Sweet Old Bill
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Miss Chris,
Seems that I might owe you a box of chocolate. Thanks for keeping your sense of humor!
Seems that I might owe you a box of chocolate. Thanks for keeping your sense of humor!
Above 1200 Sq/FT Restored 1930's Auto Shop
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Sweet Old Bill
Here's that last time Sweet Old Bill visited the shop with his brother and son(?) or nephew(?) I've forgotten now!
And yes, he did bring Miss Chris, (my one and only) a box of chocolates, hence, Sweet Old Bill!
BTW Bill, I don't know, if you've ever noticed that rather large Mobile oil can you kindly gifted me a few years back. At present I display it on the shelf over the Barn Bench. Squint hard and you can see it. I plan on rotating it into the old shop, with all the other vintage oil cans.
Thomas
Here's that last time Sweet Old Bill visited the shop with his brother and son(?) or nephew(?) I've forgotten now!
And yes, he did bring Miss Chris, (my one and only) a box of chocolates, hence, Sweet Old Bill!
BTW Bill, I don't know, if you've ever noticed that rather large Mobile oil can you kindly gifted me a few years back. At present I display it on the shelf over the Barn Bench. Squint hard and you can see it. I plan on rotating it into the old shop, with all the other vintage oil cans.
Thomas
9C1
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Re: Sweet Old Bill
Alright Thomas. Don't tease me. What is the C3 story? Are you expanding your fleet?
Terry
Here's that last time Sweet Old Bill visited the shop with his brother and son(?) or nephew(?) I've forgotten now!
BTW Bill, I don't know, if you've ever noticed that rather large Mobile oil can you kindly gifted me a few years back. At present I display it on the shelf over the Barn Bench. Squint hard and you can see it. I plan on rotating it into the old shop, with all the other vintage oil cans.
Thomas
Alright Thomas. Don't tease me. What is the C3 story? Are you expanding your fleet?
Terry
bulletpruf
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Considering the Rotary Lift was mentioned a few posts up, I thought it appropriate to post these two pics:
At a local fitment centre here in Cape Town:
Excuse the quality of the potato camera on my Samsung...
In the bottom right corner you can see the bonnet (or hood, as you guys refer to it
Better shot, closer up:
Rotary Lifts are seldom seen here as there are a number of local companies building similar units, so seeing an imported one is a rarity.
Incidentally, this particular shop also takes major pride in the cleanliness of their shop. A refreshing change, as most of those types of places around us here are quite grimy.
Thanks frikkie for the Rotary Lift pictures in South Africa. Cool to see the inside of a shop in that part of the world. Looks like a well run business. From my personal experience with the 1928 manufactured lift in the old shop to my new one in the barn, they are arguably the best in the world.
Thomas
Hi there Aaron and thanks for your kind words about the shop. Also many thanks for the Slat Valley Museum information. I knew about the connection between the Navy and Whitehall (who would have guessed!) from my son-in-law but didn't realize there was an actual slat museum nearby. If I can work in a visit I will do so. May have to extend my time out there!
Thomas
Hello there Thomas
I write that like a lost long friend as after travelling 466 pages over the last week and a half that is how I feel.
I have thoroughly enjoyed everything I have read, keep up the great work. I now look forward to watching the new house come together in real time.
I was hoping that you may have come across some as yet unclaimed Indian parts, but that was obviously not the case
While a relative newcomer to this thread I was hoping I may be able to get slipped into the "Beltsville Shell" roster. I am near Brisbane, Qld, Australia so without looking like I am trying to push in I would fit in well after BBChevro, going from him to me might not even need a postman
Cheers
Steve
Hello Steve and a warm welcome to our circle of friends. Here we are, over 6 years later and 466 pages into my misadventures in the Center Of The Universe! The house project will be very rewarding on many levels and sharing it's creation with everyone here should be fun. I'm going to give it my "A" game and we'll see how it turns out.
