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Jack, that is the best thing on your thread...he is one handsome little guy...I liked how he kept changing the specs on you.

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I know! He kept changing the specs until after the third balloon setup finally came back down. When he finally used the 1000' number, I knew he was on board with the project -- and I knew I had a good last shot for the little movie.
 

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Jack, Great video! It is usually way too windy here (South Coast of the UK) for a Balloon flight but I might try a camera on a Kite from the local South Downs hills and see how it goes.

Thanks for sharing your Garage and interests.

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Hi Jack.

What material have you used on the inside of the garage door? It looks a bit different than the standard insulation and with the painted supports really looks great.

Thanks.
 
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Jack, I found something else that reminded me of your organizational style. Thought you'd like this:
That's pretty amazing. I would never have the precision or the patience for that kind of work. But I like the idea.

Jack, Great video! It is usually way too windy here (South Coast of the UK) for a Balloon flight but I might try a camera on a Kite from the local South Downs hills and see how it goes.

Thanks for sharing your Garage and interests.

Neil

If you get some footage, post it here. I'm sure my son would get a kick out of it.

Hi Jack.

What material have you used on the inside of the garage door? It looks a bit different than the standard insulation and with the painted supports really looks great.

Thanks.
It's standard insulation, from a Lowe's warehouse. I put the printed side in, and then painted the unprinted side before I mounted it to the door.

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That might be overkill, but now he's allowed to play up there, but not sleep overnight for another 18 months or so. Surprisingly, he's cooperated.

That's excellent news. Because it wasn't the string that had me worried for the boy. It was the building with the 6 grinders, a drill press, a welder, a circular saw that can cut metal, a band saw, etc etc etc, that has me worried for little kids. But that's only for the next, oh, 17 years or so, that you have to worry about him getting an eyeout or a fingeroff or burning the garage, wait, lot, wait, this is SoCal, entire neighborhood to the ground.

So for the time being, I'm glad you have a boy that listens. Of course, you built that, too. (For now. In ten years...)
 
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I enjoyed the video and thought of the contrast of your life to mine. If you ran that camera a 1000' above my place you might see 6-10 houses and 3 of those would be mine. I cannot fathom living in such a densely populated area. One of my cousins married a musician from Chicago. She brought him out here and the quiet drove him nuts, and the concept of going to bed and getting up with the sun was totally foreign to him. Glad your teaching your children though. It is a hard thing to do in this day and age.

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Jack, the video of the balloon camera was cool, especially since it involved your son. Just think, this may be his introduction to 'space travel'; who knows, he may be on a future Mars mission.

When he is just a bit older, I can imagine you two constructing the 'Blimp-O-Cam' and flying it all over L.A. lol Before long, Max will be 'piloting' a videocam over your race track, getting Dad and his car racing the circuit!
 

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Great video Jack. I can't believe how big Molly has grown. And Max should be driving in a couple years... Enjoy them while they are young.

Thanks for sharing a part of your family with us! :thumbup:
 

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But for now, this 1951 phone works just fine. It's amazing to see something built this well.

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Hi Jack,
Love your garage! I followed this thread for a long time but haven't visited it recently. Looks like you've been keeping busy!

I meant to comment to your phone a while back (or maybe I did and don't remember! ;-). I've got a 554 (ca. 1958) hanging in my garage, but I'm thinking a 354 would look better. May have to score one.

If you ever find yourself with nothing else to do (yeah, right!), there's a way you can tighten up the coils on that handset cord:
http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=202.0

Thanks for all the inspiration!
 

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Phew! That was an epic read! Well done sir!

I saw the part where you discussed the lighting and the motion detectors but you didn't mention why you went with compact florecent instead of regular tube florecents (sp?). Most big shops (and my little one) run these so I figured they must be on to something.

You've inspired me to re-organise my little shop. At first glance you appeared to be OCD clean but happily you also included pics of a messy garage with work in progress. It finally dawned on me to start and finish a job instead of having three of four "work in progress" activities going on. So much more bench space now with everything stashed neatly away until I actually work on it! :lol:

Nice car too, I've got a 3.0CSi from 1972. A great year!
 

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Great video Jack and Max. What kind of a camera did you use? and where can I get one? Some day Id like to visit California I have a cousin that is a Writer/ Producer in LA. Thanks for sharing your Garage and adventures.
 

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After a week of reading this thread (thing called "work" gets in the way of fun), I finally got to the end.

Question: Jack, you never mentioned anything about cleaning up. Do you just use a bench brush and a Shop Vac or do you have a dust collector? Where do you keep the Shop Vac?

Beautiful garage!!
 
