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I just have to say that this has been a most excellent read. :rocker:

There's not a lot to do where I'm at, so I spend a LOT of time on the Internet reading. I've had to intentionally pace myself over the last couple of weeks reading the whole thing, but it's been well worth it.

Great pictures and great stories.

Thank you for taking the time to include all of us in this part of your life. :thumbup:

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Regarding the large piece of channel on the press,I'm thinking how well that would work on differential carrier bearings-the hole looks to be about the right size.
 

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... of some 3,000+ LP's is alphabetized by artist and then by date of album release as well. Is there any other way? :dunno: Clearly you(we) are not alone in a very unorganized world. Thanks for your understanding and for coming along on the adventure.

Oh yes, there is another way! I have 10,000ish:scared: LP's and 12" and for many, many years they were organized by BPM (beats per minute) to facilitate mixing. I DJ'd in many clubs in my misspent youth and that was the only way to organize vinyl. They are in a bit of disarray these days since they have been moved a few times without my direct supervision. I hope to get some people started ripping them to MP3 over the winter, quite a bit of them are not available on CD.
 

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HMMM !
Interesting!
I found this thread several months ago and just now completed reading it through from beginning to post #7326. Notice I didn't say end. I don't think this thing will ever end.
What drew me into it was the pictures of the start of the adventure AND the progress that had been made to date. Amazing.
So many times an interesting project thread gets started and then fades off.
What kept me coming back was the fine people who inhabit the vortex.
At the head is Thomas and Chris.
I'm glad I stayed with it.
With so much negativity going on in the world in general it's a great thing to find good people living a great life, showing others that good things DO happen.
As my so wise oldest daughter says. Belief and hard work make all things possible.
NOT EASY, but possible.
Thank You Thomas and Chris.
 

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People tell me I'm OCD about keeping my stuff organized. My LP record collection is alphabetized and I keep tools and other things in the shop, in my study or on my desk put up so when I need it I can find it.

Now when ever some one gives me a hard time about the way I keep my stuff organized I don't let it bother me because I know at the "Center of the Universe" things are organized and powder coated. I find great comfort in that.

I've never had a big record collection, about one hundred cds and maybe the same in LP, but still try to keep it organized. A pal once looked at them and shook his head like I had some kind of problem, when he saw I have them in alphabetical order by artist. Asked another pal with such a 'wall of lots of thousands cd' collection when he started to organise them by the alphabet?
-"Well, as soon as I got two records I guess"
 

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Chris and Thomas, I haven't checked in for a few days, and had missed the reference to your LP collection. My Bride and I attended an auction a few years ago and among the items for sale were numerous albums. We won several of the groupings, which jump started us on our now growing collection. To date we've been able to keep it fairly well alphabetized, but it's a challenge.

Someone once told me that albums should be listed by the first letters of the last name in the case of a solo artist, but by the first letters of a group's name. Unfortunately that tends to become an issue when the group changes it's name, frequently by listing the lead singer first. In those situations, I usually defer to how the group first recorded, but have often wondered how others have dealt with this. And I've always wondered about the group vs. artist listing order as I described. Any comments? Regardless, our albums are more organized than most of our other collections!

It's been a lot of fun listening again to some of the music from when I was growing up. And as hobbies go, this one is fairly inexpensive.

GGB
 

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You record album guys should watch the movie "High Fidelity". There are a lot of ways to organize an enormous music collection, at least according to the John Cusak character.
 
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I just have to say that this has been a most excellent read. :rocker:

There's not a lot to do where I'm at, so I spend a LOT of time on the Internet reading. I've had to intentionally pace myself over the last couple of weeks reading the whole thing, but it's been well worth it.

Great pictures and great stories.

Thank you for taking the time to include all of us in this part of your life. :thumbup:

NV

NV when there's not a lot to do I'll bet anything might look good! Glad you liked what you've read and seen here and thank you for your interest. Clearly you get it. Welcome aboard. :)

Regarding the large piece of channel on the press,I'm thinking how well that would work on differential carrier bearings-the hole looks to be about the right size.

