The VISES of Garage Journal
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Catalyze
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Alx - a very lovely bit of kit that you have in your shop! Well thought out and executed too.
87Pomona - that is a late model Reed with the logo like that but no clue as to the extra letter added on the pad.....perfect size for the shop
WillM - this is going to sound obvious but your Parker is.........old. LOL I have looked and I can't find your number in my catalogs. Parker did make a stationary model called a 79 1/2X back in the early 20's with 7" jaws and a 293 pound weight. Yours is older than that but it must have come from that same lineage. Not to fret.....there are folks here with catalogs that might have it
Bigcaddy - go find a nice easy to figure out vise .......like a Parker 974. Sheesh....you guys are killing me with vises that are older than my socks.
Craig
87Pomona - that is a late model Reed with the logo like that but no clue as to the extra letter added on the pad.....perfect size for the shop
WillM - this is going to sound obvious but your Parker is.........old. LOL I have looked and I can't find your number in my catalogs. Parker did make a stationary model called a 79 1/2X back in the early 20's with 7" jaws and a 293 pound weight. Yours is older than that but it must have come from that same lineage. Not to fret.....there are folks here with catalogs that might have it
Bigcaddy - go find a nice easy to figure out vise .......like a Parker 974. Sheesh....you guys are killing me with vises that are older than my socks.
Craig
flashman
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Any info on this vise? I wouldn't pay that for a vise but it isn't one I have seen I. this thread.
http://wichita.craigslist.org/tls/3455731784.html
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WillM
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Cool, thanks for the info. Hopefully someone has a catalog or some information that has my vise in it, would be very cool to see
KesterHouse
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Hi ho,
I know many of you have probably seen this vise already at that *cough* popular internet auction site... the guy's selling it for $29.95 but doesn't have a shipment option. It's in Conn., so even for me to drive down there from Mass. would likely cost more in fuel than if he shipped it up to me. Before I start trying to negotiate a delivery option, I'm curious if this thing is an old Parker or not.
It's got the little ogee at the back of the static jaw, and looks like the right dingus at the front that holds the handle in place (although I've never seen one with a top screw rather than a front screw). He states in the description that there are no makers marks on it, so I'd like to hear the expert opinions about this thing from folks here before I pursue it further.
Here's one of the photos from the listing. There are more available if you look at the listing online as well...
Thanks for any insight or advice on this you might have,
-JeffK
I know many of you have probably seen this vise already at that *cough* popular internet auction site... the guy's selling it for $29.95 but doesn't have a shipment option. It's in Conn., so even for me to drive down there from Mass. would likely cost more in fuel than if he shipped it up to me. Before I start trying to negotiate a delivery option, I'm curious if this thing is an old Parker or not.
It's got the little ogee at the back of the static jaw, and looks like the right dingus at the front that holds the handle in place (although I've never seen one with a top screw rather than a front screw). He states in the description that there are no makers marks on it, so I'd like to hear the expert opinions about this thing from folks here before I pursue it further.
Here's one of the photos from the listing. There are more available if you look at the listing online as well...
Thanks for any insight or advice on this you might have,
-JeffK
Thanks guys
@ Mark.
The vice is original Leinen vice manufactured in Germany by Leinen, which is now part of Italian company FZA Morsificio (www.fza-morsificio.com). I'm not sure about the age but I suspect it is not very old. It is quite rare to come across Leinen in the UK - let alone pair of them - which certainly adds to the value.
Low Friction
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These guys will sell/ship Leinen vise's to pretty much anywhere.
http://www.gifotec.it/6752/
I bought a forged steel FZA Eterna 100mm vise (Morsa) from these guys. See post #3902.
http://www.gifotec.it/6752/
I bought a forged steel FZA Eterna 100mm vise (Morsa) from these guys. See post #3902.
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bl00
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It looks like a Howard Iron Works vise.
Outlawmws
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maddawg308
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What is the # on the vise? I have a 406 that is a swivel jaw, swivel base with 6" jaw. Lines are very similar to yours, which is the only reason I ask. Must be the rust, but it really almost looks to have that overlap in the back from a swivel jaw. Really curious on the number from the tag.
I had to double check: it turns out that it IS indeed a swivel jaw vise. I can't make out the number, it's pretty rusted up in that area, will need help from a disc grinder with a wire brush attachment, but suffice to say it is a rarity.
