let's see your craftsman block grinders

torqueman2002 · Mar 24, 2016

NJ Marty said:
Can anyone make out the HP of the grinder in pics #53 &55? my eyes are not that good and the pictures ****. I plan on hitting the sale and hoping its at least a 1/2 HP. Pictures are prob to bad for positive ID.
Thanks

https://www.estatesales.net/NJ/Totowa/07512/1143900

The best I can venture is it is a pre-Block.

Probably a 1/4-HP, due to apparent lack of side covers and thickness of the stones.

I'm really guessing, because the badge/label format is different than the three 1/4-HP m-115.xxxx and three 1/3-HP m-115.xxxx grinders I've seen.

I do think it is like the following Canadian Sears grinders, that I've seen on the infernal-wwweb.

0.25%20HP%20115.19500%20GJ%20Sam_7415.jpg

torqueman2002 · Mar 24, 2016

Pupuhd said:
CM BLOCK GRINDER BADGES

Anyone who has been following my Machine Name Plate Tag Reproduction: thread(http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=323165), well all five 397.19580 INDUSTRIAL RATED badges have sold and mostly shipped. S4cruiser just took delivery of the first so bug him to post the results. With that said this week I'll be ordering two additional badge models requested here by others.

First is model 397.19580 non INDUSTRIAL RATED. I will have six made, however three are already sold. The finish on these will be as the INDUSTRIAL RATED ones, "shear matte/satin" with the brush aluminum showing through.

Second is the gold background version, model 397.19670. These will be in a gloss finish to shine up the gold background. No exposed aluminum on this one. Two out of the six are already sold.

In the near future I'll be reproducing model 397.19410 with the ON/OFF/BRAKE at bottom. Anyhow thanks for viewing and interest-David

Asking $12 each (includes 4 aluminum solid rivets) plus flat rate for any amount USPS First Class $2.60 with Tracking Number.

SPECS:
- .045 thick aluminum with brush finish. Same finish as original badges however thicker, clear background will show through as original
- 2-5/8" x 3-5/32" x .045"
- 1/8" mounting holes. Will need to be slightly enlarge to line up with CM grinder center steel band
- Image is infused into the aluminum and can be cleaned with household glass cleaner
- Four (4) aluminum solid rivets included

You can PM contact info (name & address). Personal check or Paypal.

Depending on interest here, I may/can make more lots available. Also looking for any request in lots to make available.

Great work David!

I'm in for the 1/3-HP m-397.19410 with E Brake. 4-labels please. :beer:

Pupuhd · Mar 24, 2016

vertguy said:
The art board is the starting backdrop, correct? If so, I did indeed make it exactly the same dimensions as the label as that is how I kept everything else to the right proportions. Also set the quality to max. So maybe it was just me thinking the results changed for the jpg. Think I found place online and took a chance as they had no min. Not the cheapest, but we shall see how they turn out. I used a png version as they not would accept the illustrator file.

Yes, the "backdrop" is called the Artboard in Illustrator. If as you stated you have your settings as stated, your jpg and any prints should have no quality loss. My source doesn't accept AI files either, jpg, ping ant TIFF only. I asked. Anyhow, good luck with your found online source. Would love to see your result.

vertguy · Mar 25, 2016

I will definitely post the labels when they arrive in a couple weeks.

If anyone is interested in a label file from this vintage, just let me know as I have another 3 weeks on the AI trial and I can easily modify my template for other s/n's and model variants. Right now I have a 3/4hp-397.19350 and 1/2hp-397.19340 files created, and they can be saved in png, jpg, or pdf formats.

CalsXS2 · Mar 25, 2016

vertguy said:
I will definitely post the labels when they arrive in a couple weeks.

If anyone is interested in a label file from this vintage, just let me know as I have another 3 weeks on the AI trial and I can easily modify my template for other s/n's and model variants. Right now I have a 3/4hp-397.19350 and 1/2hp-397.19340 files created, and they can be saved in png, jpg, or pdf formats.

Are you getting some made? Or just working on the file.

