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As a new member of the garage forum (I have spent to many hours on tractor forums over the last few years) I bumbled into this thread over the weekend and am currently in the page 61 part of this 318 pg thread and have to say (like so many others)
WOW O WOW
Fantastic, Tom and Chris.
Now any bets on how long to cover the rest? I Love the old blacksmith things found (my great uncle ran a blacksmith shop into the late 60s) brings back great memories thank you for documenting it all fantastic

I hate to post almost consecutive posts on such a great thread but I have overstayed my daily limit I sat down 2 hours ago for a short break and find myself at page 72! I have to limit myself to 10 pages or I will not get anything done. Out to the shop myself I have to find a loose connection inside my plasma cutter so I can do a little fabricating of my own.

OK, I'm back home for a good while so I'll do my best to get caught up here.

There you go trying to make me feel guilty gordyy! I did have two requests from some service suppliers that were doing some work for me. I sent them a link to this thread for their perusal and I got much the same reaction from both. "Please take down your shop restoration thread or else nothing will get done in our shop. We are all hooked!" Now that did start to make me feel just a little guilty. :eek: Have fun with the read and good luck running down your loose connections. On occasion, Chris tells me I have several myself.

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There is a slight problem with starting out late on this thread. It is so darned interesting that it is very hard to limit yourself to just 10 pages. It took me over a year to get here on this "real time" posting. I have finally made it. Thanks Tom and Chris. Keep going. I won't get behind, I hope.

Ron

Hey way to go Ron for sticking with it! I have every intention to finish what I started here for better or worse. Please check back from time to time, you just never know what will pop up. :dunno:

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Tom, the McKee and the Lola T-70 are in a container heading for Australia. Couldn't get Lou to go though! We're taking apps for umbrella GIRLS when we get there.......but Dan is bringing his own.


Thanks Roland for the update. Safe journey and safe racing to all! :thumbup: Tell Norm I completely understand, as long as those umbrella girls down there can rotate his tires and bleed his brakes...............on the car I mean. :D

Keep us posted my friend. Shinny side up, rubber side down.

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Hello Thomas, I have been totally captivated by your incredible garage since the article in Car Craft several years ago. Luckily I have been reading your posts long enough that I do not have to literally spend days playing catch up. Your work has inspired me to get my garage and shop in order.2013 is the year that I will finish my projects. I, like so many others ,am in awe at your craftsmanship, attention to detail , and tireless work ethic. Your sense of history is admirable . You truely understand that we are all temporary care takers of our tools,cars, and other great toys! Mr. Johnson would be so proud and pleased. I have learned so much from reading and viewing your incredible pictures of your latest project. I am sending my post from HongKong ,and am flying with your friend and crash pad owner ,Brian. He is hoping that you will do a make over on the condo! It's probably a good thing that we don't fly together ,as I would talk your ear off with endless questions! Best of luck when you retire.I look forward to further posts from you and Chris. Again thanks. Ken.
 

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I know I said I would probably not post anything else until I got to the end but I just turned to page 300 and got so excited I must have accidentally hit post reply. Then, well, I couldn't waste a perfectly good blinking cursor.:D look out crew! I'm comin around the horns!:3gears:
 

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Thomas, LMAO is the abbreviation for "Laughed My A$$ Off".

Yeah, I had to figure that one out, too. At my age, it sometimes takes a little longer.

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Next you may see ROTFLMAO which is rolling on the floor laughing my a$$ off. Took me a long time before I knew what that one was.
 
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Here's how far behind I am, this post should have been on here about a 1 1/2 years ago but somehow it got pushed to the side. It leads me to a project I'm engaged in presently and that's when I realized I'd overlooked it. But I'll put it out here now since I think most of you will find it of interest. This will be in two parts because of it's length. I might also note this post has now been edited due to some picture/caption errors in the earlier version that Spareparts and babaluba kindly brought to my attention. It is my hope now that it has been corrected. :)

Amish Factory - The World Revolves Around Hydraulics - Part 1

The only items for the Barn Bench that weren't fabricated "in house" during it's construction were the two solid maple butcher block tops. That was due to the size and weight of them. The longest top as you might recall, took 4 men to just to move it and even then it was a struggle and done with great care least someone get hurt. It weighed hundreds of pounds. The "smaller" top could be handled by 2, but that wasn't all that easy either. Realistically trying to wrestle with either one during construction of them wasn't practical. Since I live close to the largest and oldest Amish settlement in Illinois, Arthur, I contacted an Amish owned and run business near Arthur that specializes in making only butcher block tops. Their work is highly regarded with great attention to detail. My kind of place.

