drivesitfar
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ALL: my Craftsman table saw with Long C 1HP motor and heritage badge. or maybe this one doesn't qualify as a LONG C? i'll delete if it's too new for this thread if asked to.
Show your "Long C" Craftsman!
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Farmall450
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If anyone wants a 9/16" long C to complete a set or whatever you may have PM me.
drivesitfar
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ALL: i used to own this old Craftsman toolbox, but since i have another one that is in original condition on a nice little rolling cart i sold this to a local collector. the one i own is the deeper blue color and here's a bad picture of it after showing you the bright blue one.
i had a few of these pictures on my laptop and i don't think i ever owned the Craftsman wood vise that i think is still another member's, but i loved the old receipt.
cheers everybody and happy holidays
i had a few of these pictures on my laptop and i don't think i ever owned the Craftsman wood vise that i think is still another member's, but i loved the old receipt.
cheers everybody and happy holidays
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twertsy
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?? That's an S-K set.
drivesitfar
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Twertsy: i had it under Craftsman in my pictures so i can delete post #204 if it's SK. or maybe the box is SK and the tools are Craftsman? i can't recall where that is at the moment, but i'll get better pictures of it when i locate it.
twertsy
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All the tools I can see in those pics are S-K. I must admit, I thought you found a unicorn!
drivesitfar
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Twertsy: I'll keep the post for now and Edit it later if it is SK or get you more pictures cause i might have a thing or two hanging around that even you haven't seen.
thanks for keeping me (us) informed and on my (our) toes.
MERRY CHRISTMAS!!
thanks for keeping me (us) informed and on my (our) toes.
MERRY CHRISTMAS!!
A E Numan
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drives: Thank you for pulling those pictures out of you'r old laptop! I have been looking forward to seeing some of your stash of Craftsman tools. How about some more when you have the time?
Thanks drives! That is a big help. Now I just gotta find the perfect shade of "vintage craftsman blue" paint.
drivesitfar
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AE: anytime and i'll try to find time to find and take pictures of more of my Long C craftsman things i've found over the last several years.
NotLob: in case you might like having this light attached that i saw on another restored Long C grinder here's a few pictures. i can't say if it was a stock item, but i sure liked it and saved the picture, but i didn't buy it cause the guy wanted more than my fun funds would allow at the time and in case you didn't know i probably own more grinders already than some commercial businesses.
good luck
NotLob: in case you might like having this light attached that i saw on another restored Long C grinder here's a few pictures. i can't say if it was a stock item, but i sure liked it and saved the picture, but i didn't buy it cause the guy wanted more than my fun funds would allow at the time and in case you didn't know i probably own more grinders already than some commercial businesses.
good luck
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My recently completed set of Combos. I bit of a franken-set but im cool because I am not as much a collector as I am a user. I am definitely interested in the history and the variances etc. One wrench is vanadium, most are Ci, one N4, another AF, one with owner engravings, and the one most interesting looks like the Forged in USA is handwritten (even looks like one letter was gone over an extra time)! I have seen this before but never thought to ask. Any ideas about this?
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twertsy
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My recently completed set of Combos. I bit of a franken-set but im cool because I am not as much a collector as I am a user. I am definitely interested in the history and the variances etc. One wrench is vanadium, most are Ci, one N4, another AF, one with owner engravings, and the one most interesting looks like the Forged in USA is handwritten (even looks like one letter was gone over an extra time)! I have seen this before but never thought to ask. Any ideas about this?
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That hand engraved wrench is cool!
Private Lugnutz
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I am skeptical of it being factory, if that's what you mean. I see that you say you've seen it before (I haven't!), but I am still skeptical of it being factory. If it was discovered before it left the factory, I think they would’ve run it back through the line. Completing a factory marking takes owner’s marks to a whole ‘nother level, but my guess would be owners with wrenches that made it through QC un-stamped, a bugaboo about consistency, an electric pencil, and too much free time on their hands. Is it plated or natural steel finish? Hard to tell in that photo. If it’s an un-plated “CI” wrench it’s very likely wartime. Maybe Private Lugnutz was practicing with his newly issued toy! (Edit: See thumbnail for 1941 Army Motors article on transformer powered arc pencils!)
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AdrianBoomer
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un-plated steel. Actually, come to think of it, I think where I saw it was in a catalog. i will try to find it, but I think you are probably right.