That sounds very plausible. I'll see if I can get a definitive answer, I think we'd all like to know but you're right about the size of that hole.

I've never had a big record collection, about one hundred cds and maybe the same in LP, but still try to keep it organized. A pal once looked at them and shook his head like I had some kind of problem, when he saw I have them in alphabetical order by artist. Asked another pal with such a 'wall of lots of thousands cd' collection when he started to organise them by the alphabet?
-"Well, as soon as I got two records I guess"

Thanks mangusk, excellant! :D

You record album guys should watch the movie "High Fidelity". There are a lot of ways to organize an enormous music collection, at least according to the John Cusak character.

My daughter brought that movie to my attention a while back, and I thought it was most excellent. My favorite scenes in it are watching actor Jack Black. I've know some sales clerks like him! :wtf:





Just priceless. Thanks oberst.

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Chris and Thomas, I haven't checked in for a few days, and had missed the reference to your LP collection. My Bride and I attended an auction a few years ago and among the items for sale were numerous albums. We won several of the groupings, which jump started us on our now growing collection. To date we've been able to keep it fairly well alphabetized, but it's a challenge.

Someone once told me that albums should be listed by the first letters of the last name in the case of a solo artist, but by the first letters of a group's name. Unfortunately that tends to become an issue when the group changes it's name, frequently by listing the lead singer first. In those situations, I usually defer to how the group first recorded, but have often wondered how others have dealt with this. And I've always wondered about the group vs. artist listing order as I described. Any comments? Regardless, our albums are more organized than most of our other collections!

It's been a lot of fun listening again to some of the music from when I was growing up. And as hobbies go, this one is fairly inexpensive.

GGB

Hi again GGB, boy how to organize record collections. That could start a whole new thread that would easily surpass this one! What it all comes down to I'd say is whatever works and makes sense to you. After all, Mr Johnson seemed to have a system for organizing his shop material...



...it's just that it was a system that I didn't understand and he did. :dunno:

I have enjoyed collecting LP's over the years and meeting some great people doing so. Music is really important to me. When I first go out to the shop, after the lights go on the very next thing I do is get the music playing. I even find I pause it if I have to step out of the shop for a few minutes because I don't want to "waste it ", have it playing with no one hearing it. :eek:

So many LP's and so little time!

Thomas
 
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HMMM !
Interesting!
I found this thread several months ago and just now completed reading it through from beginning to post #7326. Notice I didn't say end. I don't think this thing will ever end.
What drew me into it was the pictures of the start of the adventure AND the progress that had been made to date. Amazing.
So many times an interesting project thread gets started and then fades off.
What kept me coming back was the fine people who inhabit the vortex.
At the head is Thomas and Chris.
I'm glad I stayed with it.
With so much negativity going on in the world in general it's a great thing to find good people living a great life, showing others that good things DO happen.
As my so wise oldest daughter says. Belief and hard work make all things possible.
NOT EASY, but possible.
Thank You Thomas and Chris.

So I'm off flying and at times can't keep in touch electronically until I get home as long time friends here know.
Such has been the case the last few days and then, when I did get back and had a chance to check in here, I find this heartfelt post from stewed baker.
That is a perfect example of what keeps me(us) going here.
You've touched on so many good points and I think truly summed up what makes this thread perhaps so special; it's the great community that inhabits this space or more correctly, vortex.
All of us I think, come here to have a good time and to share.
We all have something to contribute, large or small and all here feel they can do so without being judged for it.
I have learned so much from others here and am thankful for that.
This thread is so interesting because it's sum of all who have or will contribute for the benefit of all of us.
As someone here once put it, "we'd all like to stop by your shop in person as a central gathering place to visit with friends if we could. Since most of us can't, we do the next best thing and stop by this thread"
Chris and I have been blessed more than you'll know.
Thank you stewed baker for your kind words and encouragement.

