the clicks maybe. :lol_hitti
 
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i wouldnt mind seeing their long pattern 6pt combo wrenches if you want to try them too /nudge /nudge

Im not a big fan of 6pt wrenches, Thats not to say if i ran across a set at a good price i wouldnt buy them but i would rather just have a quality 12pt set.


Nice sets Hiball, thanks for the pics. Got the 47pc 3/8" set myself and I really like the ratchet. A tad high pitch on the clicks maybe. :lol_hitti

It definitely lets you know its engaged, I think it will quiet down after some use/lube.
 

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My set
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hmmm...that doesn't look too good.

Are the problems only on a couple of the sockets, or are there issues with many of them?

Where did you order the set from? I wonder if this is new production or old production from right before they went under?


I assume Hiball would have mentioned if his set had issues like this.
 

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hmmm...that doesn't look too good.

Are the problems only on a couple of the sockets, or are there issues with many of them?

Where did you order the set from? I wonder if this is new production or old production from right before they went under?


I assume Hiball would have mentioned if his set had issues like this.

Theres gradations on quality from good to rust spots.
Ill give a count and more details after I help my wife.
 
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Wow Scott.. That is terrible. I went thru every socket in both sets and didnt see anything that resembled that. The only 2 blemishes i found was on 2 sockets, On of them the double line didnt quite make it all around the socket and there was one socket where you could see a copper colored material thru the chrome, I just supposed this was where the chrome didnt adhere or was thin..
 

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So..
Am I off to advance auto with my box(es) and ask for a replacement? I'd like to give them another chance, considering Hiball had sets that were fine.

stephen9666:
Missed your other question. I bought the same advance auto set that hiball bought.
 

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That reminds me of the quality of the SK products from the last ~10 years or so which is why i was never a big fan...hopefully just a fluke, even SO has had sockets with the chrome coming off out of the package.

I just supposed this was where the chrome didnt adhere or was thin..

You cant see through chrome. Its a solid metal. Doesnt matter if its wafer thin or a foot thick. If you have a socket that looks noticeably darker my guess is its nickel plated only.

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Am I off to advance auto with my box(es) and ask for a replacement? I'd like to give them another chance, considering Hiball had sets that were fine.

You could take it up with SK directly. Email them with photos of the new set, i'm sure they'd be interested and see what they'd be willing to do. Maybe you'd get some freebies that way ;). Worst case scenerio you just do an exchange with AAP.
 
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You could take it up with SK directly. Email them with photos of the new set, i'm sure they'd be interested and see what they'd be willing to do. Maybe you'd get some freebies that way ;). Worst case scenerio you just do an exchange with AAP.

I'm on it. I certainly want to give this another shot. I really want this to work out and get their 1/2 drive set as well.
 

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You could take it up with SK directly. Email them with photos of the new set, i'm sure they'd be interested and see what they'd be willing to do. Maybe you'd get some freebies that way ;). Worst case scenerio you just do an exchange with AAP.

I emailed SK when I had a couple issues with a wrench set I bought a few weeks ago. They recommended I return it to Advance Auto. But, they said they would pay for a return label to ship it back to them directly if I couldn't exchange it at Advance Auto.
 
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I'm on it. I certainly want to give this another shot. I really want this to work out and get their 1/2 drive set as well.

Something to consider, and I know you want to "upgrade" from Craftsman, however when I bought my 299 piece socket set I got around 8 that had flaking chrome on them (one about as bad, the rest were very minor but I was OCD). I called them up (there is a # on the set sheet page included in the shipped package) and 3 days later they were at my door. Sears, at least at this point in time, is incredibly easy to deal with as far as customer satisfaction.

I just recently bought the deep offset wrench set, and 3 of them were slightly bent. They are in the mail on their way to me as I speak.