Can you make me one 3/4 397.19350 with serial number 818700322,,,,please,,,,lol.

vertguy · Mar 25, 2016

CalsXS2 said:
Are you getting some made? Or just working on the file.

Can you make me one 3/4 397.19350 with serial number 818700322,,,,please,,,,lol.

Offering up a file for you to print. Which format.. jpg, png or pdf

CalsXS2 · Mar 25, 2016

OK. I got the material to make the tool rests. I had to order an odd size end mill for the slots. So I'll be starting on this sometime next week.

I assume you could just use the main tool rest on the smaller grinders. Might be over kill since they will be 1/4" thick. But I guess something is better than nothing. :dunno:

I'm also going to make a few spark arrestors. This will be thicker than the originals also.

So let me know if there's anyone else interested. Thanks.

The first pic below is what they will look like. It's not my pic. This is what the guy over on owwm.org had made.

The last pic shows what an OEM heavy duty looks like on my small 1/2hp grinder/sander combo.

CalsXS2 · Mar 25, 2016

vertguy said:
Offering up a file for you to print. Which format.. jpg, png or pdf

I don't know really. What do most places want,,,lol.

Is there any way to save it as all three. :dunno:

vertguy · Mar 25, 2016

CalsXS2 said:
I don't know really. What do most places want,,,lol.

Is there any way to save it as all three.

JPG is probably the most widely accepted. PM your email and I will send it as I already modified the file. Here's what it will look like :thumbup:

CalsXS2 · Mar 25, 2016

Hope it's ok to put this here. I'm not selling it for profit. Just thought one of you guys might want to use it.

So anyway. I bought this really cool metal shade that I thought would fit inside the factory plastic shade. Well it won't. It's too big.

But you could use it by itself. It does not clamp on like the original. It just slides on. It's really tight, but it would work just fine with a little finese.

I would use it myself but I'm wanting something for a grinder I'm going to be selling. So I don't want to sell one with something that's not original.

I paid $20 for it. So if anyone can use it, I'll take $20 plus shipping. But let me know ASAP . I all ready started a return on ebay before I thought about one of you guys being able to use it.

torqueman2002 · Mar 26, 2016

Pupuhd has graciously agreed :rocker:

to let me place these images in DropBox.
link to "CM GRINDER TAG Pupuhd 1_1.zip":
https://www.dropbox.com/s/2trylejozl8yaom/CM%20GRINDER%20TAG%20Pupuhd%201_1.zip?dl=0

Note: Pupuhd can supply these badges if you choose.

Also, the DropBox link to them is in the '... What's the Fuss?' thread - in signature line.

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Pupuhd said:
CM BLOCK GRINDER BADGES

Anyone who has been following my Machine Name Plate Tag Reproduction: thread(http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=323165), well all five 397.19580 INDUSTRIAL RATED badges have sold and mostly shipped. S4cruiser just took delivery of the first so bug him to post the results. With that said this week I'll be ordering two additional badge models requested here by others.

First is model 397.19580 non INDUSTRIAL RATED. I will have six made, however three are already sold. The finish on these will be as the INDUSTRIAL RATED ones, "shear matte/satin" with the brush aluminum showing through.

Second is the gold background version, model 397.19670. These will be in a gloss finish to shine up the gold background. No exposed aluminum on this one.

SPECS:
- .045 thick aluminum with brush finish. Same finish as original badges however thicker, clear background will show through as original
- 2-5/8" x 3-5/32" x .045"
- 1/8" mounting holes. Will need to be slightly enlarge to line up with CM grinder center steel band
- Image is infused into the aluminum and can be cleaned with household glass cleaner

bczygan · Mar 26, 2016

The tag on the golden grinder that says "Klotski Shop", how was that tag made?

I ask because there was a machine called a Graphotype on CL.

Bill

drivesitfar · Mar 26, 2016

ALL: you've heard of a member of our Block thread that flies into a town on business and grabs a block and then flies out with it on the plane home? well I met him in person a couple nights ago because he didn't want to pay to ship the stand. he posted an add on Craigs and I was giving it my more than daily search for the 3/4 or 1HP block and his ad sounds like I need to meet this person.

we meet halfway (Thanks again BTW) at a gas station just off the main highway and had a nice chat and I almost forgot to pay him. did I NEED another stand probably not, but it was a great way to meet another fine member of this thread and of GJ.