Thomas

BTW, I'm starting to wonder myself if this thread will ever end............
 
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And speaking of flying I know we have several aviation enthusiasts that frequent this thread and I've had some inquires, so here's a peak at some of what I do for my day (night?) job when I'm not out in the shop. This will be Part I.



If you have ever noticed some doors at airport terminals that say "Authorized Personal Only" or words to that effect, here's a peak at what is behind some of them.



We have 3 such rooms at our terminal in Newark. The phones are to connect us with dispatch or flight ops.



These are flight planning rooms where we look the flight plans over, and if it's a long range international flight, pick up an appropriate plotting chart from one of these stacks which gives us worldwide coverage. You'll see more about using these plotting charts later.



At each plotting station we'll compare the flight plan with the navigational charts, plot the flight on a plotting chart, look over the weather, NOTAM's (notices to airmen) etc. We have these handy flight aids under plexi to help determine various aspects of the flight so we don't have to pull out manuals to look up some of the more commonly used information.



There are also computer monitors to view satellite weather photos, radar images and various other flight assist data. Notice all the printer paper on the shelves. For my Sao Paulo flights alone, the flight package often consists of 60 pages or more of material, and that's just for flight down. So much for the "paperless" society we were going to see in the future.



With all the paper work reviewed, we'll then go the aircraft where before each flight, the crew will all gather together and review any special aspects of the flight, what type of weather to expect enroute and on arrival, whether it will be bumpy or smooth, safety concerns etc. This briefing will usually set the "tone" for the flight and has found to be very beneficial.



These are our Business First seats which...



..can be configure to lay flat.



With a pillow and a blanket most anyone really can fall asleep on the plane.



With the crew briefing complete we step into...



... my office. Here we'll preflight the cockpit looking for an aircraft problem before we leave the gate area and also perform a visual check on the exterior of the aircraft. After that we'll set the flight deck up for the flight, enter the appropriate data in the flight computers and do our own briefing about the flight. This picture was taken using a flash, turn off the flash and...



...this is what you'll see. I did my best to keep the camera steady. It's just a little point and shoot camera and with so little light I'm afraid this is the best I could do at the time, but you get the idea. There's a lot of information on those glass panels. This is the forward panel and console...



...the overhead panel above our heads...



...and the IRO's (International Relief Officer) station.



This is a look at just a few of the wire bundles behind some of those panels. I know Rick would love to try and hunt down an intermittent short in one of those!

That concludes Part I. Next I'll take you airborne.

Thomas
 

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Plastic tubes look like protection for wires.? Or maybe for carrying air? Inquiring minds want to know. Can't wait to find out.

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At what point do you contact the dispatcher assigned to your flight? My son is a dispatcher for a small airline and until he became one I never knew for each flight in the air there is a dispatcher on the ground assigned to that flight.
 
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This is a look at just a few of the wire bundles behind some of those panels. I know Rick would love to try and hunt down an intermittent short in one of those!

Thomas

I am disappointed to see all those Ty-wraps. My favorite task in the Air Force was to hunt down shorts and opens in the F106 wiring. We tied the wire bundles, some as big as your wrist, with wax coated twine. Re-wrapping the wire bundles with that was as much an art as installing safety wire properly (which I also enjoyed doing, but as an electrician I didn't get to do too much).

I too am looking forward to part II. And thanks again for keeping us enlightened and entertained.
 

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Very cool ! Thank you for posting all that. one question. What are the clear plastic tubes in the last picture for ?

I would have thought that was obvious, for the flight deck optics of course!! Thankfully, they look like they were purge cleaned after the last flight, so they should be fine for this one...mine's a vodka & lime please, no ice!!:drink:
 

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Still following along quietly and loving every minute of it.