As for Beltsville Shell, I know all fellows from Australia are gentlemen of the first rank. I'm good with whatever you wish to work out among yourselves and I'm confident William in New Zealand is understanding about waiting for everyone to finish on the Continent before it leaves, thus avoiding needless ocean crossings. Why don't you send Gatsby in Canberra a Private Message and get his OK and then let me know.
Presently DRRummel in Maryland has BS 1.0. Then it goes to bluestripe67, also in Maryland. Dennis will return it to me and I'll get it ready for the voyage to Lyndon. I'll also see if Terry, aka 9C1 can sign it before it sails off down under.
As I mentioned, author Cary Thomas is very intrigued with what we're doing with his book. This is from a couple of weeks ago when we got together at his home. In front of us are the last remaining copies...
... of Beltsville Shell, You Are What You Drive from the 2nd printing. He's unsure if there will be a 3rd printing. Work continues on the movie screenplay and I'm not at liberty to discuss it much but it is in the works.
And speaking of "You Are What You Drive"...
...this is Cary's latest ride. It is a 1962 Fox Mak-Kart just exactly like the one Cary ordered and bought new in 1962 as a teen.
List price with all options in 1962 was $354.00.
It's completely restored...
...and is a work of art.
The engine is a new, never run, vintage McCullogh MC 30 engine...
...mounted on a swing engine mount.
Cary is presently restoring another Fox Kart like this one. It'll have 2 West Bend 820 engines...
... like the West Bend on my old Swoopser Kart had.
Interestingly enough, Fox Karts were manufactured in Janesville, Wisconsin, which is where my Dad was born and raised. The vortex strikes again!
Thomas
C_F
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Wow, that's a great looking restoration on that kart!
I assume that due to the lack of an air cleaner, they didn't use one? I bet with that megaphone exhaust, that this little ****** is a LOUD one!
I assume that due to the lack of an air cleaner, they didn't use one? I bet with that megaphone exhaust, that this little ****** is a LOUD one!
Lyndon
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As for Beltsville Shell, I know all fellows from Australia are gentlemen of the first rank.
Presently DRRummel in Maryland has BS 1.0. Then it goes to bluestripe67, also in Maryland. Dennis will return it to me and I'll get it ready for the voyage to Lyndon. I'll also see if Terry, aka 9C1 can sign it before it sails off down under.
Thomas
Thomas
Don't let it get around that there are any "Gentlemen" Down Here. It'll ruin us.........
You know we're all descendant from convicts don't you? (Well some of us - don't go there girlfriend). 
Lyndon
Waiting patiently in the corner.
1/2 Cup
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Thomas
Don't let it get around that there are any "Gentlemen" Down Here. It'll ruin us.........
Lyndon
Waiting patiently in the corner.
As above Lyndon
PS my fore father was a free settler.
Regards
Lyndon
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Steve
One of mine - well, - wasn't ....... apparently.
Lyndon
Ssssshhh - or he'll hear you!
9C1
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Re: Sweet Old Bill
1973 was the rubber bumper in front and chrome in back. 1972 was rubber on both ends.
Terry
1973 was the rubber bumper in front and chrome in back. 1972 was rubber on both ends.
Terry
9C1
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Terry is patiently waiting. Just PM, email or call. I am up for a trip to the CotU anytime.
Terry
bulletpruf
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9C1
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Re: Sweet Old Bill
Typo. I hit the wrong key. Drat.
I guess that won't be on THE test.
Terry knew that, he was just testing you.
Thomas
Typo. I hit the wrong key. Drat.
I guess that won't be on THE test.
Homebody
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LOVE the kart!
Terry, I just got home from a quick dash out to the stone quarry in New York and back. 1,800 miles in 2 1/2 days.....solo. That's the kind of stuff Rick Soloway does.
I'll get with you shortly.Anyway I've got some quite interesting information...
... to share along with pictures on rock quarries and as a bonus...
...on the way home I stopped off to see what's involved to to change/replace very, very, very large reciprocating powdered natural gas compressors (that's the air intake above my head. The engine that powers the compressor is over 2 stories tall) and replace them with turbine powered compressors. Details to follow...........sleep comes first!