Did I mention I LOVE GJ?? Well it goes without saying because I do and the block heads might be one of my favorite threads and group of guys.

HAPPY EASTER

cheers

04chase · Mar 27, 2016

Looks like April 26 ,1971.

Just found the stand on craigslist , seller said it was n.o.s. and looks great. Cool to see something 15 years older than I am look so new. Paid 75 bucks for the stand . Hopefully have some time later to get it all together .

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erty67 · Mar 27, 2016

You all have me wanting a stand now. Lol

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Ghost11 · Mar 27, 2016

1/3 hp. 397. Bought for 70 bucks. Its funny, i have a newer model craftsman 1/3hp as well and the block blows it away. No comparison.

Bogash · Mar 27, 2016

Ghost11 said:
1/3 hp. 397. Bought for 70 bucks. Its funny, i have a newer model craftsman 1/3hp as well and the block blows it away. No comparison.

I love my "new" block!

04chase · Mar 27, 2016

Just needs a nice light bulb and some feet on the pedastal, seems to like too wander a bit.

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Reversepolarity · Mar 28, 2016

Ghost11 · Mar 28, 2016

04chase , what is that table in background?

Bogash · Mar 28, 2016

Ghost11 said:
04chase , what is that table in background?

Looks like a garage build welding table to me. Pretty dang cool, too.

04chase · Mar 28, 2016

Bogash said:
Looks like a garage build welding table to me. Pretty dang cool, too.

Ghost11 said:
04chase , what is that table in background?

It's a 36"×42" block from weldtable.com, still have to make the 12"×36" add on wing and a few angles I bought with it.

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CalsXS2 · Mar 28, 2016

Anybody know what this is going to be.

nine4gmc · Mar 28, 2016

Nice!

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CalsXS2 · Mar 28, 2016

I know you guys may not care. But I just like doing this, and I like taking pictures,,,lol.

A little more progress. Not a finished product yet though.

Ridjobradi · Mar 29, 2016

Drives - It was good to meet up with you the other night. I was short on time and wasn't able to get the stand packed up and shipped. A good part about my job is the travel. A bad part about my job is also the travel.

I will hit you up the next time I am in Seattle to talk you out of a vise.

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Ridjobradi · Mar 29, 2016

CalsXS2 - good looking parts and a nice looking shop

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erty67 · Mar 29, 2016

JZiggy said:
Weiler

torqueman2002 said:
x2^.

Here's a thread on ww.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=275799&highlight=MSC-Wire-Wheels

I have used MSC for wire wheels.
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I bought the Weiler 02335. what did you guys use for an insert for the 1/2" arbor?

Outlawmws · Mar 29, 2016

erty67 said:
I bought the Weiler 02335. what did you guys use for an insert for the 1/2" arbor?

Look at the red spacers in this wheel below. they sell then separately and in different lengths in sets.

torqueman2002 · Mar 29, 2016

erty67 said:
I bought the Weiler 02335. what did you guys use for an insert for the 1/2" arbor?

Give these a look. Don't know if you can 'adjust' them to your need.
http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INPDFF?PMPAGE=224&PARTPG=INLMK32

Also, search Amazon for "Reducing Bushing Adapters".

erty67 · Mar 30, 2016

I gave this a try and it seems to do the trick

http://www.lowes.com/pd_137034-37672-880445___?productId=3012460&pl=1&Ntt=nylon+spacer#BVRRWidgetID

CalsXS2 · Mar 30, 2016

OK. The extra heavy duty tool rests are done. I think they turned out very well.

I made a major mistake by not letting my friend make these on the CNC machine. No. I wanted to do it myself on a manual mill. Big mistake,,,lol. I have a massive amount of hours in these. And his machine doesn't have a power feed. So all hand cranking on an old machine that was hard to turn. My arms are killing me,,,lol.

They are covered in machine oil to keep the machined surfaces from rusting. You will need to clean to paint if you wish.