Thanks for the small view into your 'day' job. No matter if it's a powder coat project or a small glimpse into your daily life, you never cease to amaze with the amount of detail you include.

Thought of you this weekend as I was taking a tree down. A 60-80 year old blackjack oak. That's a guess as I haven't spent the time counting rings. It was 32" diameter. It hurt to lose that tree. It was infested with poison ivy and that choked out the canopy, then we were blessed with 2 straight summers of drought which finished it off. You came to mind when I started to think of what to do with the trunk. I need to find a mill and get some lumber out of it!

Jeff
 
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Very cool ! Thank you for posting all that. one question. What are the clear plastic tubes in the last picture for ?

That's an excellant question. For the answer see below.

Plastic tubes look like protection for wires.? Or maybe for carrying air? Inquiring minds want to know. Can't wait to find out.

Chris

I might point out Chris is finding out about those tubes by reading this on the thread. I didn't let her "jump the line" so to speak, and whisper the answer softly in her ear to impress her at dinner. ;)

I would have thought that was obvious, for the flight deck optics of course!! Thankfully, they look like they were purge cleaned after the last flight, so they should be fine for this one...mine's a vodka & lime please, no ice!!:drink:

Well MisteR Tee, I can see where your mind is! :D

As for the clear tubing that was pictured, those connect to the E/E cooling monitor on the P61 panel. Heat is deadly to electronics so it's important to be able to monitor air flow (which cools the equipment) to the various racks that contain electronics. Those tubes just carry airflow to flow indicators called the E/E cooling monitor panel on the P61 panel. These hoses come from different equipment racks in the E/E compartment and are for indication purposes. They have little plastic balls that float just for a positive air flow indicator. See, I'm not just a pretty face after all! :)

Now, aren't you glad you asked that question? You just know that'll be on the test! :thumbup:

Thomas
 
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I am disappointed to see all those Ty-wraps. My favorite task in the Air Force was to hunt down shorts and opens in the F106 wiring. We tied the wire bundles, some as big as your wrist, with wax coated twine. Re-wrapping the wire bundles with that was as much an art as installing safety wire properly (which I also enjoyed doing, but as an electrician I didn't get to do too much).

I too am looking forward to part II. And thanks again for keeping us enlightened and entertained.

Terry, did you re-wrap those bundles in the manner shown here...



... and here it is a little closer.



That's how I secured the wire from my garage door opener at our house to some conduit that was right by it rather than let it just dangle loosely. I didn't use wax coated twine (I used some old, scrap telephone wire), but that's how I remember a lot of wire bundles in electronics from the 50's and 60's were secured using just a single strand running the entire length of the bundle. You are correct about it being an art form, it was beautiful to see.

Thomas
 
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Still following along quietly and loving every minute of it.

Thanks for the small view into your 'day' job. No matter if it's a powder coat project or a small glimpse into your daily life, you never cease to amaze with the amount of detail you include.

Thought of you this weekend as I was taking a tree down. A 60-80 year old blackjack oak. That's a guess as I haven't spent the time counting rings. It was 32" diameter. It hurt to lose that tree. It was infested with poison ivy and that choked out the canopy, then we were blessed with 2 straight summers of drought which finished it off. You came to mind when I started to think of what to do with the trunk. I need to find a mill and get some lumber out of it!

Jeff

Good call Jeff, that tree should yield a lot of useable lumber. There are saw mills around you I'm sure. Seal the ends as soon as possible to minimize checking. You might recall I just use plain old white glue and brush it on. If the tree was in an urban setting be aware there might be old hardware in it that it has grown over. The mill operator wouldn't be happy if he hits old nails or screws.



This is a picture of Bob using a metal detector, checking some my walnut logs for metal before he sawed them.



You might have seen these two pieces of a tree trunk in the background of some of my other pictures by the tool shed. It was a white oak.



We counted the rings and there were over two hundred of them.



