bigcaddy
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My dads 12-50. Badge
The VISES of Garage Journal
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Outlawmws
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So do I (or one like that), but not THAT bad...
topop101
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As the first month as a new member draws to a close, I have to say this group has really fired up my drive to collect. Picked up "6" vises this month bringing my total to 30. including 4 reeds, 5 parkers, 5 wiltons, 4 craftsman, 2 prentsis, a dunlap, colton, Stanley, columbian, simplex, Holland, athol, rocky, eron, and a W.T & Fc post vise. I've been collecting off and on over the years but it's about to get serious!. Just want to say thanks to those of you who have spoke to me and inspired me with conversation and photos of some really beautiful work. The men who made these vises, many over 100 years ago, would approve. Thanks.
fullthrottle24
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Mine. 5196 10/54. Badge.
I think badges were early to mid 50's, then switching over to raised lettering in later years.
I think badges were early to mid 50's, then switching over to raised lettering in later years.
My 5197 has the same badge and is marked 9 '48Mine. 5196 10/54. Badge.
I think badges were early to mid 50's, then switching over to raised lettering in later years.
topop101
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mini me...lol any idea on when the 51820's were made?Mine. 5196 10/54. Badge.
I think badges were early to mid 50's, then switching over to raised lettering in later years.
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fullthrottle24
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Ok, I think we are getting closer. I also have a Rock Island Craftsman with a 1946 date. Someone here probably knows what year the heritage logo first came to be.
jakemac
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According to the catalogs, the Heritage Logo was in use from 1945 - 1959. There was likely some overlap with the logos as different suppliers changed over.
va.grouseman
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Originally posted by Econotrk.
Thanks for the confirmation, sometimes one needs to be talked off the ledge. But I still really want it, sigh.
Econ,---B100 and Outlaw are right.---There are way better deals, and that is way too much money for that vise.---I just paid $350.00 for Reed 406 swivel jaw, 164 lbs., 6 inch jaws, real nice condition.---And that is the high end for one like that.---It's your money, but I wouldn't pull the trigger on that one.---But again, it's your money.
Thanks for the confirmation, sometimes one needs to be talked off the ledge. But I still really want it, sigh.
Econ,---B100 and Outlaw are right.---There are way better deals, and that is way too much money for that vise.---I just paid $350.00 for Reed 406 swivel jaw, 164 lbs., 6 inch jaws, real nice condition.---And that is the high end for one like that.---It's your money, but I wouldn't pull the trigger on that one.---But again, it's your money.
uniballer
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Mine. 5196 10/54. Badge.
I think badges were early to mid 50's, then switching over to raised lettering in later years.
I have a nos badge that style. I think the right size?
Been watching CL for an old vise for a while now. Picked this one up this evening.
It's an Athol, jaws are 4 1/2" wide and the dynamic jaw is quick adjust.
I can't make out what the text says on the bottom pic, "No 42"? Been searching and can't find another one like it on the web so far, which ***** cause I want to know more about it.
I've never rebuilt a vise before, but definitely want to do this one right. It looks like it's been around a long time already and I plan to use it for my everyday vise and hand it down to my boys to do the same.
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It's an Athol, jaws are 4 1/2" wide and the dynamic jaw is quick adjust.
I can't make out what the text says on the bottom pic, "No 42"? Been searching and can't find another one like it on the web so far, which ***** cause I want to know more about it.
I've never rebuilt a vise before, but definitely want to do this one right. It looks like it's been around a long time already and I plan to use it for my everyday vise and hand it down to my boys to do the same.
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I've been lurking for awhile with nothing much to report. This week I found an odd one. I got it off an online auction over in Wisconsin. Looked like a vise that begins with a W. When I picked it up, I found no i.d. marks. But, I was still certain that it was born in Chicago or Schiller Park. I worried a bit that it might be an import. I was really happy to find all the screws and threads were SAE and not metric. So, not an import, but a customized vise from Chicago or Schiller Park. The only original Iron is in the stationary and moveable jaws. And, maybe the Jaw inserts. All other parts are machined. Cap in rear is imbedded in the stationary jaw about 7/16 of an inch. Nut is turned and imbedded in the cap. Thread and handle are turned. Guide for the slot in the moveable jaw is hand made. Don't know the who, where or when of the parts. Attaching photos of his work.
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Kas: i'm guessing your vise was made at a trade school and was originally a Wilton bullet design. interesting modifications. any name on the other side of the vise and how wide are the jaws?
BMW: your vise looks a lot like the clamp on vises but nicer with the swivel and the wrench. can you post up a bunch more pictures with some specs like how wide the jaws are and how heavy it is?
#9: that sure looks like a #42 Athol and with that 1871 patent on it it's an oldie. just a warning that is a coachmaker's vise with the tall jaws so be careful using that in a garage to clamp metal objects very tight. I've seen a lot of them broken and welded back together. a lot of guys use that style for wood. nice looking vise for sure.