Thomas
PS, the drilling for the Geothermal wells is set for tomorrow. No rest for wicked
GeoThermal Well Drillers
Guess who showed up right on schedule...
Got everything all set up and ready to go. Thunderstorms with too much lighting in the area to do much drilling today, but the rig is in place waiting. Stand by.
Thomas
Guess who showed up right on schedule...
Got everything all set up and ready to go. Thunderstorms with too much lighting in the area to do much drilling today, but the rig is in place waiting. Stand by.
Thomas
MG David
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Thomas, I would fail the "test". Am I correct in thinking you are using ground source heat for your new house. I assume that is what they are drilling for rather than cast insitu piles.
red
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That's a fair question MG David.
The black piping...
...is the piping for the geothermal fluid.
Very simply it's an enclosed system. The piping goes down the well 150' (45 m) and loops back up. All the wells (there are 10 wells) are connected together to a central manifold and the manifold pipe goes to the house. At depths below approximately 4', the earth is a constant 50º to 55º F (10º - 13º C) year around. The fluid moving in the pipe either absorbs heat from the earth in the winter or gives off heat in the summer making it a sort of dual system. There will be more details once the installation is underway.
I predict red is going to ace the test!
Thomas
Boosted1
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You're a busy man Thomas.
Homebody
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They just installed that system 2 years ago at the middle school in our village. Works quite well I hear!
Capt Chrysler
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Hey Thomas, good choice on the pipe. I just happen to know the fellow that runs the manufacturing line.
Capt. Chrysler
Capt. Chrysler
MacTexas
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"There will be more details once the installation is underway."
I would be interested in the cost benefit analysis and the ROI of the geothermal wells.
I would be interested in the cost benefit analysis and the ROI of the geothermal wells.
red
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I predict red is going to ace the test!
Thomas[/QUOTE]
Thanks Thomas,
been following for a very long time, not as confident as you are though in acing any test.
I'm amazed at what you've accomplished. Thanks for sharing!
And can't wait for the ground to dry out enough for building to start.
Thomas[/QUOTE]
Thanks Thomas,
been following for a very long time, not as confident as you are though in acing any test.
I'm amazed at what you've accomplished. Thanks for sharing!
And can't wait for the ground to dry out enough for building to start.
And So It Begins........
Here's what I've been up to lately.
The geothermal wells...
... are all installed...
... and the manifold...
...tying them all together ...
...has been connected, finished and buried. The ground geothermal part of the project is all done.
The basement/foundation footing tile drain tile work...
...will proceed shortly.
The house foundation was formally laid out this morning in weather that was partially freezing drizzle with 30 mph winds.
The surveying equipment, a Trimble 5000 series, http://www.trimble.com/Survey/Total-Stations.aspx was used for that lay out. It has an accuracy of .003 ft (1 mm). The house is going to have a square foundation!
Everything is now in place to start excavation anytime next week. More detail pictures to follow. Thanks everyone.
Thomas
Here's what I've been up to lately.
The geothermal wells...
... are all installed...
... and the manifold...
...tying them all together ...
...has been connected, finished and buried. The ground geothermal part of the project is all done.
The basement/foundation footing tile drain tile work...
...will proceed shortly.
The house foundation was formally laid out this morning in weather that was partially freezing drizzle with 30 mph winds.
The surveying equipment, a Trimble 5000 series, http://www.trimble.com/Survey/Total-Stations.aspx was used for that lay out. It has an accuracy of .003 ft (1 mm). The house is going to have a square foundation!
Everything is now in place to start excavation anytime next week. More detail pictures to follow.
Thanks everyone.Thomas
Adirondack Natural Stone - ANS - Part I
My trip to the stone quarry in Whitehall, New York, Adirondack Natural Stone - ANS: http://adirondacknaturalstone.com/ was without a doubt worth the effort.
To reach the quarry at about 08:00 in the morning meant I needed to leave Philo at 15:00 the afternoon before. Driving all night had me arriving just about right on schedule a little after 08:00 the next morning. The only down side was it was dark for a lot of the scenic part of the drive.