KesterHouse
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Hi ho,
@Outlaw - That woodworker's unit looks to be very complete (the little lift knob for the bench dog thingy isn't gone) - nice grab!
@bl00 - I did a little more diggin' since posting that image, and I'm starting to think that might be a very old Parker 40 Coachmaker's Vise. From the few catalog pages I got a look at, the 40 looks like it has a top-down screw for the handle retainer, and the catalog images didn't have any name info on the sides.
Also, did Howard Iron Works do that fancy little ogee thing on the back end of the casting? I was under the impression that was a Parker signature.
@maddawg308 - I bet a week or so in an electrolysis tank would free that thing up with no effort at all. Might hafta do it twice - once to get the dynamic jaw and screw out, then again for the swivel... electrolysis works on "line-of-sight" from anode to cathode, so it may need to be turned and flipped a little to get it all clean, but it still should work.
That is all,
-JeffK.
@Outlaw - That woodworker's unit looks to be very complete (the little lift knob for the bench dog thingy isn't gone) - nice grab!
@bl00 - I did a little more diggin' since posting that image, and I'm starting to think that might be a very old Parker 40 Coachmaker's Vise. From the few catalog pages I got a look at, the 40 looks like it has a top-down screw for the handle retainer, and the catalog images didn't have any name info on the sides.
Also, did Howard Iron Works do that fancy little ogee thing on the back end of the casting? I was under the impression that was a Parker signature.
@maddawg308 - I bet a week or so in an electrolysis tank would free that thing up with no effort at all. Might hafta do it twice - once to get the dynamic jaw and screw out, then again for the swivel... electrolysis works on "line-of-sight" from anode to cathode, so it may need to be turned and flipped a little to get it all clean, but it still should work.
That is all,
-JeffK.
gatewaysysop
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Hello again, it's been a while since I posted in this thread. Anyway, I figured it was time I did something with my Canedy-Otto and Wilton vises, so today I disassembled the Wilton in preparation for a cleaning/blasting/painting refurbishing, and I measured the broken shaft in the Canedy-Otto.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1913071&postcount=3270
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1914850&postcount=3275
The Canedy-Otto has a 1/2 - 5 thread pitch ACME threaded shaft, which I can't find anywhere. Anyone know where to find such a sized rod?
Can anyone make one for me? I could certainly cut off the shaft and sent it to confirm the thread pitch.
The Wilton came apart easily, but I have a question regarding the spindle, It has been welded at one point, and I am not sure if it is "factory" or it broke and was repaired. It is clearly evident by the heat marks on the metal that it was welded, and the machined welds are visible. There is also what appears to be a straight line where the weld is. My thought is that this is where the rod was originally joined to the end casting piece. I have no way of confirming this. Does anyone else have a spindle they could look at and see if it's the same? I have used this vise for some pretty heavy duty clamping, so I know the weld is strong, be it a factory weld or not. See pics below.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1780302&postcount=2967
Thanks, and I'll post more pics as these progress.
Jon
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1913071&postcount=3270
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1914850&postcount=3275
The Canedy-Otto has a 1/2 - 5 thread pitch ACME threaded shaft, which I can't find anywhere. Anyone know where to find such a sized rod?
Can anyone make one for me? I could certainly cut off the shaft and sent it to confirm the thread pitch.
The Wilton came apart easily, but I have a question regarding the spindle, It has been welded at one point, and I am not sure if it is "factory" or it broke and was repaired. It is clearly evident by the heat marks on the metal that it was welded, and the machined welds are visible. There is also what appears to be a straight line where the weld is. My thought is that this is where the rod was originally joined to the end casting piece. I have no way of confirming this. Does anyone else have a spindle they could look at and see if it's the same? I have used this vise for some pretty heavy duty clamping, so I know the weld is strong, be it a factory weld or not. See pics below.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1780302&postcount=2967
Thanks, and I'll post more pics as these progress.
Jon
Catalyze
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Jon - I don't think that Wilton would weld on a lead screw...they would just scrap it and reach in the parts bin for a new one. As to Acme threaded rod...I think McMaster Carr sells Acme rod if you know the pitch.
flashman - at first I was guessing a rebadged Rock Island 542BX combo vise but the jaw tower shape is a bit different....no clue on that big beast....