The SK stuff is 200% - 400% more $$ than Sears, and by the looks of it have the same issues that some of the Sears stuff does when new. The vast majority of the new Sears sockets looked fantastic. Just something to think about...SK may not be a true "upgrade". You might need to go used Snap-On to get the next step up in US made quality.
 

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The SK stuff is 200% - 400% more $$ than Sears, and by the looks of it have the same issues that some of the Sears stuff does when new. The vast majority of the new Sears sockets looked fantastic. Just something to think about...SK may not be a true "upgrade". You might need to go used Snap-On to get the next step up in US made quality.


I might be the "test balloon" here on this.
 
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I just got home and went thru both Sockets sets again, The Only 2 issues that i had are with the 1/4" Deep and 5/16" Deep out of the 1/4 Drive Set. Again.. My pictures blow as i need a desk light or something to highlight the areas prior to snapping the picture. The 5/16" Socket has some Brownish/Copper looking color thru the Chrome/Nickel. When i first seen the socket, I thought it was some sort of rust but it doesnt wipe off nor is it rough to the touch. The second issue is with the 1/4" Deep and the Line and the "1" on the Size stamp didnt get a good impression. I have Zero Chrome flaking issues etc.. If i take my Camera and hit the inside of the Sockets (Especially with the flash) it does show some Imperfection deep down inside (Brown spots etc) but Nothing that i feel is Detrimental to the tool or its Use. No chrome issues on the business ends, But with a camera you can see that the Inside isnt perfectly smooth on some sockets. I would rate the Exterior Chrome/Nickel on Scotts sockets as Very poor compared to my issues but on the inside i see some similarities on some of the sockets. Im personally not gonna worry about any of my blemishes, If they start chipping etc ill take action. In Reality these are Drive tools, Not dinner plates.

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The SK stuff is 200% - 400% more $$ than Sears

I suspect if your comparing Retail to Retail the 200% Margin might get close but 400% is way off.. Unless your comparing Raised Flat panel wrenches to SK Combo Wrenches. You can find both brands at severly discounted prices with a little searching.
 
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The SK stuff is 200% - 400% more $$ than Sears, and by the looks of it have the same issues that some of the Sears stuff does when new. The vast majority of the new Sears sockets looked fantastic. Just something to think about...SK may not be a true "upgrade". You might need to go used Snap-On to get the next step up in US made quality.

I think you're overestimating the cost difference.

Example - the long pattern Sears pro combos are $100. You can get them cheaper on sale, of course.

I paid $120 shipped for a simar SK long pattern wrench set from Advance.
 
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I was going to pick up the 48pc set but I could not get the VISA discount code to work anyone else having this problem?

I just checked it and it worked, You have to have at least $150 bucks in your cart to get the full $50.
 

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I think you're overestimating the cost difference.

Example - the long pattern Sears pro combos are $100. You can get them cheaper on sale, of course.

I paid $120 shipped for a simar SK long pattern wrench set from Advance.

Right we are talking sockets here
 

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Something to consider, and I know you want to "upgrade" from Craftsman, however when I bought my 299 piece socket set I got around 8 that had flaking chrome on them (one about as bad, the rest were very minor but I was OCD). I called them up (there is a # on the set sheet page included in the shipped package) and 3 days later they were at my door. Sears, at least at this point in time, is incredibly easy to deal with as far as customer satisfaction.

I just recently bought the deep offset wrench set, and 3 of them were slightly bent. They are in the mail on their way to me as I speak.

The SK stuff is 200% - 400% more $$ than Sears, and by the looks of it have the same issues that some of the Sears stuff does when new. The vast majority of the new Sears sockets looked fantastic. Just something to think about...SK may not be a true "upgrade". You might need to go used Snap-On to get the next step up in US made quality.


Wright is the next step up in US made quality... Snap-on is a GIANT leap for very little added benefit. Even used snap-on costs twice as much as brand new Wright, and for very little if any added quality. I will pit any Wright tool against its snap-on equivalent any day.