ANS is a family owned and operated business, brother, sister and son are all active running the operation.
André Hadorn, seen above, is celebrating his 20th year as owner and operator of ANS. His sister, Karen operates the office and son, André Jr works in the quarry or wherever he is needed.
André Sr generously spent several hours with me, showing all the various different quarries, plus his stone cutting/processing operation back at the yard.
Each quarry section produces a distinct color of stone even though the quarries are part of the same Adirondack mountain. Here you can see different colors in this vein.
This gives you a little idea of the variety of color found in the various quarries. Among the color range I saw were reds, pinks, cranberry, purples, yellows and various shades of grey. There are more, all of it granite.
Water travels through cracks in the mountain rock bed and when it pools in an area André wants to work...
..they have to pump the water out of the way using portable pumps like this.
To loosen the stone up for removal they drill holes through the rock to place explosive charges. The arrows are pointing to places that had been previously drilled. Then all the explosive charges are set off at the same time to fracture the rock loose from the face of the seam.
Here's a look at the top of a drill hole (yellow arrow) and the detonator wires left after the charge had been exploded deep in the hole. They use about 11% dynamite to fracture the rock as seen by the red arrows. The idea is to fracture the rock and keep it in large pieces, not pulverize into small gravel.
If the rock fractures into too large a piece for easy handling, it is further split into smaller pieces right in the quarry. Holes are drilled...
...using a portable Ingersoll Rand air compressor...
...powering this drill.
The wedges are driven into the drilled holes to put pressure into the rock.
These are the wedges and shims...
...that are driven by hand into the drilled holes.
With the wedges putting pressure on the rock, a chisel is driven into the rock to split it apart.
The center of the pneumatic drill/chisel bit is made of carbide. That's the dark area seen right in the center. I took several pictures of the bit and this was the best I could get. Sorry about that. The bits have to be sharpened back in the shop...
...so they bring a bucket full of bits out to the job site.
With the rock broken down into a manageable size, here André Jr is loading it...
...into a truck where it's taken to the yard for processing. This truck is capable of hauling 35 tons (31751.5 kg) of rock.
We then headed back down the mountain to the yard to see how it's processed. That will be Part II. Please check back here it's pretty cool stuff.
Thomas
My trip to the stone quarry in Whitehall, New York, Adirondack Natural Stone - ANS: http://adirondacknaturalstone.com/ was without a doubt worth the effort.
To reach the quarry at about 08:00 in the morning meant I needed to leave Philo at 15:00 the afternoon before. Driving all night had me arriving just about right on schedule a little after 08:00 the next morning. The only down side was it was dark for a lot of the scenic part of the drive.
ANS is a family owned and operated business, brother, sister and son are all active running the operation.
André Hadorn, seen above, is celebrating his 20th year as owner and operator of ANS. His sister, Karen operates the office and son, André Jr works in the quarry or wherever he is needed.
André Sr generously spent several hours with me, showing all the various different quarries, plus his stone cutting/processing operation back at the yard.
Each quarry section produces a distinct color of stone even though the quarries are part of the same Adirondack mountain. Here you can see different colors in this vein.
This gives you a little idea of the variety of color found in the various quarries. Among the color range I saw were reds, pinks, cranberry, purples, yellows and various shades of grey. There are more, all of it granite.
Water travels through cracks in the mountain rock bed and when it pools in an area André wants to work...
..they have to pump the water out of the way using portable pumps like this.
To loosen the stone up for removal they drill holes through the rock to place explosive charges. The arrows are pointing to places that had been previously drilled. Then all the explosive charges are set off at the same time to fracture the rock loose from the face of the seam.
Here's a look at the top of a drill hole (yellow arrow) and the detonator wires left after the charge had been exploded deep in the hole. They use about 11% dynamite to fracture the rock as seen by the red arrows. The idea is to fracture the rock and keep it in large pieces, not pulverize into small gravel.
If the rock fractures into too large a piece for easy handling, it is further split into smaller pieces right in the quarry. Holes are drilled...
...using a portable Ingersoll Rand air compressor...
...powering this drill.