Craig
flashman - at first I was guessing a rebadged Rock Island 542BX combo vise but the jaw tower shape is a bit different....no clue on that big beast....
Craig
bigcaddy
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Here Craig,
just as you requested. A much newer and nicer, but smaller Chas Parker that i picked up today for 8.00 at a sale. It has some grime on it but in otherwise great conditon. I noticed that the jaw insert profile is different then the older Parkers. Do you know when the profile changed?
It has 3" jaws and is in the 20 pound range. I might have to keep this little guy just for the looks of it.
just as you requested. A much newer and nicer, but smaller Chas Parker that i picked up today for 8.00 at a sale. It has some grime on it but in otherwise great conditon. I noticed that the jaw insert profile is different then the older Parkers. Do you know when the profile changed?
It has 3" jaws and is in the 20 pound range. I might have to keep this little guy just for the looks of it.
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Swingit
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Very nice!! Are you gonna clean her up??
bigcaddy
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Oh yes, its gonna get done up better then a fat lady on television makeover show. I think i already have the machine grey paint and the rest is just time on the wire wheel/buffer
Swingit
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Machine gray would be a great color on that vise. Good choice!!
Catalyze
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bigcaddy (or as I refer to you:ViseThief) - I think what you stole...I mean bought is one of the later Parkers just before they got Union badged. They changed the profile of the jaw faces on that last models. Do not ask me why after 5 decades of jaw profile, they would change such a detail. Autopts sent me a 4" jaw face to put on my 974 that I bought with one jaw face last year. Turns out that it was just like your profile and it is from a Union company made Parker and wouldn't fit.
Craig
ps- thanks for buying a vise that I knew something about
Craig
ps- thanks for buying a vise that I knew something about
Here Craig,
just as you requested. A much newer and nicer, but smaller Chas Parker that i picked up today for 8.00 at a sale. It has some grime on it but in otherwise great conditon. I noticed that the jaw insert profile is different then the older Parkers. Do you know when the profile changed?
It has 3" jaws and is in the 20 pound range. I might have to keep this little guy just for the looks of it.
Good score
, I wonder how these people come up with the prices though, I just bought a vintage 3" Craftsman for $8 the other day
bigcaddy
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Thanks for the info on the vise. I think its important to make senior citizens feel like they are still relevant and contributing to society in some way. Physically they are useless but that old puddle of mush up top still has plenty of information to share.
bigcaddy
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Good score
I really cant make anything of it either. They usually seem to hover around 25-75 around here but i've scored many for under 10.00
I had to laugh when i was buying it because the vise was 8.00 but the terrible Red Skelton/John Wayne Gacy-like clown painting i had was 35.00. I wanted it for a gag gift but passed on it for that price. Go figure
Hello again, it's been a while since I posted in this thread. Anyway, I figured it was time I did something with my Canedy-Otto and Wilton vises, so today I disassembled the Wilton in preparation for a cleaning/blasting/painting refurbishing, and I measured the broken shaft in the Canedy-Otto.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1913071&postcount=3270
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1914850&postcount=3275
The Canedy-Otto has a 1/2 - 5 thread pitch ACME threaded shaft, which I can't find anywhere. Anyone know where to find such a sized rod?
Can anyone make one for me? I could certainly cut off the shaft and sent it to confirm the thread pitch.
The Wilton came apart easily, but I have a question regarding the spindle, It has been welded at one point, and I am not sure if it is "factory" or it broke and was repaired. It is clearly evident by the heat marks on the metal that it was welded, and the machined welds are visible. There is also what appears to be a straight line where the weld is. My thought is that this is where the rod was originally joined to the end casting piece. I have no way of confirming this. Does anyone else have a spindle they could look at and see if it's the same? I have used this vise for some pretty heavy duty clamping, so I know the weld is strong, be it a factory weld or not. See pics below.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1780302&postcount=2967
Thanks, and I'll post more pics as these progress.
Jon
Hi Jon
That's a factory weld and even in the condition its and I have seen a few, never have I sold a bullet and have the handle break down the road.
KesterHouse
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Hi ho,
@Gapfast - You lucky dog! (I'm a newbie so I can't say you **** for at least 10 posts, or somethin' like that)
I was just looking at one of those online for many hundreds, that still has the handle and even the pin and chain to hold it. VERY cool!
-JeffK.