First 3 pics are compared to original heavy duty's. But these are extra heavy duty. All made from 1/4" stock.

So anyway. If anyone wants any, let me know. I might have an extra set. :thumbup:

torqueman2002 · Mar 30, 2016

Cals,

Good deal! Thanks. I/M sent. :thumbup:

Zeeman · Mar 30, 2016

I should be getting my block grinder soon. Won it on fleabay, but hey, I was tired of waiting for one so I bid high. Pics to come in about 7-10 business days.

dngrmse · Mar 30, 2016

Looks like somebody is going to get a nice one. Here's a pic of block in what looks like an original, unopened box. Pic is from an upcoming estate sale outside my area.

Pupuhd · Mar 30, 2016

dngrmse said:
Looks like somebody is going to get a nice one. Here's a pic of block in what looks like an original, unopened box. Pic is from an upcoming estate sale outside my area.

In NJ?

Bogash · Mar 30, 2016

dngrmse said:
Looks like somebody is going to get a nice one. Here's a pic of block in what looks like an original, unopened box. Pic is from an upcoming estate sale outside my area.

Wow. That's cool!

dngrmse · Mar 31, 2016

Pupuhd said:
In NJ?

No, Long Island, NY

Pupuhd · Mar 31, 2016

CM BLOCK GRINDER BADGES

Here's an update on the badge reproduction and orders, you can follow my Machine Name Plate Tag Reproduction: thread(http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=323165) for actual details on how I do this.

Below I added the CM grinder badge model 397.19410 ON/OFF/BRAKE version. I have a lot of six however all six are sold, no thanks to Torqueman.....wait did I say that out load. :scared:

Well at least the majority of them.

From current inventory I have left:

three 397.19580 non-INDUSTRIAL RATED

four 397.19670 GOLD background

Btw, if you are interest in any badges that have sold out, I can run another batch if there's enough interest. Only way I can keep cost down for you guys if I do these in batches. Please email me at [email protected] or PM me in any interest or request.

Also, I have posted below other badges I have reproduced and have been ordered: BALDOR 8107 8" grinder, Magnetek Century 3/4hp electric motor, SEARS, ROEBUCK AND CO. machine tag, and currently working on a ROCKWELL 8" grinder, plus others completed already.

Craftsmen "block" 1/3hp grinder: 397.19410 ON/OFF/BRAKE

Craftsmen "block" 1/3hp grinder: 397.19580 non-INDUSTRIAL RATED

Craftsmen "block" 1/3hp grinder: 397.19670 GOLD background. Gloss finish to shine up the gold background. No exposed aluminum on this one.

Craftsmen "block" 1/3hp grinder: 397.19580 INDUSTRIAL RATED

Craftsman Block grinder badges $12 each (includes 4 aluminum solid rivets) plus flat rate for any amount USPS First Class $2.60 with Tracking Number.

SPECS:
- .045 thick aluminum with brush finish. Same finish as original badges however thicker, clear background will show through as original
- 2-5/8" x 3-5/32" x .045"
- 1/8" mounting holes. Will need to be slightly enlarge to line up with CM grinder center steel band
- Image is infused into the aluminum and can be cleaned with household glass cleaner
- Four (4) aluminum solid rivets included

BALDOR grinder model 8107WB, 8107W or blank fields

Magnetek Century 3/4hp electric motor

SEARS, ROEBUCK AND CO. machine tag. Blank field, possibility of including it stamped with your model number.

GE Tri-Clad electric motor

HEINRICH 4GM vise

AH (Arrow-Hart & Hegeman Elec. Co.) MANUAL MOTOR STARTER switch

ROCKWELL 8" grinder. Currently being reproduced, however this an image of it. Similar shape and style to all Rockwell badges of this vintage.

As always, thanks for viewing and interest. Email at [email protected] or PM me for any interest or request.

David

drivesitfar · Mar 31, 2016

PUP: nice work on the badges that is for certain. also the 1/3 block you restored is high up on the list of GRINDER **** and maybe the nicest 1/3 HP we've seen. BETTER THAN NEW in my opinion.

WELL DONE

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