The wedges are driven into the drilled holes to put pressure into the rock.
These are the wedges and shims...
...that are driven by hand into the drilled holes.
With the wedges putting pressure on the rock, a chisel is driven into the rock to split it apart.
The center of the pneumatic drill/chisel bit is made of carbide. That's the dark area seen right in the center. I took several pictures of the bit and this was the best I could get. Sorry about that. The bits have to be sharpened back in the shop...
...so they bring a bucket full of bits out to the job site.
With the rock broken down into a manageable size, here André Jr is loading it...
...into a truck where it's taken to the yard for processing. This truck is capable of hauling 35 tons (31751.5 kg) of rock.
We then headed back down the mountain to the yard to see how it's processed. That will be Part II. Please check back here it's pretty cool stuff.
Thomas
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That's nice to know Capt Chrysler, thanks. My understanding is that pipe, Centennial Plastics http://www.centennialplastics.com/ is considered the best in the business and has been around for a long time. They are headquartered in Nebraska.
Thomas
dpljmurphy
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Will do for sure!
BTW, used your vertical lumber storage technique to get a temporary hold on all of the construction lumber i have in the shop: thanks for that!
Homebody
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Looks like a GREAT week for foundation work!
Re: Adirondack Natural Stone - ANS - Part I
Thomas, I think that you and Andre need to have a discussion about the mysterious wonders of the powder-coat!
(JK, thanks for the great story. This is fascinating stuff!)
Thomas, I think that you and Andre need to have a discussion about the mysterious wonders of the powder-coat!
(JK, thanks for the great story. This is fascinating stuff!)
That's great to hear it helped out dpljmurphy. That vertical rack works for me and I was pretty sure it would work for others. Thanks for letting me know.
Thomas
150ron I see your fairly new to the the Journal so welcome. This thread seems to have taken on a life of it's own but it's been really a lot of fun for Chris and myself. We have some truly great friends here. I'm a little concerned about how large it's gotten. That has to be a little daunting for new folks trying to wade through everything. At least there are some cool pictures even if you don't want to read everything.
Thomas
Looks like a GREAT week for foundation work!
You noticed that too! The excavators have one project in front of me but I fully expect to see them any day now, maybe even tomorrow! The dirt should be churning out back shortly! When you drive down for your visit to the shop, with luck it'll be all torn up around here!
Thomas
Re: Adirondack Natural Stone - ANS - Part I
Mike that gave me a great laugh, thanks. I promise I will past that suggestion on to André.
Here's another view to give you an idea of the size of that truck. Note André Jr walking away from it. The tires are about up to the top of my head. That would be a bunch of powder coating......but think how cool it would look!
Thomas
Mike that gave me a great laugh, thanks.
I promise I will past that suggestion on to André. Here's another view to give you an idea of the size of that truck. Note André Jr walking away from it. The tires are about up to the top of my head. That would be a bunch of powder coating......but think how cool it would look!
Thomas
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Adirondack Natural Stone - ANS - Part II
For anyone new dropping by this thread, you might wonder what a rock quarry in New York has to do with a Restored 1930's Auto Shop in central Illinois.........well you'll just have to read the back story in this thread to find out.
PART II
A quarry just removes random rock from seams in the mountain. Once rock and stone is brought down the mountain in most cases it needs to be processed by the yard to make it more useable. It's quarried in random sizes and colors so André's crew takes the raw stone and depending on what's been ordered, they make it more user friendly.
One way the stone is processed is splitting it to size. You can see the operator on the right, maneuvering the stone into position using the hydraulic claw in the center. He can also control the twin track conveyor which helps him spin the stone around.
Using the claw and the twin track conveyor, one man can spin and maneuver a heavy stone into just about any position he wants, easily and quickly under the splitting blade.
The machines that split the stone have a central, pivoting blade. The "teeth" on the blade are individual and adjust to the irregularities on the stone so as to apply even pressure across the stone.
This splitter is capable of exerting 350 tons (317 mg) of pressure and can easily split large granite rock.
Once it's split it might be re-split and then it's sorted...