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Lista Cabinets come to the 12-Gauge Garage -- and I've got questions

I'd like to say that Lista Corporate saw a great marketing opportunity and sent a truck with some nice green cabinets for me to choose from. But of course, that's not ever going to happen.

Instead, I bid on a couple of old and abused cabinets (and in my opinion paid double what I should have), but decided I wanted them even if they were overpriced. I think Lista (as opposed to Equipto, Vidmar, Rousseau, or Nu-Era) carries a name-recognition premium now, kind of like Wilton in the vise world.

Here's what I had. It's not just a 'perfectly fine' setup, it's a damned nice one. The desk is made with Equipto cabinets and the tool boxes are good ol' Craftsman.

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I think the proportion between the desk and the tool stack look pretty great (not that I think about that sort of thing too much). But the problem for me has been the depth (and capacity) of the Craftsman stack. Since I don't roll it anywhere, the shallow drawers don't offer any real tool-holding benefit. I've got room there in that corner for more storage -- and it's been eating away at me. I don't like wasting space. And I've got too many tools for the stack.

The idea is to replace the tool boxes with a single cabinet with a bunch of nice, deep drawers.

So, cut to the ebay auction and the impulsive bid. I ended up paying just over $500 for two very beat-up Lista cabinets. I mention the price because it irritates me. I wish I had gotten them for less. If I'd been more patient, I'm sure I could have.

Also irritating is the fact that I didn't really plan for these kinds of cabinets in this space when I built the work bench. The upshot was that there wasn't enough room for a 29"-wide cabinet next to the bench, so the bench top had to be shortened by 2" to make room for the new stack.

First, everything had to come apart:

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Then the cuts:

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I should have cut it upside down. I know that. But I'd already done the line on the top -- and the edge cleaned up all right. And I hit it with some of the same stain.

I don't think losing the 2" will kill me. But now the pegboard and shelf up above the bench will be just slightly off center. For me, that will just have to be one of those 'relax, it's a garage' things. I had to re-radius the outside corners:

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Bosch jig saws are the best.

So, having bid yesterday, I went out and picked them up today. Here's the old Jeep with over 800 pounds of cargo stuffed in the back:

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The heavier of the two has 11 drawers, arranged kind of crazily, with a bad repaint and a swapped in drawer that leaves an inch of gap for no good reason.

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The other one has a punched out lock and the same bad paint. I'm not sure why someone attached the one handle crooked like that.

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They need a good cleaning, but there's a lot of configuration options with them.

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And it's nice to have a drawer this big with complete access and a ridiculous weight capacity. The dollar is to show scale.

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They're green. Which would be great if I planned on keeping them green. But my instinct is to paint them red with black drawers, just like I did with the Equipto cabinet I cut up for the work bench. I've considered painting them green with black drawer faces, but I'm leaning against it.

It would be nice to have a green cabinet chip green. But they're a different shade of green from the rest of my cabinets.

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My plan is to take the two units and combine them into a single stack with 14 drawers and a space at the 36"-37" mark to prevent a drawer from hitting the edge of my metal-topped bench when they extend out. The drawers will be arranged as:

2”
2”
2”
2”
2”
3”
3”
4”
4”
Gap Frame 1-1/2"
4”
4”
6”
6”
12”

If there's enough room, I'm going to also put one of the 2" drawers under the bench top where I sit.

Here are my questions for any Lista experts out there.

First, are they actually Lista cabinets? No tags are left on them. Second, are they BOTH Listas? They're the same depth and width. But there are construction differences which are going to keep me from mixing and matching the two into a single stack without any regard for what goes where. The heavier (480 lbs) one has this kind of interior:

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The lighter one (350 pounds) has a different setup:

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Is this an age difference thing? Or a model difference? Any information would be appreciated.
 

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Re: Lista Cabinets come to the 12-Gauge Garage -- and I've got questions

Jack,
Congrats on the new to you cabinets.
They do not look like Lista cabinets. I know lista had some locks in the middle and on the left side but the drawer fronts do not resemble older and new Lista cabinets. I was going to say the one with the middle lock hole was Vidmar but it may be an older one.
I think with your craftsmanship the design you come up with will work and look great. I like your color scheme since it is a different and distinctive combo.
Three reasons I went with Lista were:
1- Availability. You can get them easier than any of the others listed as well as parts.
2- Durability. 400 to 440 lbs per drawer. This seems to be an industry standard for these type of cabinets and dealing with Craftsman (not that they are not bad, but you get what you pay for) I will never go back.
3- Full capacity. This should have come first. I like the ability to put all of one type of tool in one drawer. The standard craftsman style boxes are only about 18" deep. Not much room for wrenches when you get all of them you need.
I picked up a Vidmar 59" tall 28" wide and deep box about 4 months ago for 250. It was in great shape but does not have a lock set. I removed all the hardware and cleaned everything up and lubed the bearings. Drawers work great and it is now just about 3/4 full.
I would secure the cabinets to the wall. I did this with my Lista cabinets for my bench. They have a safety feature that only allows for one drawer to be opened at one time but can be forced. But one drawer could tip the cabinets if it did have 400 lbs in it. I used the 7/8" Unistrut half slot and drilled some holes to allow for screws. I ran it across the top and about 6" from the bottom so it was fastened to the wall good.
 