Private Lugnutz
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Are you thinking of the 1942 catalog? It has mark-ups in it, but I am pretty sure those are artist's mark-ups of older stock photos, not photos of tools marked by hand.
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I just found this Long C Craftsman (H) set at the flea market this morning.
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As you can see, the metal attache style case with the leather handle has the Heritage decal embossed and painted on the lid. Ratchet (non-reversible, with push-pull plug), speeder, two extensions and nine (9) sockets are all marked with the Long C logo and the (H) code marking, all chrome plated. Missing a bunch of sockets, obviously (more on that below). Also missing the hinge handle and probably a sliding tee, at least.
There are a few ironies with finding this set...
Irony #1 is that the cross-bar for the hinge handle is still in the case, but the hinge handle is missing. Usually that's the other way around! Even stranger when you consider that the hinge handle is the only piece New Britain ever cross-drilled for its own sets or the Craftsman BE and (H) sets. So the cross-bar, typically missing, is actually useless right now.
Irony #2 is that I recently sent a very nice Long C Craftsman (H) sliding tee to a GJ newbie a few months ago - for postage! ('Why yes, grandpa, my **** does hurt from kicking myself... and yes, grandma, I do know that my reward will be greater in Heaven, but I'd really like to have that danged sliding tee back now!)
Anyway, these are not rare, I've had at least two or three partial BE and (H) sets, all moved on to others now, I don't want to ugly up a thread with photos of a set that I haven't even cleaned yet, especially when it's redundant - JM Langford already posted a very nice (H) set upthread linked here, and Rileysan did the same with a nice (H) set linked here, so I won’t take up too much more space on it.
I am wondering about two things though...
Regarding the contents:
I can’t find anything exactly like this set in the 1942 or 1948 catalogs. I suspect it was a combination set. But what? 1/2 and 3/8? That's a mighty loooong back socket tray, for one thing. And then there's a second shorter socket tray, but it's too big (wide) for 3/8 drive sockets. Also, with the speeder up in its holder under the lid, there is a lot of open space in that main compartment. I plan to look into this more myself, but I welcome any thoughts and comments.
Regarding the finish:
As you guys can see, it went sour. That's not rust. It has that weird coppery-yellowy tinge that I sometimes see on some vintage tools. The sockets are even worse. It reminds me of the shanks of screwdrivers intentionally dipped in varnish, which was a preservative practice in the same era. Were these exposed to something? Will plating 'turn bad' like that? Anybody else note this kind of discoloration with this era (late 1940's) Craftsman in particular?
EDIT: Actually, I just might post more photos later. The ratchet has some forged-in markings ("1-8" and "11-45") that I am not familiar with. The latter looking an awful lot like a date code to me.
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As you can see, the metal attache style case with the leather handle has the Heritage decal embossed and painted on the lid. Ratchet (non-reversible, with push-pull plug), speeder, two extensions and nine (9) sockets are all marked with the Long C logo and the (H) code marking, all chrome plated. Missing a bunch of sockets, obviously (more on that below). Also missing the hinge handle and probably a sliding tee, at least.
There are a few ironies with finding this set...
Irony #1 is that the cross-bar for the hinge handle is still in the case, but the hinge handle is missing. Usually that's the other way around! Even stranger when you consider that the hinge handle is the only piece New Britain ever cross-drilled for its own sets or the Craftsman BE and (H) sets. So the cross-bar, typically missing, is actually useless right now.
Irony #2 is that I recently sent a very nice Long C Craftsman (H) sliding tee to a GJ newbie a few months ago - for postage! ('Why yes, grandpa, my **** does hurt from kicking myself... and yes, grandma, I do know that my reward will be greater in Heaven, but I'd really like to have that danged sliding tee back now!)
Anyway, these are not rare, I've had at least two or three partial BE and (H) sets, all moved on to others now, I don't want to ugly up a thread with photos of a set that I haven't even cleaned yet, especially when it's redundant - JM Langford already posted a very nice (H) set upthread linked here, and Rileysan did the same with a nice (H) set linked here, so I won’t take up too much more space on it.
I am wondering about two things though...
Regarding the contents:
I can’t find anything exactly like this set in the 1942 or 1948 catalogs. I suspect it was a combination set. But what? 1/2 and 3/8? That's a mighty loooong back socket tray, for one thing. And then there's a second shorter socket tray, but it's too big (wide) for 3/8 drive sockets. Also, with the speeder up in its holder under the lid, there is a lot of open space in that main compartment. I plan to look into this more myself, but I welcome any thoughts and comments.