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While I won't go onto a long discussion on the Amish faith let's just say some of the practices that stand out are the fact they don't use any electricity- none- in their homes (to a limited degree they can use it in their businesses, but very limited) and they use horse and buggies as the principle means of transportation. When parked at the factory where my tops were made, you can see in the picture above, hitching posts and horse droppings from Amish customers who had parked there. Heart of Amish Country.

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Once inside, the plant is clean, has ample lighting and is eerily quite. These are stacks of lumber waiting to be made into butcher block tops.

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A glance at the ceiling shows where the majority of the interior lighting comes from. Circled is a light tube. I'll come back to all those lines that look like electrical conduit.

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Light tubes were used everywhere in the plant. Natural sunlight is transmitted down from the roof through these tubes into the interior requiring no electricity to light up the plant. The few fluorescent fixtures seen are the minimal requirement of OSHA.

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What the Amish use for interior lighting when they need it are these gas lamps, circled.

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In essence these are the same as a gas lantern one would take to go camping in the wild. I forgot to ask what gas powers them. I know some smaller, one man shops that have used acetylene gas in the past, but for a plant this size I don't know.

When you take a closer look at some of what seems to be conventional, woodworking equipment; a Powermatic table saw in this case...

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...upon closer inspection you can see where hydraulic lines run into the cabinet base to power a hydraulic motor that has replaced the electric motor.

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Here a conventional Grizzly belt sander has had the electric motor replaced.

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In some instances they do used limited electrical power...

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...note the digital display, even though the working end of the machine is hydraulically powered.

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That machine cuts the lumber...

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...to the correct width and then off loads it here where the scrap is seperated.

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Here you can see 2 large hydraulic lines to...

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...feed power to the motor of this grinder. This machine takes all the left over scrap wood and grinds it into almost mulch. That makes handling of the scrap material much easier.

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With all the different hoses, lines and fittings I really don't recall any that were leaking or weeping for that matter. Though there must have been some, all in all it was a very tidy, well run operation.


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The hydraulics were combined with pneumatics in some instances as seen here.

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So what a first glance seems to be electrical conduit...

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...in most cases are really hydraulic or pneumatic lines.

I hope this is of interest to see how different points of view are adapted to the world around us. It does touch on my next shop project somewhat which you'll see in time.

Again my apologies for any confusion my earlier post might have created. I try my best to put correct information out here and when I don't..........show me no mercy! :eek:

Next up, Amish Factory - Part II.

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The gas for the lamps is most likely LP or natural gas Thomas. I'm actually suprised that they can get away with that considering how dangerous wood dust it.
 

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Sure hate to disagree with you Thomas but some of the motors are actually air motors, on the vertical band saw that motor is air, with the air line attached with a hose clamp and the dusty piece to the left is a muffler. Wonder what they power the compressor with?????
 

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I have to agree with Spareparts on this. Also quite a few of these motors have only a feed, and no return line. The dewalt saw no return line and the fan has an air quick coupler...

Seems to me they have both? The bigger motors sure are hydraulic. Maybe running an air compressor on a hydraulic motor? But what is then giving the hydraulic pressure?...
 

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Woodworking machines that can be "easily" converted to run on hydraulics or compressed air are very popular with the Amish. Auctions for such machines in "Amish" areas often bring very high prices. Not sure how they drive the pumps/compressors. Water power or steam engines possibly? Instead of line shafts with belts and pulleys like folks used in the old days they appear to transmit power with air and hydraulics.
 
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Sure hate to disagree with you Thomas but some of the motors are actually air motors, on the vertical band saw that motor is air, with the air line attached with a hose clamp and the dusty piece to the left is a muffler. Wonder what they power the compressor with?????

I have to agree with Spareparts on this. Also quite a few of these motors have only a feed, and no return line. The dewalt saw no return line and the fan has an air quick coupler...

Seems to me they have both? The bigger motors sure are hydraulic. Maybe running an air compressor on a hydraulic motor? But what is then giving the hydraulic pressure?...

Well ya see, this what I get for waiting sooooo long to do that post. You kind sirs are both correct. I tried to do the post without referencing my notes from long ago and.....when I did locate those notes after I read your comments, I see where I was suppose to post this image...


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... after I had posted all the hydraulic powered equipment showing how they used pneumatics to power these blast gates on the dust collection system. That in turn would have lead to a section on some of the pneumatic powered machines such as the cutoff saw, band saw etc. So now when I look back at my folder of pictures, it all got out of sequence with those notes. As such there are hydraulic machines that haven't been posted but should have and pneumatics that got posted but shouldn't have. Honestly when I was looking at the wrong pictures I kept telling myself- yeah, that's right...when it wasn't. We see what we want to see sometimes I guess. Mea Culpa and how. :eek:

As it's now after 0200 and I'm running on about 4 hours sleep so far, I'll go back tomorrow and re-edit that post and try to make some sense of it. So gentleman you have my heartfelt thanks and gratitude for keeping me honest and on my toes. I'm counting on you all. :thumbup:

A sometimes dumb witted Thomas
 

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Woohoo! Time to celebrate! I made it to the end! It only took me close to two months to get through it, but worth every second of my time. Again, Thomas and Chris, what you guy started as a humble jesture, sharing your historical journey with us, has grown into an enormous documentary. While All of the pics and information and detail given in this thread, it would have never grown to these proportions without the skill of being great narrorators. You have kept our interest for over 3 years, non stop! That is a huge accomplishment not many can claim. With that, and all of the praises you have received, you still remain the same genuine humbled T&C. My hat's off to you my friends.

Now that I'm up to "real time", I'm going to be keeping up to date cause lord knows I don't want to fall behind. Sheesh.

Looking forward to what the future holds:rocker:
 

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Oh, and Thomas thanks so much for the pics of the Amish factory. I live very close to Amish (and Mennonite) country my self. I have always wanted to experience their lifestyle for a short time. Just to appreciate it's simplicity and pureness. I have been to one small pallet factory near by and they were using an electric bandsaw (mill size, not wood shop size). So I'm not sure where the lines are drawn. But now that I think of it, I don't remember if that shop was the Amish or Mennonites. I have also had the pleasure of having a banquet type dinner at an Amish, ummm, catering, er, restaurant, uh, not sure what you would call it. We had a large group of about 75 people and they accommodated all of us in their basement. It was one of the best experiences of my life. Rows and rows of tables and chairs, 6 1/2' ceilings with natural gas globe lights hanging inches above your head, and if you are near bald like me, you would get burned if you stood to close. Half a dozen younger Amish girls and women walking around with huge bowls of green beans and mashed potatoes eager to serve you seconds and thirds. And once I saw the Mother Chef make her rounds toward the end, making sure everyone was happy. This was in the middle of November where outside temps were it he 30s. They had every awning window in the basement open for ventilation but there wasn't a dry brow in the house. It was like a sauna down there but the absolute BEST dinner outing experience I've ever had, hands down.

Any time I hear people gripe and complain about their a/c not cooling or they lost their cel phone, and how are they gonna keep on living. I think, hmm, I bet it can be done.:thumbup:
 
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I'm new to this forum and just now have I come to know the existance of this thread. I started from the very beginning and it is just "awesome"! I love stories such as these and the restoration, pictures, etc. everything about it! There's still so much more to read about and see (that is whatever pictures have been posted). I don't care how old this thread is but it's damn well worth reading, what enjoyment!
Thank you for sharing and posting and please continue on.
 

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Retired last tues. so I have been dropping in at least 3 times a day. Really want to thank both of you for a you """BIG BIG BIG""" contribution to this site, keep it coming. About another week of this retirement stuff and my wife is going to find me a job.
 
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Hello Thomas, I have been totally captivated by your incredible garage since the article in Car Craft several years ago. Luckily I have been reading your posts long enough that I do not have to literally spend days playing catch up. Your work has inspired me to get my garage and shop in order.2013 is the year that I will finish my projects. I, like so many others ,am in awe at your craftsmanship, attention to detail , and tireless work ethic. Your sense of history is admirable . You truely understand that we are all temporary care takers of our tools,cars, and other great toys! Mr. Johnson would be so proud and pleased. I have learned so much from reading and viewing your incredible pictures of your latest project. I am sending my post from HongKong ,and am flying with your friend and crash pad owner ,Brian. He is hoping that you will do a make over on the condo! It's probably a good thing that we don't fly together ,as I would talk your ear off with endless questions! Best of luck when you retire.I look forward to further posts from you and Chris. Again thanks. Ken.

Hi Ken, and thanks for posting in while you guys were on your layover in Hong Kong. When Brian moved to the triple all of us in the 767 community suffered a great loss. What a pleasure he is to fly with. I know he's been "hinting" off and on about "not having any problem with me doing any work at the condo" but there are just no tools! If only.........Now if we can somehow just get some garage space out there, now we're talking. :thumbup:

I do appreciate you taking some time to drop us a note and share your thoughts and kind words Ken. I've still got more coming if you can stand it just a bit longer.

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LMAO off at Fyrme !

LMAO = Laugh My **** Off. :lol:

Thomas, LMAO is the abbreviation for "Laughed My A$$ Off".