...by shape...
..or by color or...
...by size. You can see how skillful the operator is, this was all split by eye, no jigs of any sort were used to size the stone.
This is a slightly larger splitter for larger stone...
And this bad boy is the largest splitter they have. It's approximately 20' (6 m) tall...
... it uses this rig just to cool the hydraulic fluid.
Most of those lines seen on the right are hydraulic lines.
Note: like all the other splitters, it has a central pivot point on the blade, individual teeth on the blade to apply even pressure and twin hydraulic rams capable of 550 tons (498 mg) of pressure. It's used on very, very large rock. In person it's a massive machine.
It only needs a single person to operate it since...
... it has a hydraulic claw as well as a twin track feed conveyor, making it very productive. All these splitters are manufactured by Steinex: http://www.steinex.com/index.php/en/seinex-values made in Northern Italy. André tells me they have been very trouble free and he finds they are quite robust. He's so happy with their performance he's now a distributor for Steinex.
There are several Steinex splitters of various sizes throughout the yard, these are just a few.
That's the splitting section of the yard, next time in PART III, I'll post about the various stone cutting operations.
There's more to processing stone than you might think. Thanks everyone.
Thomas
For anyone new dropping by this thread, you might wonder what a rock quarry in New York has to do with a Restored 1930's Auto Shop in central Illinois.........well you'll just have to read the back story in this thread to find out.
PART II
A quarry just removes random rock from seams in the mountain. Once rock and stone is brought down the mountain in most cases it needs to be processed by the yard to make it more useable. It's quarried in random sizes and colors so André's crew takes the raw stone and depending on what's been ordered, they make it more user friendly.
One way the stone is processed is splitting it to size. You can see the operator on the right, maneuvering the stone into position using the hydraulic claw in the center. He can also control the twin track conveyor which helps him spin the stone around.
Using the claw and the twin track conveyor, one man can spin and maneuver a heavy stone into just about any position he wants, easily and quickly under the splitting blade.
The machines that split the stone have a central, pivoting blade. The "teeth" on the blade are individual and adjust to the irregularities on the stone so as to apply even pressure across the stone.
This splitter is capable of exerting 350 tons (317 mg) of pressure and can easily split large granite rock.
Once it's split it might be re-split and then it's sorted...
...by shape...
..or by color or...
...by size. You can see how skillful the operator is, this was all split by eye, no jigs of any sort were used to size the stone.
This is a slightly larger splitter for larger stone...
And this bad boy is the largest splitter they have. It's approximately 20' (6 m) tall...
... it uses this rig just to cool the hydraulic fluid.
Most of those lines seen on the right are hydraulic lines.
Note: like all the other splitters, it has a central pivot point on the blade, individual teeth on the blade to apply even pressure and twin hydraulic rams capable of 550 tons (498 mg) of pressure. It's used on very, very large rock. In person it's a massive machine.
It only needs a single person to operate it since...
... it has a hydraulic claw as well as a twin track feed conveyor, making it very productive. All these splitters are manufactured by Steinex: http://www.steinex.com/index.php/en/seinex-values made in Northern Italy. André tells me they have been very trouble free and he finds they are quite robust. He's so happy with their performance he's now a distributor for Steinex.
There are several Steinex splitters of various sizes throughout the yard, these are just a few.
That's the splitting section of the yard, next time in PART III, I'll post about the various stone cutting operations.
There's more to processing stone than you might think. Thanks everyone.
Thomas
BBChevro
Well-known member
Hey Thomas, just letting you know that I'm still following (I noticed that I haven't commented on here for about a month) - I'm just a bit "time-poor" at present (and I'm a very slow typist!).
The rock quarries, the geo-thermal heating thingy (notice that I used the technical term there), etc., etc. - it's all great viewing.
Edit - I just noticed the time in your neck of the woods, I think it's time that you went to bed young man.
The rock quarries, the geo-thermal heating thingy (notice that I used the technical term there), etc., etc. - it's all great viewing.
Edit - I just noticed the time in your neck of the woods, I think it's time that you went to bed young man.
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