Regarding the finish:
As you guys can see, it went sour. That's not rust. It has that weird coppery-yellowy tinge that I sometimes see on some vintage tools. The sockets are even worse. It reminds me of the shanks of screwdrivers intentionally dipped in varnish, which was a preservative practice in the same era. Were these exposed to something? Will plating 'turn bad' like that? Anybody else note this kind of discoloration with this era (late 1940's) Craftsman in particular?
EDIT: Actually, I just might post more photos later. The ratchet has some forged-in markings ("1-8" and "11-45") that I am not familiar with. The latter looking an awful lot like a date code to me.
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3baygarage
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Isn't that just a dried up coating of something? I always take that to be a good thing. Better than rust.
A beaker bar shouldn't be too hard to find.
A beaker bar shouldn't be too hard to find.
Private Lugnutz
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I now think it is, 3eeb. Edit: THANKS! Just like the shanks I mentioned. Which, when coupled with the "11-45" marking, has me cautiously excited. I'm not familiar with preserving socket set pieces like this, but it smacks of surplus repacks to me. Postwar, but interesting nonetheless.
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Rileysan
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Most of the 1/2" drive set I found a couple weeks ago had that same yellowish coating. It reminded me of dried oil. The nice part is that when I cleaned those tools up, they ahown like new!
I suspect it's light oil that was factory applied, and there's a good chance some of those have never been used!
Brian
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twertsy
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Nice set Greg. Let me know if you need the missing pieces, quite sure I have them loose.
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Smokeshow69
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I will post my long c craftsman stuff here later this weekend ! I have really been loving seeing everyone's great stuff they have especially Brian's roller and amber handled speed wrenches ! I also am really digging the mint condition rotary tool in its original box ! I just finished reading this thread again and liked it so much I want to read the crown top thread and heritage thread.. I searched them but my search zen ***** and I can't find them. Can someone post the links? For redirecting purposes only !
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drivesitfar
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Smoke and ALL:
SHOW YOUR CROWNTOP CRAFTSMAN TOOLS THREAD IS HERE:
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=199000&highlight=heritage+craftsman
SHOW YOUR HERITAGE CRAFTSMAN TOOLS THREAD IS HERE:
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=232878&highlight=heritage+craftsman
they were both over in General Tools and if NINES was posting at the moment maybe he'd move them over to VINTAGE TOOLS when he has a couple minutes.
SHOW YOUR CROWNTOP CRAFTSMAN TOOLS THREAD IS HERE:
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=199000&highlight=heritage+craftsman
SHOW YOUR HERITAGE CRAFTSMAN TOOLS THREAD IS HERE:
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=232878&highlight=heritage+craftsman
they were both over in General Tools and if NINES was posting at the moment maybe he'd move them over to VINTAGE TOOLS when he has a couple minutes.
tin medic
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Greg, that finish has been on every New Britain piece I have pulled from the surplus store to include some that were still wrapped with dates ranging from 49-53.
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Private Lugnutz:
just a note on your CM set above -
I've seen quite a few big sockets sets listed on Ebay that appeared to have monstrously oversize boxes, when in fact the sets were 100% complete.
Probably the best examples are the military-surplus "JS Technologies" sets that pop up now and then. (And of course I cannot find one listed now!)
Here's an old "JC Penney" set that's got enough empty space for a couple more sets, even though it appears to have plenty of sockets:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-JC-Penny-Socket-Set-with-Breaker-Bar-appears-unused-/192358917221
They're not all oddball brands, either. I see sets of "mainstream" tool brands (older stuff, of course) where the sizes of the boxes seem completely disproportionate to the contents.
(Unlike most of the older "S-K" sets, where it looks like you'd have to squeeze the ratchet to get it to fit into the box!)
just a note on your CM set above -
I've seen quite a few big sockets sets listed on Ebay that appeared to have monstrously oversize boxes, when in fact the sets were 100% complete.
Probably the best examples are the military-surplus "JS Technologies" sets that pop up now and then. (And of course I cannot find one listed now!)
Here's an old "JC Penney" set that's got enough empty space for a couple more sets, even though it appears to have plenty of sockets:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-JC-Penny-Socket-Set-with-Breaker-Bar-appears-unused-/192358917221
They're not all oddball brands, either. I see sets of "mainstream" tool brands (older stuff, of course) where the sizes of the boxes seem completely disproportionate to the contents.