The heartwood measured 40" (101.6 cm) in diameter. Your oak is just a bit smaller but that should give you some indication how old it was. I bet you find well over 100 rings in it. Let us know will you?

Thomas
 
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Oh yes, there is another way! I have 10,000ish:scared: LP's and 12" and for many, many years they were organized by BPM (beats per minute) to facilitate mixing. I DJ'd in many clubs in my misspent youth and that was the only way to organize vinyl. They are in a bit of disarray these days since they have been moved a few times without my direct supervision. I hope to get some people started ripping them to MP3 over the winter, quite a bit of them are not available on CD.

noelalford, I guess I'm showing my old age here. I never dreamed you could organize LP's by BPM. I mean really, who knew?? :dunno:

Thanks for posting in, Chris needs all the material she can get for the test!

Thomas
 

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This thread keeps delivering. Amazing. Tom, your thread has had an influence on my everyday life. We went to Jamaica recently, and in the airport, I would look at planes and be like "hmmm... Which type of plane is this... I wonder if Tom is certified to fly this... I wonder if our pilot is as methodical and careful as Tom... Are we in good hands?"

LOL!

Thanks for the airport photos. I actually like airports and being in airports (except Newark. This place ***** balls). It's great to have some behind-the-scenes info.
 

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Terry, did you re-wrap those bundles in the manner shown here...



... and here it is a little closer.



That's how I secured the wire from my garage door opener at our house to some conduit that was right by it rather than let it just dangle loosely. I didn't use wax coated twine (I used some old, scrap telephone wire), but that's how I remember a lot of wire bundles in electronics from the 50's and 60's were secured using just a single strand running the entire length of the bundle. You are correct about it being an art form, it was beautiful to see.

Thomas

Yes, that is the general idea Thomas. The loops around the wire bundle were closer together -- every 2-inches or so. And the there was a loop just before and after any of the wires left the bundle for another destination. Ty-wraps just don't have the craftsmanship of proper bundling.

Keep the instructions coming. Those of us riding in the tin can just don't get to see the operation.
Terry
 

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noelalford, I guess I'm showing my old age here. I never dreamed you could organize LP's by BPM. I mean really, who knew?? :dunno:

Thanks for posting in, Chris needs all the material she can get for the test!

Thomas

With a computer one could file the LPs in any order and just number them. Index them in a searchable data base and you can find whatever you want by title, artist, composer or BPM or any other data you included in the index.
Terry
 

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BB767. Neat airplane pics. You're United, right. I have a friend who is a simulator instructor/pilot who was 777 for years and just switched to 747-400. Got to spend an afternoon in the 777 simulator as a new crew was learning emergency procedures. I think I made them nervous because the had little success over 4 hours, maybe because they had no idea who I was or why I was there, but the next day my friend said they aced every procedure. Those planes are so complicated these days.
 

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This is a look at just a few of the wire bundles behind some of those panels. I know Rick would love to try and hunt down an intermittent short in one of those!

Thomas

Piece of cake, I call a friend who learned his stuff wiring brand new L1011's at Lockheed back in the day & say "Got an electrical problem here, let me know what you find & fix it"
 
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At what point do you contact the dispatcher assigned to your flight? My son is a dispatcher for a small airline and until he became one I never knew for each flight in the air there is a dispatcher on the ground assigned to that flight.

There's quite a bit of "behind the scenes" effort that goes into every flight that the public is completely unaware of. That's a little of why I decided to post some material about it. I thought everyone here might find it interesting but it has nothing to do with the old shop so I was somewhat concerned it might not be well received. :dunno:

We typically don't contact the dispatcher unless we have a question concerning the flight. Our flight plans are generated by dispatch and we pull them up in the flight planning rooms and print them out. If it all looks good to us we'll sign off on it and proceed to the aircraft. If there's a question about the routing assigned to the flight, or we're not happy with the planned fuel load for example, then we'll call dispatch to get a resolution that everyone agrees on.