Yeah, I had to figure that one out, too. At my age, it sometimes takes a little longer.

GGB

Next you may see ROTFLMAO which is rolling on the floor laughing my a$$ off. Took me a long time before I knew what that one was.

Which is only slightly less funny than ROFLMAO.
Use your brain Thomas, you can figure this one out! LOL

edit ; Mac just beat me to it!

OK then. I just never would have figured that out and I bet I'm not the only one out here over the age of 30 that couldn't either! Thanks fellows for adding to my education. (Where else would you get to read about this stuff") :dunno:

Now wiser Thomas
 
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Woohoo! Time to celebrate! I made it to the end! It only took me close to two months to get through it, but worth every second of my time. ......

......Looking forward to what the future holds:rocker:

I knew you could do it and what a relief to me that you didn't feel you wasted all that time! We'll never know how many get started on the thread and then decide, nah- this isn't for me and abandon the effort.

Now Fyrme about that, ummm.... disturbing avatar of yours........:wtf: That's something you just don't see around here everyday.

Thomas
 

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okay I can not lie I have badly screwed up on the 10 pages a day thing.

I did get the plasma cutter fixed some one in Korea ( I think ) forgot to tighten all the wires inside!!!!! and they even had paint marks on em to make sure they didnt come loose (doing that and not tightening them made me just skip those and look further) an agravating 2 hours of time that was
I hit page 199 cannot go further saw GUS arrive made me tear up! I have a 53 cj3b sitting waiting to be restored, I bought it in 1998 for my sons to restore, then 3 weeks later was hurt at work resulting in my knee ending up with a lot of medical practice on it and we have not done much since (this might be the push to get going)
Thomas and Chris if ND wasnt as far away from ILL as it is Id show up just to air up my tires love the aerometers,
We had one at the gas station my dad owned and that I worked in growing up till a truck drove over it one day. Quite a spectacular fire cloud as the gas pumps went off in a ball of fire!! taking it with them.
love the old tools and everything else associated with this shop..
as an old bracket racer the old muscle cars are just so cool!!!
 

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Now Fyrme about that, ummm.... disturbing avatar of yours........:wtf: That's something you just don't see around here everyday.

Thomas

LMAO. (See pg 319 post 6370, so kindly defined by HOTFR8).

That avatar is a picture of a picture that hung on a bathroom wall at a little quaint, and quite expensive restaurant outside of town. And if anyone from the San Antonio area can help me find a way to buy an actual print of it, there is a cookie in it for you.
 

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Hello Thomas, Chris and GJ crew.
I thought about you and your switch plate the other day as I was checking some wiring in my shop. As I replaced a switch plate I noticed it was crooked so I attempted to adjust the switch in the box to straigten the switch plate. I gave up and will live with my crooked switch plate. I'm thinking the switch box is warped. It is the plastic type that nails to the post or stud. My shop is not anywhere near the high standard of yours but we do have at least one thing in common. Sorry if this opens an old wound.
Take care
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Thomas, I'm probably older than you, and I have often had to ask my nephews (who seem to always be texting) what the abbreviations mean. And sometimes, I wish I hadn't asked!

I grew up with the understanding that you shouldn't write it if you wouldn't have wanted your parents or grandparents to read it. Or say to the person IN person. But that doesn't seem to apply to a lot of communications today, especially the electronic forms.

Guess that makes me a fuddy duddy........Is that okay to say?

GGB
 

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Thomas, and Chris
Well I am only up to page 123 and just had to say WOW and thank you for sharing your lives and passion with the rest of the world!
Everyone has used the expletives that I would use to describe this thread, just keep up the fantastic job, I still have 2 yrs of reading to catch up on! (Glad the wife is out of town on business, so I can read til the wee small hours!

Love it!!

Guss
 

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LMAO. (See pg 319 post 6370, so kindly defined by HOTFR8).

That avatar is a picture of a picture that hung on a bathroom wall at a little quaint, and quite expensive restaurant outside of town. And if anyone from the San Antonio area can help me find a way to buy an actual print of it, there is a cookie in it for you.

Umm... :dunno: Meadow Cookie??

:lol_hitti
 

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OK then. I just never would have figured that out and I bet I'm not the only one out here over the age of 30 that couldn't either! Thanks fellows for adding to my education. (Where else would you get to read about this stuff") :dunno:

Now wiser Thomas
Thomas, I bet a fair number of those Under-30s don't know the meaning of FUBAR and SNAFU and certainly have never seen a tin of Shinola, let alone recognize the contents.

In honor of this fantastic thread, I wanted to post a picture of Shinola because I know for certain you have never posted it's opposite.
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