Topop: happy to hear you are enjoying your vice for vises and hope you continue saving all those lost souls in your area.
Youngfd: It seems like i just dropped that Wilton bullet off at your house a couple days ago. how are you getting paint to dry or did i miss the oven in your shop? looks even better now and good to know it found another good home.
ALL: i'm enjoying all these old Craftsman heritage 519x's that are popping up and thinking of starting a thread over in vintage for just them so we can figure out if Columbian or another company made them.
BMW: your vise looks a lot like the clamp on vises but nicer with the swivel and the wrench. can you post up a bunch more pictures with some specs like how wide the jaws are and how heavy it is?
#9: that sure looks like a #42 Athol and with that 1871 patent on it it's an oldie. just a warning that is a coachmaker's vise with the tall jaws so be careful using that in a garage to clamp metal objects very tight. I've seen a lot of them broken and welded back together. a lot of guys use that style for wood. nice looking vise for sure.
Topop: happy to hear you are enjoying your vice for vises and hope you continue saving all those lost souls in your area.
Youngfd: It seems like i just dropped that Wilton bullet off at your house a couple days ago. how are you getting paint to dry or did i miss the oven in your shop? looks even better now and good to know it found another good home.
ALL: i'm enjoying all these old Craftsman heritage 519x's that are popping up and thinking of starting a thread over in vintage for just them so we can figure out if Columbian or another company made them.
drivesitfar
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VA: i'm not sure what all those pages you mentioned on the vise thread about the vise companies because all of them are on post #2. i might have to transfer a few still, but i think we might have 100 more companies than Dayids.org has listed on our vise repair 101 thread.
you are still king of the searching even if you do tell some of your searching tips.
you are still king of the searching even if you do tell some of your searching tips.
va.grouseman
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Drive,---Could you cut and paste your post #2 to a PM so I can see how your thread configuration differs from mine.---Maybe we can get on the same page.---No pun intended.
torqueman2002
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During a recent swing through the Steel City for a Craftsman Block grinder (or 2), I picked up some extra shop tools, one of which is this small vise.
So, what is it? Any ideas?
Well, sometime you roll a strike instead of a gutter ball.
Looks like the vise I picked up for $2! I was going to use it, now it's too expensive!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/PATD-JUNE-1...S-/321632122575?ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:1653
topop101
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Just happy you're in MO!
Well this part of the country isn't a target rich environment for vises. I have to drive 150 miles on average to rescue them out of barns or retiring machine shops. Next weekend , I'm going 300 miles to "pick" a 40 year old collection if the weather holds up. I have some old army buddies that live back east , that may be just the excuse I need to invade your hunting grounds this summer.
My next vise is my favorite!
Mohawk Dave
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number9,
Cool vise. Like drivesitfar stated, those are not intended for cranking on. Sheetmetal, wood, etc. So, maybe keep your eyes peeled for another "regular" vise. I have been looking for one like yours for 2+ years and yet to run across one.
Also, you said "quick adjust".....how? I have a Cardinal Speed Vise that you lift up the lead screw and handle, and it lifts off a 1/2 nut. But yours doesn't look like it has room to move up and down with the collar? Or can it?
Cool vise. Like drivesitfar stated, those are not intended for cranking on. Sheetmetal, wood, etc. So, maybe keep your eyes peeled for another "regular" vise. I have been looking for one like yours for 2+ years and yet to run across one.
Also, you said "quick adjust".....how? I have a Cardinal Speed Vise that you lift up the lead screw and handle, and it lifts off a 1/2 nut. But yours doesn't look like it has room to move up and down with the collar? Or can it?
Mark in Indiana
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Just happy you're in MO!
It's more fun than golf...and cheaper.
Pics as promised. FWIW, I used a maple block with large hole as an anvil, and a 24 oz ball peen as it had the largest radius. Actually takes some pretty good hits to form that heavy gauge cap. Paint is Rustoleum Hammered Light Blue, plus a spritz of Verde Green while it was wet---color matches very well, but it is more glossy than factory paint. I can scuff it up a bit later.
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drivesitfar
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Ex: nice work on the damaged dust cover. did you say that is a Wilton C1? i just checked that link you posted about removing the dust cover and in the OP's first post where he takes his bullet all apart he uses a wood dowel to remove the dust cover. so is that what you ended up doing?
how do you like that vise? it's a bit smaller than your Reed 2C, but i like all the Reed and Wilton C series vises.
how do you like that vise? it's a bit smaller than your Reed 2C, but i like all the Reed and Wilton C series vises.
Youngfd
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DRIVE-- Thanks for finding me a very clean vise to start with. Painting trick this time of year is to pre-warm the shop and get metal products up to temp. I take paint in house and set on a furnace register to give it a little boost.
I used Wilton's recommended method of using the spindle to push it out the cap.