In our operations center each flight is followed by a dispatcher from push back until arrive at the destination gate. Of course these dispatchers follow multiple flights simultaneously, not just one at a time, but at any time we can call, via satellite communications, in flight and talk with our assigned dispatcher.


BB767. Neat airplane pics. You're United, right. I have a friend who is a simulator instructor/pilot who was 777 for years and just switched to 747-400. Got to spend an afternoon in the 777 simulator as a new crew was learning emergency procedures. I think I made them nervous because the had little success over 4 hours, maybe because they had no idea who I was or why I was there, but the next day my friend said they aced every procedure. Those planes are so complicated these days.

What a treat that was huh? Those simulators are amazing. I'm ExCon, ex Continental, now merged with United. Yes modern transport category aircraft are incredibly complex machines and how we operate them is becoming more sophisticated all the time. To cope with that, they are becoming more and more automated. That's fine as long as we, as pilots, remained engaged and don't become complacent and detached. Hope you bought your friend lunch because getting inside to see those sims in action is something the general public will never get to see first hand.

Thomas
 

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I was wondering when we were going to see some more aircraft in the thread - and also why you don't keep an ultralight or similar aircraft knocking around in the Auto Shop! This Alaskan bush plane crossed my screen a few days ago, and it's a real hotrod - twin Rotrax 914 turbos (push and pull) with a combined 260hp for redundancy, huge flaps for STOL performance (stall speed of 26mph), bubble cockpit for visibility on rough landings, spaceframe construction and big tyres for ruggedness, and the general dimensions and parts compatibility of a SuperCub. Forgive me for derailing the thread, but I figured if you were going to have something a little agricultural tucked away...



Of course, it's all worth it for the ability to do this, and I'd advise watching this too. A kit-built plane would be a good project for the shop, you know you want to...
 

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Thomas, Chris, While watching Overhaulin' today, they talked with Vic Edelbrock and he pointed out one of his fathers original manifolds. It's called the Slingshot. Way back in the postings you were dealing with an unusual intake manifold for a flathead. The Al Jerould manifold looks very much like the old Edelbrock Slingshot. Is this news or not? :thumbup: Dennis
 
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Thomas, Chris, While watching Overhaulin' today, they talked with Vic Edelbrock and he pointed out one of his fathers original manifolds. It's called the Slingshot. Way back in the postings you were dealing with an unusual intake manifold for a flathead. The Al Jerould manifold looks very much like the old Edelbrock Slingshot. Is this news or not? :thumbup: Dennis

Dennis, I'm in Honolulu at present working, (I'm here and Chris isn't so....no, wait - that didn't sound right, but yes it's true she isn't and yes it's a change from my normal Brazil routing) so that's why I haven't been able to post much on here of late. Thanks for thinking of us and yes the subject has come up in discussion here in the past.




The Edelbrock Slingshot manifold seen here...



...and the Al Jerauld "Y" manifold seen here, look almost identical. What is not known and will probably never be known is which one came first. That has apparently been lost to history. They both appeared on the hot rod scene roughly at the same time, in the late 1930's. Edelbrock is certainly the most well known name of the two and the Slingshot manifold is now being reproduced and sold by Edelbrock. There has been some discussion on the question of who copied whom, among veterans of that era. Those who are still around have gone back and forth and the definitive answer has yet to emerge.

It was my discovery of that manifold in amongst "material" at the shop and it's reunion to Jacob Bagnell, stepson to Al Jerauld, that touched off a whole chain of events that are still ongoing and evolving even as I post this. We'll just have to wait for Rocky and Bullwinkle's Mister Peabody and his WABAC machine to time travel back and find the true answer I guess.....or is that more information than you wanted Dennis? :dunno:

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A more important question than the provenance of the Y-manifold (yes, at times, there are more important things) is...
will Chris & Tom ever be together in the same exotic place (preferably Hawaii)? Stay tuned...

Chris
 
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