Now, when you're getting into specialized tools for automotive work, obviously SO whips an industrial tool company like Wright... but I've gotten the sense from his other thread that he isn't looking for a bunch of specialized automotive tools.

Here's a couple pics of what I've put together so far. I have probably paid about half retail total, thanks to a couple great deals from members here, and online. This entire assortment cost me ~$400, I could barely buy half that in Snap-on if I was looking for like new condition with no engravings.

A particular bargain is Wright's ratchets. A dual pawl contour grip 3/8" ratchet as shown in my picture can be had for $25 from Harry Epstein, which is in my opinion the best deal going for a ratchet at that price point, period. Eve paying full price, you're looking at half the cost of an equivalent SO, with nearly the same tooth count... plus Wright isn't afraid to stamp USA on their tools. :lol_hitti



Anyways, Snap-on is a great brand, but I truly think Wright is a better fit for the non-pro that just wants great quality. I'm a pro by day, but I still don't want garbage in my box at home.
 

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New Wright at the cheapest prices i could find [$5-$8 per socket] isnt much cheaper than used SO. Given a few weeks for the product to pop up i could slap together a SO set in great condition for similar money. The only thing that sells for big cash is large sets, especially 1/2", and the service sets in the blow mold cases command stupid amounts also. If you shop for the individual sets then its far easier to stay in that $6-$10 per socket range.

Example. SO 6pt 3/8 metric deep set. 12 sockets [8-19mm] the going rate is around $70-$80 in auction (6.67 per socket). Cheapest Wright 355 14 sockets [6-19mm] ~$100 (7.14 per socket).

SO 6pt 1/4 metric deep set. 12 sockets [5-15mm] the going rate is around $90 (7.50 per socket). Cheapest Wright 257 9 sockets [5-13m] is around $60 (6.67 per socket).

I would not call this a "giant" leap and certainly not twice as much. The only way you can spend twice as much is if you avoid hunting for auctions all together and just use the BINs of whatever is available regardless of if its the actual street price or not.

I did the math before i purchased the giant Cman set. To do just 6pt in wright [except for 1/2" because there is no 6pt metric so 12pt was substituted] the total cost for SAE/Metric in every drive size, using the absolutely cheapest sources i could find on the web, came out to $7.25 per socket for 136 sockets. I looked at that and immedietly decided to avoid them because for that money i could essentially shop any brand i wanted and at the time i was shopping for value for dollar and the Cman set came in at ~$1 per socket. Truth be told if i wanted to spend $7.25 per socket i'd of gotten a truck brand.
 
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New Wright at the cheapest prices i could find [$5-$8 per socket] isnt much cheaper than used SO. Given a few weeks for the product to pop up i could slap together a SO set in great condition for similar money. The only thing that sells for big cash is large sets, especially 1/2", and the service sets in the blow mold cases command stupid amounts also. If you shop for the individual sets then its far easier to stay in that $6-$10 per socket range.

Example. SO 6pt 3/8 metric deep set. 12 sockets [8-19mm] the going rate is around $70-$80 in auction (6.67 per socket). Cheapest Wright 355 14 sockets [6-19mm] ~$100 (7.14 per socket).

SO 6pt 1/4 metric deep set. 12 sockets [5-15mm] the going rate is around $90 (7.50 per socket). Cheapest Wright 257 9 sockets [5-13m] is around $60 (6.67 per socket).

I would not call this a "giant" leap and certainly not twice as much. The only way you can spend twice as much is if you avoid hunting for auctions all together and just use the BINs of whatever is available regardless of if its the actual street price or not.

I did the math before i purchased the giant Cman set. To do just 6pt in wright [except for 1/2" because there is no 6pt metric so 12pt was substituted] the total cost for SAE/Metric in every drive size, using the absolutely cheapest sources i could find on the web, came out to $7.25 per socket for 136 sockets. I looked at that and immedietly decided to avoid them because for that money i could essentially shop any brand i wanted and at the time i was shopping for value for dollar and the Cman set came in at ~$1 per socket. Truth be told if i wanted to spend $7.25 per socket i'd of gotten a truck brand.

Honestly, I think you're taking the best case scenario for snap-on, and the middle ground for wright prices.

I also think you're not representing the per socket cost accurately. Brand new Wright sockets average about $6-7, and Snap-on sockets average more than twice that cost. Once you get into deep sockets, the difference is substantial, with SO sockets getting into the $20-30 range each, while Wright is still hovering around $10.

Just as an example, one of the most commonly used sockets (IMO) is a 7/16" shallow in 3/8" drive. SO wants $13, the wright socket is $5.20 from Royal supply, one of Wright's main online resellers.

People generally consider paying 50% of retail on snap-on a "good deal", but to be honest, people regularly pay MUCH more for good condition SO. I see people paying 80% of retail all day long on mint condition SO second hand. If you look at it in that light, used SO in equivalent condition easily costs twice what brand new Wright does... add the ratchets, extensions, and u-joints in, and it gets even worse.

Snap-on asks $41 for a 3/8" universal joint which wright offers for $18-19, and which can be found routinely for $10 on ebay. A used F80 can fetch nearly three times the price of a Wright 3490, and it sure as hell isn't three times the ratchet.

Let's compare socket sets apples to apples: The Wright 312 11pc. Socket set, 1/4-7/8 6pt. shallow, can be had from Hardware sales brand new for $60 shipped, even less if you have purchased there before and have a 5% off coupon. The equivalent SO socket set, the 211FSY which contains the sames sizes and amount of sockets, costs $146 from SO, and I rarely see it go second hand in mint condition for less than $90-100, so my claim of used snap-on being nearly twice the price of brand new Wright stands firm.

For wrench sets, you can get a Wright 907 full polish wrench set for $70 brand new from royal supply, whereas the snap-on equivalent OEX707B costs $183 new and $120 as an average price on the used market. New, the snap-on set costs more than twice as much.

Sure, you can pick out exceptions here and there, but for the tools that the average user purchases, my claim that used snap-on costs nearly twice what new Wright costs, is true in many cases. If you do a true apples to apples comparison and go new to new or used to used, then things get really crazy...

I just paid $60 for Wright deep and shallow 12pt. 3/8" drive sockets (total of 22 sockets) on the second hand market, the equivalent snap-on, even in slightly beat up condition, would have cost me three times as much. :lol_hitti

I also recently paid $75 for three 1/4" drive Wright ratchets (which was an above average deal for honesty's sake), the used SO equivalent would have easily been twice that.
 
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There is no disputing that those craftsman sets offer alot of bang for the buck, and if you watch eBay enough (I do) you can find deals on any brand of tool. When you find them on sale they are actually cheaper than Hf (per piece). If a person was interested in building a wright collection and didn't have to have everything right now, they can be bought much cheaper than snap on, even on a good day. I have scored some unbelievable new wright deals on eBay, I'm talking about 20% of new price. Only problem is that snap on auctions outnumber wright auctions probably 100 to 1.
 

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There is no disputing that those craftsman sets offer alot of bang for the buck, and if you watch eBay enough (I do) you can find deals on any brand of tool. When you find them on sale they are actually cheaper than Hf (per piece). If a person was interested in building a wright collection and didn't have to have everything right now, they can be bought much cheaper than snap on, even on a good day. I have scored some unbelievable new wright deals on eBay, I'm talking about 20% of new price. Only problem is that snap on auctions outnumber wright auctions probably 100 to 1.

Yeah, you definitely have to be patient with Wright stuff on the used market, but I suppose you don't need to told that. :)

If you can wait, some of the prices you can find are indeed superb... I've gotten a couple from you, and a couple from ebay as well.




I really like snap-on stuff, but what lead me to Wright was a desire for quality with some chance of not spending a fortune. The problem with snap-on is that it's so popular and desirable, that the only time you get amazing deals is when you happen to be the lucky guy that caught someone who was desperate to sell within a few minutes of listing.

I see it here all the time... someone will list a snap-on ratchet or socket set for $5-10 less than it usually goes for, and people start falling all over each other trying to buy it. Normally if a Snap-on item is being sold for more than 10% less than average used price, it lasts about 2 minutes here on the classifieds.



I actually had originally planned on going snap-on, but I got so pissed off trying to catch deals with a bunch of people hovering around like starved vultures, that I finally gave up and went with Wright, which is easy to get as long as you are patient... plus I have a few extra bucks in my pocket, and am supporting one of the last major family owned USA tool companies.
 

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I wonder if i can double up on the "Coupon codes" by creating 2 seperate orders over $150?

Sorry if already answered, but sure you can. That is how I got my struts. I just did it like a day apart. With my "DEALIO" code, think then I was about $10.00 for the free shipping, but I ordered a 16MM Gearwrench I did need, and got the amount up.
I was even able to pick the gear wrench up and have the strut shipped.

DEALIO Code still good =
$10 off orders of $30 or more - $20 off orders of $50 or more - $40 off orders of $100 or more!!
 
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Thanks for the info above.
This was a little disappointing.

I bet. When I ordered my 299 piece Cman socket set, a few came like that and I was also disappointed. Anyone IMO would be disappointed if they bought anything new and some looked like the above. It was easy enough to get new sockets sent out though and I got over it.

One thing that kinda chaps my *** is if you go to Wal-Mart or Home Depot and such and look at their "cheap" import socket sets, they blow the doors off some American tools such as Craftsman and (apparently) SK. No defects at all in their chrome, and it's bright and shiny. Kinda sad.
 

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I also think you're not representing the per socket cost accurately. Brand new Wright sockets average about $6-7, and Snap-on sockets average more than twice that cost. Once you get into deep sockets, the difference is substantial, with SO sockets getting into the $20-30 range each, while Wright is still hovering around $10.

Scott wants a 1/2" socket set, "upgrading" from Craftsman.

Wright's 1/2" shallow set 18 pc, goes for $183 on RoyalSupply.com, $10/socket, 12-32mm
Wright's 1/2" deep set 10 pc, goes for $130, $13/socket, 16-26mm

Averaging $11/socket @ regular full price

These are all 12 pt sockets

Craftsman 1/2" socket set, 66 pc, goes for $185 or so before sales, if 10% off around $170. 9-36mm shallow, 12 deep 13-27mm with a few skips, and the appropriate SAE sizes as well.

Averaging $2.80/socket.

Are Wright sockets 4x as good as Craftsman? I dunno, I just really have a hard time justifying all that cash for them.
 

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Im pretty thick skinned when it comes to hobbyist tools but I draw the line at chrome flaking off.
 

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Scott wants a 1/2" socket set, "upgrading" from Craftsman.
These are all 12 pt sockets

Damnit, if this isn't the only thing that turns me off of wright. I bet their stuff is fantastic. I'll be looking to scoop up their used stuff.

I can get them used and slowly, but if I have a 6pt fastener, i want a 6pt socket.

One thing that kinda chaps my *** is if you go to Wal-Mart or Home Depot and such and look at their "cheap" import socket sets, they blow the doors off some American tools such as Craftsman and (apparently) SK. No defects at all in their chrome, and it's bright and shiny. Kinda sad.

Its seriously frustrating, but its a long chain of "made in the USA" burns I have received. I'll do it again, but its harder to tell others to do it because of the stuff they'll have to deal with. I have specific examples.
 

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Seriously. craftsman is FINE. even if you use them every day. You can always upgrade the ratchets no problem. But if you have sockets and they work and take off bolts then why upgrade them?
 
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