I bought the C1 on a whim, and I haven't used it yet. It has never been mounted, so I'm on the fence of whether to use it/save it/sell it. As much as I would like to replace my Wilton 400S in my garage, things tend to rust in Chicago winters and I'd hate to scar this beautiful C1. I think I will in fact mount the Reed 2C instead, as it has similar features & weight, and only cost 1/8 the $$$. And the Reed is a perfectly proportioned piece of tool art
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McBrownie
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I used Wilton's recommended method of using the spindle to push it out the cap.
I bought the C1 on a whim, and I haven't used it yet. It has never been mounted, so I'm on the fence of whether to use it/save it/sell it. As much as I would like to replace my Wilton 400S in my garage, things tend to rust in Chicago winters and I'd hate to scar this beautiful C1. I think I will in fact mount the Reed 2C instead, as it has similar features and only cost 1/8 the $$$. And the Reed is a perfectly proportioned piece of tool art
Ex,
I've been having good luck with Corrosion-X to keep the rust away. Vise handles, jaws, tools, even the cast iron table on my drill press are like new. I just wipe them down every month or so. I also followed the suggestion and got the spray can instead of the spray bottle which apparently leaks. It's been a few years and the can is still almost full. A little goes a long way.
Outlawmws
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During a recent swing through the Steel City for a Craftsman Block grinder (or 2), I picked up some extra shop tools, one of which is this small vise.
So, what is it? Any ideas?
Well, sometime you roll a strike instead of a gutter ball.
Looks like the vise I picked up for $2! I was going to use it, now it's too expensive!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/PATD-JUNE-1...S-/321632122575?ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:1653
Sorry, missed this post...
It's a Colton Patent. vise:
George A. Colton patent holder, No. 320,224. Patented June 16, 1885. H&B, "Inmarks" and unmarked examples exist.
Look for closed Eprey sales; I think the guy is dreaming a bit on the buy it now price...
Great find for $2 though!
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drivesitfar
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YoungFD: thanks for the painting tips and maybe a vintage oven in my shop is the answer until i build one of my own with a good heat source. good to see the Wilton will have a good home and user.
EX: I agree with your thinking. While a Wilton C1 will do most any job for all homeowner's shops except members of GJ i think the Reed 2C is a step up and it has that "old school" look to it.
All: I finally bought one of these little Craftsman Drill press vises that you can do angle drilling with. For about a 40 year old vise it almost looks like it was never used. i'll dust it off, grease it up and use it on one of my old benchtop drill presses.
EX: I agree with your thinking. While a Wilton C1 will do most any job for all homeowner's shops except members of GJ i think the Reed 2C is a step up and it has that "old school" look to it.
All: I finally bought one of these little Craftsman Drill press vises that you can do angle drilling with. For about a 40 year old vise it almost looks like it was never used. i'll dust it off, grease it up and use it on one of my old benchtop drill presses.
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Yep, just like you said. I realized this when I picked it up by the handle and end of the slide and the static jaw slid and pinched the heck out of my finger
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Mark in Indiana
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Drives: Nice fine on that C-Man vise. I've had several drill vises and it seems that they are all damaged by holes drilled in them. I don't understand how.
I bought my little Enco 4" drill vise over 20 years ago. Never missed the workpiece with the drill.
I bought my little Enco 4" drill vise over 20 years ago. Never missed the workpiece with the drill.
Is there a specific type Corrosion-X you use? I'm placing an order this week with Zoro, and they carry it in red and green versions.
drivesitfar
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Mark: thanks for the good words and i'll try not to drill any arcs of shame in my clean vise or drill press.
Ex: some of the guys are using Fluid film too.
McB: i too would like to know which version of Corrosion X you use and where might be the best place to buy it. i have a lot of steel to keep from rusting.
#9: can you post up a few more pictures of your vise and show several of the quick release from the bottom too so we all might not lose a finger when we buy one of those vises?
Ex: some of the guys are using Fluid film too.
McB: i too would like to know which version of Corrosion X you use and where might be the best place to buy it. i have a lot of steel to keep from rusting.
#9: can you post up a few more pictures of your vise and show several of the quick release from the bottom too so we all might not lose a finger when we buy one of those vises?
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I have just found a Reed 204 R vise in excellent condition, can anyone help with dating it and placing a value , ? Thanks in advance David
zoomieport
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Without pictures...? No, sorry.
The OP started a separate thread as well:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=279383
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JeremyBurke
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Drives: that is a great little vise. I have been looking for one of those for a while as you know and can't find one close by for under $100. But I guess the searching is half the fun.
zoomieport
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Thanks, I'll check it out.
Flowers and dinner, maybe a movie, can work for dating.
HAHA!
taumac
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What's the difference between this Reed 204R
My my Reed 204
I thought the "R" stood for rotating.
Have a good one Gerard
My my Reed 204
I thought the "R" stood for rotating.
Have a good one Gerard