@Gapfast - You lucky dog! (I'm a newbie so I can't say you **** for at least 10 posts, or somethin' like that)
I was just looking at one of those online for many hundreds, that still has the handle and even the pin and chain to hold it. VERY cool!
-JeffK.
CecilTheTurtle
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bigcaddy
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None needed. They look better that way
Hi ho,
@Gapfast - You lucky dog! (I'm a newbie so I can't say you **** for at least 10 posts, or somethin' like that)
I was just looking at one of those online for many hundreds, that still has the handle and even the pin and chain to hold it. VERY cool!
-JeffK.
Thank you. I'm pretty excited about it. It was awsome to find out what it was. I enjoy lookin at it
Outlawmws
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I am so tired of Machine Tool Grey... (I painted ALL my shop tools and vises grey for the past 30 years... I'm done with it...)
Semi gloss black for an original look...
Outlawmws
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Hers an update of my Parker 273 I picked up a while back. Cleaned off all the old paint and rust with a dip in the ol' electrolysis bath. Keeping it naked for now, but may paint it later.
Here it is already for work out in the garage.
So I have to ask: was the U bolt for a repair, or just reinforcement?
87Pomona
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Hollands 52 1/2 I picked up a few hours ago
Next to my Reed 104
Next to my Reed 104
Outlawmws
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I like that little Hollands Pomona; I know we frown on using vise as an anvil, but it having the horn on the back like that is cool and for soft stuff would be useful.
TireTracks
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My DIY woodworking vice and my "Wil-Burt versa-vise".
My DIY woodworking vice and my "Wil-Burt versa-vise".
87Pomona
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Some before and after pictures of my restored Reed 103-g, finished this afternoon.
I'm really liking the Valspar Cobalt Cannon Blue color
I'm really liking the Valspar Cobalt Cannon Blue color
CecilTheTurtle
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Seems it was just for reinforcement. Nothing broken in the vise, and the swivel jaw works fine. I just put it back on so I don't lose it.
^^^^. And I have to ask, where did you get that giant toilet plunger to mount that vise on...?
LOL never saw it that way, but now that you say it it sure does look like one doesn't it? Might need a repaint.
timbitca
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Well, might as well add my 2 cents (or 2 vises') in here.
First up, Record No. 4 made in England
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Then this blacksmith's post vise that I don't haven't got any info on, besides the fact that I know my Grandfather's brother bought it from an old blacksmith's forge in a neighboring village sometime in the late 60's - early 70's and gave it to my Grandfather since he didn't have a place to use it yet. It's been well used in it's previous life, and the concrete it was anchored in has gone bad so it's not all that solid but it has a silky smooth operation and is still in great shape.
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First up, Record No. 4 made in England
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Then this blacksmith's post vise that I don't haven't got any info on, besides the fact that I know my Grandfather's brother bought it from an old blacksmith's forge in a neighboring village sometime in the late 60's - early 70's and gave it to my Grandfather since he didn't have a place to use it yet. It's been well used in it's previous life, and the concrete it was anchored in has gone bad so it's not all that solid but it has a silky smooth operation and is still in great shape.
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Rickenbackerman
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Here's my haul from Sunday, this brings my vise total up to 7...
6" Columbian:
Parker 974 and 805:
The PO cleaned up the 805 and painted it, but it still needed some work. I'm almost sure it had a replacement dynamic jaw on it, it stuck up about 1/8" higher than the static one. An hour or so with the angle grinder made everybody line up nice and tight.
I liked the 805 so much I had to pull the old switcheroo with my 5" Wilton bullet... Mostly done here:
There's about half a turn of slop in the handle, though. The washer is there but it's almost like it's not thick enough? I got some machine bushings from Ace and if I add one of them, then it's too thick. Any ideas? I think I need a washer that's about 0.1" thick.
6" Columbian:
Parker 974 and 805:
The PO cleaned up the 805 and painted it, but it still needed some work. I'm almost sure it had a replacement dynamic jaw on it, it stuck up about 1/8" higher than the static one. An hour or so with the angle grinder made everybody line up nice and tight.
I liked the 805 so much I had to pull the old switcheroo with my 5" Wilton bullet... Mostly done here:
There's about half a turn of slop in the handle, though. The washer is there but it's almost like it's not thick enough? I got some machine bushings from Ace and if I add one of them, then it's too thick. Any ideas? I think I need a washer that's about 0.1" thick.