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Re: Lista Cabinets come to the 12-Gauge Garage -- and I've got questions

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Great finds on the cabs, they'll look good in the 12 gauge! I'm currently holding out hope of finding a decent shape KR series box for my shop but after months of looking I don't think I'll ever find one in even just decent shape for a reasonable price.
 
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Re: Lista Cabinets come to the 12-Gauge Garage -- and I've got questions

Sorry for the long reply, but looking at the drawer dividers and the bottom holes I have to go with Vidmar. Lista dividers (at least on the newer ones) are stamps and bent over to differently then those.
Also, keep an eye out for these cabinets on Govliquidation.com Type in a search for lista or vidmar.
 

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Re: Lista Cabinets come to the 12-Gauge Garage -- and I've got questions

Lista brand?
 
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Re: Lista Cabinets come to the 12-Gauge Garage -- and I've got questions

I have a Lyon brand cabinet that looks very similar. The drawer pulls look the same, the lock location is the same. They are compartmentalized the same way but the internal structure looks slightly different. Not sure if that helps :) but maybe look at some pics of Lyon cabinets?
 

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I got four cabinets like that when they closed the plant down to outsource. I outsourced them to my garage and painted them to match the Craftsman overhead cabinets I had. They were the same green as yours. I am sure you will do a bang up job.
 

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Re: Lista Cabinets come to the 12-Gauge Garage -- and I've got questions

Jack,

I think that these are really old Lista cabinets but there are a bunch of other possibilities. I was not working with Lista at the time these were manufactured so I sent your pics over to some of the old time experts at Lista for their critique. I'll find out for sure and let you know.

Joe
 

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Re: Lista Cabinets come to the 12-Gauge Garage -- and I've got questions

Then the cuts:

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I should have cut it upside down. I know that. But I'd already done the line on the top -- and the edge cleaned up all right. And I hit it with some of the same stain.

However you do it Jack, it's going to come out nice. Personally I'd try to test up some green with black drawers. Maybe grab a can of black primer and hit a couple of drawer fronts to get an idea of what it looks like.

I'm guessing you cut that top from left to right. The next time you make a cut like that, you cut from right to left and keep the shoe (of the circular saw, that's the flat plate on the bottom) on the side of the work that you're keeping. This gives a greater area for the saw to ride on. It should also help keep the edge of the work square (90°) to the work surface.
 

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Re: Lista Cabinets come to the 12-Gauge Garage -- and I've got questions

Jack,

I just got off the phone with one of their old time sales/tech support persons and this is what he said.

The cabinets look to be about 45 years old. The earliest Lista's had a side lock. And this is the tell all .... If the drawer is a 24" x 24" on the inside then it is a Lista since they are the only ones who made that size. If it is a 25" x 25" then it is NOT a Lista.

What are the inside measurements of your drawers?

Joe
 

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Re: Lista Cabinets come to the 12-Gauge Garage -- and I've got questions

... I'd like to say that Lista Corporate saw a great marketing opportunity and sent a truck with some nice green cabinets for me to choose from. But of course, that's not ever going to happen.
...

The appeal of the 12-Gauge Garage is how good everything looks, and how well it works... by just using stuff that any Regular Joe (or Jack) would have access to.

I'd be happy for you if you got some sort of corporate sponsorship, but then your shop would just be another shop with new shiny cabinets, and not the 12-Gauge Garage.

So when you do get a corporate sponsor, the best thing is to "keep it real" and send all their stuff my way!

:thumbup:
 

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Jack, It seems we all have garage projects that are never finished. This just proves that. You are the only person who would tear down perfection and actually improve on it. Can't wait to see the results. Rick
 

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Re: Lista Cabinets come to the 12-Gauge Garage -- and I've got questions

Jack,

The drawer details look like the details in my Vidmar cabinets and the pulls have the same profile. The differences are the center lock opening and, the pulls are wider on your cabinets. Vidmar and most others modular cabinets except Lista are 30" wide and 28 1/2 deep.

Steve
 

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Re: Lista Cabinets come to the 12-Gauge Garage -- and I've got questions

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The other one has a punched out lock and the same bad paint. I'm not sure why someone attached the one handle crooked like that.

on the older Lista cabs, the drawers can be locked internally and externally with a steel rod and padlock.

when our pit cabinets are on the transporter going cross the Continent, we would prefer to use the later method because it's stronger(we load them up heavy, for real) and more importantly, if the locking mechanism ever gets messed up, a cut-off wheel will take care of it in 10 seconds, so we don't get stuck by the race track with all the parts and tools locked up.

if you don't worry of theft, then you don't even need the padlock, 1 rod going through all the drawer pulls can prevent any drawer to open, because by design, only 1 drawer can be opened at a time.

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Re: Lista Cabinets come to the 12-Gauge Garage -- and I've got questions

Jack, I'd go with the green and black, and paint the desk/bench bases to match. Why make a great box like that look like any ordinary Craftsman?
 

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Re: Lista Cabinets come to the 12-Gauge Garage -- and I've got questions

Not sure if they are or are not Listas... I work in a shop with about 50 of those cabinets and I just took a walk and none of them have a Tag or Plate on them. Same green and same lock position. I can tell you that they are not stor-locs. They are great cabinets. We use them in an industrial setting and have no issues with them.
 
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Re: Lista Cabinets come to the 12-Gauge Garage -- and I've got questions

Thanks, guys. Based on Motorhead Extraordinaire's post, I went to measure the inside dimensions, and also found one sticker that -- I think -- suggests that this is a 25-year-old Lista.

Here's the measurement.

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Now, it's entirely possible that this is a drawer from a 1985 cabinet that was put into an earlier cabinet box (maybe even as old as Motorhead Extraordinaire's source suggests). The previous owner appears to have been a machine shop that at least did business with the local aircraft/aerospace industry (based on a Northrop receipt I found). There were several cabinets of the same color that went up for sale, and at least one of my drawers was definitely swapped from a different era's cabinet.

Hre's a look at the decal with the contrast turned up on what looks like maybe an 'inspected by' decal. You can definitely see a T and an A there, which would be on center if you added the L, I and S. So the 24" measurement and the partial name both point to Lista. But again: if they aren't, then I can call and try to negotiate the price down -- so let me know if they aren't.

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If these were built in 1985, then they're 27 years old. Hard to get my head around 1985 being 27 years ago. But then, I'm old. :)

I'm going to guess that the lighter-weight model is newer, although it has the same pulls and the same dimensions. It's interesting to see how much stronger the 1985 model is, with an extra vertical piece which would keep the guide rails from flexing.

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The newer (based on my guess -- it could just be a different model) cabinet has reduced the amount of material used. It also has fewer anchoring points.

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It's a good thing these things don't have value because of their 'classic' status, since I'm going to chop these two up today and make one non-standard, non-stock, 63"-tall cabinet out of them.

On the color choice, I did a quick Photoshop of the old box in green to give some idea of what a green/black option would look like there.

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I look at it and think, 'too green.' What do you guys think?

And Finally, does anyone know of a source for the plastic end caps for these handles? Or the clear and paper inserts for labeling them?
 
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Well, it does seem like you bought a couple of old Listas, so you shouldn't feel like you bid too much. It doesn't really matter, does it? After all, they are soon to be transformed, torch-tailored, and given an entirely new look; they'll then become a single cabinet tagged with a new moniker - 'A GENUINE OLSENITE'. :thumbup:
 

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Re: Lista Cabinets come to the 12-Gauge Garage -- and I've got questions

Too green. I like the pop of the red, and it riffs nicely off the red of the fire extinguisher. Love the green overall, but for the cabinet(s) I'd vote for red.
 

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Re: Lista Cabinets come to the 12-Gauge Garage -- and I've got questions

I think that you have one Lista and one Vidmar. the Vidmar is the one with the centered lock hole. We had Listas and Vidmars all lined up along the wall in the shop but for some reason they were always referred to as Lista cabinets. You got a good deal, those cabinets usually go for $1,500.00 and up new.
 

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Re: Lista Cabinets come to the 12-Gauge Garage -- and I've got questions

Too green. I like the pop of the red, and it riffs nicely off the red of the fire extinguisher. Love the green overall, but for the cabinet(s) I'd vote for red.

I agree.
 

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Re: Lista Cabinets come to the 12-Gauge Garage -- and I've got questions

I haven't looked at your shop for a while Jack. Whatever happened to the HF 44" box that you had in that space?
Love the new cabs! $500 might a bit steep but I'm sure you'll get your moneys worth out of them. Congrats on the score!

Steve
 
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