(Unlike most of the older "S-K" sets, where it looks like you'd have to squeeze the ratchet to get it to fit into the box!)
Private Lugnutz
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Good to know, Brian.
Will do. I know I have a few orphans pieces and some orphan sockets, but they are likely natural steel.
Thanks. That's still my gut. I have a hard time understanding them being shipped from the factory and sold retail like that.
Thanks for the input, BK. I'm going to look closer at the catalogs, other collected sets, and play around with adding sockets to capacity and see if I can figure it out.
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Private Lugnutz
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Agreed, Outlaw, hence my references to preservative, and my and Tin Medic's allusion to surplus.
Aged BLO. Turns yellow and then amber with time. Surprisingly tough, it removes fairly easily with most solvents. I've seen it on on a large number of earlier vintage tools. I believe it was somewhat common here in the SF bay area to protect from the constantly damp and saltwater environs. The good news is your tools should be minty fresh under the coating.
Private Lugnutz
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Now that I've had more time and a better opportunity to inspect them, it is definitely a dried preservative, and the tools are definitely NOS. Not a burr. But, like tools coated in cosmolene, I am on a scale between hesitant and loathe to remove it until I have a better grasp on when and by whom it was applied. I am skeptical of it being done by an owner. And I am skeptical of it coming from the factory that way. And the forged-in "11-45" marking, almost certainly a date, continues to intrigue me.
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I absolutely agree those are NOS and that the coating was applied at the factory and not the owner. It seems too much of a coincidence that so many of us have found these tools with the same coating for them to be done by various owners. I do not, however, think it has anything to do with bulk/surplus tools. I think this was done for all retail socket sets as I have seen that coating on all drive sizes and always in retail kits.
Take a look at this 1/2" drive deep socket set I purchased this year. There are a couple sockets covered in the stuff!
As for whether to clean them or not - to each his own. I see no harm in leaving them as-is. But as the coating chips off, there is the potential for rust to form on those areas which are not protected. As such, I chose to clean and oil all of mine. My how they shine!
Brian
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Private Lugnutz
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A couple more comments...
- Note that the drive stud on the shorter extension is chamfered, while the drive stud on the longer extension is not.
- While these sockets are undoubtedly original to each other, not all the sizes are marked exactly the same. The 1-inch socket has the inch mark ("); none of the others do. The 13/16, 5/8, 1/2, and 7/16 are prefixed by a hyphen, none of the others are.
- Lastly, back on the subject of the contents... I am fairly certain that it held about fifteen (15) or sixteen (16) 1/2-inch drive sockets, from left to right, 7/16 to 1-1/16, in that back tray. Still not sure what sockets went in the shorter tray. It just seems overly big for 3/8-inch drive or 8-point 1/2-inch drive sockets, which were in the middle range for service openings. Unless the 8-pointers were intermingled by size in the back tray, pushing some of the larger 12-points into that other tray.
It'll be fun to sort this set out.
- Note that the drive stud on the shorter extension is chamfered, while the drive stud on the longer extension is not.
- While these sockets are undoubtedly original to each other, not all the sizes are marked exactly the same. The 1-inch socket has the inch mark ("); none of the others do. The 13/16, 5/8, 1/2, and 7/16 are prefixed by a hyphen, none of the others are.
- Lastly, back on the subject of the contents... I am fairly certain that it held about fifteen (15) or sixteen (16) 1/2-inch drive sockets, from left to right, 7/16 to 1-1/16, in that back tray. Still not sure what sockets went in the shorter tray. It just seems overly big for 3/8-inch drive or 8-point 1/2-inch drive sockets, which were in the middle range for service openings. Unless the 8-pointers were intermingled by size in the back tray, pushing some of the larger 12-points into that other tray.
It'll be fun to sort this set out.
Rileysan
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I do not have a single /32 drive size in my circle-H sets. However, I have seen them in the BE sets. I'm not saying they are exclusively BE, but I would be interested to learn if they exist in Circle-H.
Brian
Private Lugnutz
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Interesting, Brian. I've never seen it before. Granted, as primarily a collector of wartime tools from that era, I don't have a lot of experience with commercial sets.
Agreed, of course. I have always had the tendency to leave NOS stuff alone. But it's totally a matter of personal prerogative. The choice is not judgmental of other preferences.Rileysan said: