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Unfortunately ~20% of Craftsman sockets are malformed from the factory nowadays and it isn't unusual to find, say, two 12mm and no 13mm sockets in a set. I've also had to warranty brand new Craftsman ratcheting wrenches because the holes in the ratcheting ends were egg-shaped. Craftsman is below HF quality now :(
 

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I have the 43 pc wrench set and 270 piece socket set, no problems at all. Their extentions are awesome too. I wish this deal was available before I bought most of this stuff.
 

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I'm trying to help people save money, too. I pointed out specific problems with Craftsman's current hardline tools. That doesn't really rise to the level of "brand bashing". There are plenty of current and discontinued Craftsman tools that I own, and I look forward to buying new ones now that SBD is taking over.
 

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Really dude? I post this up here to try and help people save money - and the FIRST POST is gonna start brand bashing??

Don't think that's brand bashing just advising others to move forward with caution. My last craftsman ratchet also showed up unusable, do I hate craftsman? No, but I'd advice others to move forward with caution too.

I also think that's an insane amount of tools for the money and a great set, but you could PROBABLY put together a more practical set for less money with an equal number of usable pieces. They doubled up the screwdrivers and it looks like give you 12 point duplicates in all sizes? 1/4 Breaker bar? Allens in a setup like that seem terrible?
 

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Personally, I'd go for less pieces and higher quality. For $1600, you can set yourself up with a pretty comprehensive, higher quality set that should meet most needs of a non-professional mechanic. I wouldn't try for a huge number of tools until I had the basics covered with dependable tools that will definitely do the job. If you don't need that kind of dependable quality, you certainly don't need the quantity, and would be much better off buying the 300 piece set for a lot less money. What I think some of the detractors are trying to tell you is that the quality of this set may not meet your needs. Many of the guys that post here don't believe that the current Craftsman production meets anything but low end needs.

While the OP's intent might be to save you money on a deal, you would probably be better served by closely examining the quality of what you get, make sure it meets your needs, and then compare your needs to the smaller sets. If the quality and the smaller sets will meet your needs, you've saved even more. If the quality doesn't meet your needs, you've saved wasting your money. If the quality and the size matches your needs, then go for it.
 
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It probably includes the ultimate socket set.. nothing wrong with doubles.. nobody buys a 900 piece tool kit for a minimal set.. out of all my craftsman stuff - I have ONE "early" Chinese wrench, that doesn't have the "13" stamped on one side... that's the worst I can say about them..
 
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Goto work - listen to people constantly complain.. go on the forum - feel like I'm at still at work.. lol

I'll try my daily work speech here. "Listen guys - everything would go a lot quicker if everybody stopped complaining every 2 minutes."
 
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Same here. I'd trade that whole 903 piece set for a set of Snap-on wrenches in metric and SAE.

I'd be a bit more greedy than that, for $1600 I'd want a bit more.

I have much less than $1600 in my road box tools. I got all Snap-on for it, from a retired diesel mechanic. All 3 drive sizes of chrome 12 point shallow SAE sockets, 1/2" drive deep to 1 1/2" sockets, metric 1/4" and 3/8" shallow, 3 sizes ratchets, breaker bars, extensions, full set of SAE combinations, some metric combinations, SAE short and long DBE, SAE swivels in 3/8" drive, SAE flare wrenches, weatherhead set, hand impact driver and bits, chisel and punch set, hammer, puller, some special wrenches and a few miscellaneous things. I added another $500 or so to complete the metric sets, added deep 1/4" and 3/8" sockets, added a few screwdrivers and pliers.

That set took a few months to put together for that $1400 price, but I could put together a pretty good set of SK and Proto new if I shopped carefully for a few months for $1600.

I'm attaching pictures of my first $900 worth that I started my road box off with:
 

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Id try to piece together a higher quality set for the same price. Couldn’t bring myself to drop that kind of cash on Chinese cman
 

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Unfortunately ~20% of Craftsman sockets are malformed from the factory nowadays and it isn't unusual to find, say, two 12mm and no 13mm sockets in a set. I've also had to warranty brand new Craftsman ratcheting wrenches because the holes in the ratcheting ends were egg-shaped. Craftsman is below HF quality now :(

90% of statistics is made up on the spot.
 

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Don't think that's brand bashing just advising others to move forward with caution. My last craftsman ratchet also showed up unusable, do I hate craftsman? No, but I'd advice others to move forward with caution too.

I also think that's an insane amount of tools for the money and a great set, but you could PROBABLY put together a more practical set for less money with an equal number of usable pieces. They doubled up the screwdrivers and it looks like give you 12 point duplicates in all sizes? 1/4 Breaker bar? Allens in a setup like that seem terrible?

Was your last Craftsman ratchet the 84 tooth low profile or the old 32 tooth RP?

WTF is a 12pt duplicate? A 12 pt socket is a different tool used for different situations than a 6 pt socket. Maybe I am naive, but I thought everyone with a mechanics toolbox had/needed a full range of 1/4, 3/8 and 1/2 in 6pt and 12pt in both shallow and deep.
 
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Id try to piece together a higher quality set for the same price. Couldn’t bring myself to drop that kind of cash on Chinese cman

That's me too. I've been hitting pawn shops and ebay for decent deals on American made Craftsman wrenches as a back up set to my SK wrenches. The older American made Craftsman tools really are a great value.
 

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Personally, I'd go for less pieces and higher quality. For $1600, you can set yourself up with a pretty comprehensive, higher quality set that should meet most needs of a non-professional mechanic. I wouldn't try for a huge number of tools until I had the basics covered with dependable tools that will definitely do the job. If you don't need that kind of dependable quality, you certainly don't need the quantity, and would be much better off buying the 300 piece set for a lot less money. What I think some of the detractors are trying to tell you is that the quality of this set may not meet your needs. Many of the guys that post here don't believe that the current Craftsman production meets anything but low end needs.

While the OP's intent might be to save you money on a deal, you would probably be better served by closely examining the quality of what you get, make sure it meets your needs, and then compare your needs to the smaller sets. If the quality and the smaller sets will meet your needs, you've saved even more. If the quality doesn't meet your needs, you've saved wasting your money. If the quality and the size matches your needs, then go for it.

That tool set will outlive it's owner and their great grandchildren if not abused and will enable the owner to tackle nearly any automotive task they may encounter.

The "quality" argument is so played, especially when applied to hard line tools from mainstream manufactures. Even more so when used in association with products geared toward the home and diy mechanics.
 

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I'd be a bit more greedy than that, for $1600 I'd want a bit more.

I have much less than $1600 in my road box tools. I got all Snap-on for it, from a retired diesel mechanic. All 3 drive sizes of chrome 12 point shallow SAE sockets, 1/2" drive deep to 1 1/2" sockets, metric 1/4" and 3/8" shallow, 3 sizes ratchets, breaker bars, extensions, full set of SAE combinations, some metric combinations, SAE short and long DBE, SAE swivels in 3/8" drive, SAE flare wrenches, weatherhead set, hand impact driver and bits, chisel and punch set, hammer, puller, some special wrenches and a few miscellaneous things. I added another $500 or so to complete the metric sets, added deep 1/4" and 3/8" sockets, added a few screwdrivers and pliers.

That set took a few months to put together for that $1400 price, but I could put together a pretty good set of SK and Proto new if I shopped carefully for a few months for $1600.

I'm attaching pictures of my first $900 worth that I started my road box off with:

Obviously a 903 piece tool set is not really intended for "road boxes."
 
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Love the comparisons - look what I got instead for $1,000. - 8 wrenches, a handful of sockets and screwdrivers - eh- so what I'm missing the other 850 pieces - mine say snap on..
But wait ! There's more.. CHISELS , and a brake drum tool !! What a much better use of money for someone that wants 900 tools for like what $1.75 each?


- next response - that's right KC - they ain't even worth that much..

There saved the next one of you the trouble..
 
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Was your last Craftsman ratchet the 84 tooth low profile or the old 32 tooth RP?

WTF is a 12pt duplicate? A 12 pt socket is a different tool used for different situations than a 6 pt socket. Maybe I am naive, but I thought everyone with a mechanics toolbox had/needed a full range of 1/4, 3/8 and 1/2 in 6pt and 12pt in both shallow and deep.

It was this ratchet

http://www.sears.com/craftsman-3-8-...SellerId=Sears&prdNo=4&blockNo=4&blockType=G4

Definitely not. I am a mechanic and can count on one hand how many times I've used a 12 point socket, are they nice? Yes, should you have them as a mechanic? Maybe, depends on what you do, but they're hardly essential, I own a single set in 3/8th drive and again, have used them maybe a handful of times. I'm not **** talking this set or the brand, its a lot of tools for the money but I would be caution and make sure these "extras" are things you need.
 
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THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A BARE MINIUM 1000 piece tool set.. how many size bolts do you think there is?? It's crazy on here - you post an insane deal of craftsman tools - oh it's waste of money, you don't need all that.
Enter a snap on thread - look at my new 96" 4 story toolbox with 36 of the same Channellock pliers, and shallow, semi deep, deep, extra deep, swivel, impact, 8 point, 4 point, 6 point, 12 point, 7 point, and candy coated sockets in every size know to man - oh and don't forget my protective lug sockets for all those Bugatti's that come into **** Franks Tire Shop. - forum response - WOW that's some tool set !!! I wish I was you!!!

Look guys, I got chrome spinners for the wheels on my SO box !! wow that's amazing - you should put 20's on your tool cart !!!
 
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Not to take away from this offer and those highlighting it. It seems a great deal if you fall into the group of people who could use such a deal.



It just seems to me these huge tool sets fill a pretty narrow niche.
A guy who already has a decent selection of tools would end up with a huge amount of duplication.

A kit like this would be nice for somebody just getting started buying tools, but how many people starting out can drop $3200 or even the $1600 reduced price of this offer on a tool set.

The other would be someone getting into a mechanical trade who needs a wide selection of tools and has a justification to drop $2000-3000 on a tool set. Of course in that case are they going to go with what are essentially a home owner grade of tools.

I suspect a large percentage of these types of kits get sold for insurance replacement. A guy who has acquired a lot of tools has his shop broken into, destroyed by a fire, flood etc.

That is about the only way I could see myself spending that much at once on a kit vs acquisition / replacement a piece at a time.


I'm sure that a certain amount of sales do go to people who buy a big kit so everything matches and then sell off, or give away the older duplicates, but imagine that is a fairly small demographic.

If by any chance you are this demographic I like hand me down tools... :beer:
 
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Years ago I would have jumped on a "deal" like this. Today I'd probably spend twice as much and get half the tools but something I'd want and use. Not really a Craftsman fan, esp. the direction they have taken the past 30 years or so... Just my personal opinion yours may vary...
 
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LOL, just when you thought a deal couldn't be so good, along comes something much, much, cheaper...

That **** will get you in big time trouble with the misses. At least you'd have plenty of time to screw around with your new Craftsman tool set huh? :lol:
 
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No doubt brother...

Agh, we're about to see some sniper fire here in a bit. Put on your safety glasses and spread out the plastic sheeting for the spatter! Thank gawl it's Winter, cause this **** would stink out there in the dumpster if it were August! :lol:
 

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Agh, we're about to see some sniper fire here in a bit. Put on your safety glasses and spread out the plastic sheeting for the spatter! Thank gawl it's Winter, cause this **** would stink out there in the dumpster if it were August! :lol:

No worries brother I'm good with whatever goes down, LOL...
 

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Simple enough.. Those tools are China products that sell for dime store prices.
Even some of their USA produced tools were disgusting towards the end of production.

I have a mix of tools that include some Craftsman which are decades old, and also some of the last USA production.. Looking at that 903 piece set, I can be reassured it was not intended or Me. I lowered My Bar of Standards when I bought numerous USA Craftsman sets several years ago, and I regret doing so.. For Me; ProTo, Snap-on, and SK hand tools remain better choices.
 
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Simple enough.. Those tools are China products that sell for dime store prices.
Even some of their USA produced tools were disgusting towards the end of production.

I have a mix of tools that include some Craftsman which are decades old, and also some of the last USA production.. Looking at that 903 piece set, I can be reassured it was not intended or Me. I lowered My Bar of Standards when I bought numerous USA Craftsman sets several years ago, and a regret doing so.. For Me; ProTo, Snap-on, and SK hand tools remain better choices.

This^^^ Part of the reason I'm selling my vintage USA made Craftsman tools is where the corporation took the brand. Excuse me for being blunt but F China and the corporations that support them. God Bless America.
 
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This^^^ Part of the reason I'm selling my vintage USA made Craftsman tools is where the corporation took the brand. Excuse me for being blunt but F China and the corporations that support them. God Bless America.

It's so nice to see that there are others like myself. The corporations that ship out the jobs to China, then bring the stuff back here to sell to us...... They don't get one bit of my money. I don't mind China, but more than anything for me it's "F the corporations that piss in our drinking water".
 
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Yeah I've learned my lesson the hard way. Losing everything. Corporations don't give a rats *** about ordinary Americans, just where the next dollar is coming from... /rant
 

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Love the comparisons - look what I got instead for $1,000. - 8 wrenches, a handful of sockets and screwdrivers - eh- so what I'm missing the other 850 pieces - mine say snap on..
But wait ! There's more.. CHISELS , and a brake drum tool !! What a much better use of money for someone that wants 900 tools for like what $1.75 each?


- next response - that's right KC - they ain't even worth that much..

There saved the next one of you the trouble..

This set costs 1600 dollars right?

I know you're familiar with the Gearwrench promo, I've actually seen you had posted about that deal too. You got that set, with two ratchets (3/8th) and two ratchets (1/4) and a complete (?) set of metric/standard sockets in that drive size for 110 dollars. You could complete a 1/2 socket set for 200 dollars from Gearwrench/Tekton complete with ratchets/extensions and sockets. So for 300 dollars, you've completed virtually all your chrome socket sets.

Sockets per above -> 310 dollars

Wrenches -> Average of 162 dollars

Caryle -> 180

https://www.napaonline.com/p/CHQCW1211M
https://www.napaonline.com/p/CHQCW1211

Tekton -> 80 dollars

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00OZJN3PQ/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Dewalt -> 300 dollars

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MQSXINI/?tag=atomicindus08-20

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01NBHI5OS/?tag=atomicindus08-20

GW -> 90 dollars

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000NICG9M/?tag=atomicindus08-20


Impact Sockets -> 220 dollars

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00LNH7728/?tag=atomicindus08-20

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005MVB9Y8/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Screwdrivers - 150

https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Snap-o...881296&hash=item2139b23f68:g:wbUAAOSwPfVZkps9

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007C6LHXY/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Pliers -> Average of 84 dollars

Knipex - 130

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KBCM456/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Tekton - 55

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B011L0CPVE/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Channellock - 67

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001A3ZBCI/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Ratcheting Wrenches 175

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000HBF5SY/?tag=atomicindus08-20

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0002NYD1C/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Hex/Torx -> Average 115

Capri -> 110

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ESN0334/?tag=atomicindus08-20

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ESN02G2/?tag=atomicindus08-20

GW -> 120

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01NA9PG8A/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Pry Bars -> 40

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01M31IT1V/?tag=atomicindus08-20

12 point sockets so you feel better about this -> 120 dollars

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0165WVDLQ/?tag=atomicindus08-20

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01JMH5GQY/?tag=atomicindus08-20

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0015013XC/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Stubby Wrenches -> 68 dollars

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000NI93R0/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Nut Drivers -> 25 dollars

https://www.ebay.com/itm/14-Pc-Metr...ffffa605|iid:1&_trksid=p2481888.c100675.m4236

Allen Keys -> 20 dollars

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00012Y38W/?tag=atomicindus08-20

So I think this adds up to around 1500 dollars, I rounded a little and the Dewalt wrench set ups this price significantly. You can buy hammers, long offset wrenches,more 12 point sockets, or 1/4 impact sockets if you wish with the remaining 100. You act like we're all assholes for not falling head over heels for this lack luster craftsman deal, but I made this list in about 40 minutes. With deals at advanced auto (GW) or napas sale flyers (Carlyle) you could make this list even cheaper. You could also substitute Tekton for many of the GW items in my list and you would have an even better price. My set also includes better screwdrivers, better and more complete pliers, better impacts, prybars (not included in the 1600 dollar DEAL!!) and with an average retail price of less. Are there less pieces? Yes, but if you're buying 1600 dollar tool sets based on pieces alone, you're doing it wrong. Oh, and for what its worth a significant amount of tools are made in the USA (This isn't personally a thing I worry much about, but people do)

Added a set of Craftsman screwdrivers which would bring my overall estimate of 1500 down to 1400 dollars, again leaving money to buy things you'd miss, but I will leave the prices as is.
 
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It's so nice to see that there are others like myself. The corporations that ship out the jobs to China, then bring the stuff back here to sell to us...... They don't get one bit of my money. I don't mind China, but more than anything for me it's "F the corporations that piss in our drinking water".

On his 4th pro America tour on the forum -. Never seen anyone spend so much time patting themselves on the back.. your arms must be tired..
 
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This set costs 1600 dollars right?

I know you're familiar with the Gearwrench promo, I've actually seen you had posted about that deal too. You got that set, with two ratchets (3/8th) and two ratchets (1/4) and a complete (?) set of metric/standard sockets in that drive size for 110 dollars. You could complete a 1/2 socket set for 200 dollars from Gearwrench/Tekton complete with ratchets/extensions and sockets. So for 300 dollars, you've completed virtually all your chrome socket sets.

Sockets per above -> 310 dollars

Wrenches -> Average of 162 dollars

Caryle -> 180

https://www.napaonline.com/p/CHQCW1211M
https://www.napaonline.com/p/CHQCW1211

Tekton -> 80 dollars

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00OZJN3PQ/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Dewalt -> 300 dollars

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MQSXINI/?tag=atomicindus08-20

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01NBHI5OS/?tag=atomicindus08-20

GW -> 90 dollars

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000NICG9M/?tag=atomicindus08-20


Impact Sockets -> 220 dollars

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00LNH7728/?tag=atomicindus08-20

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005MVB9Y8/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Screwdrivers - 150

https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Snap-o...881296&hash=item2139b23f68:g:wbUAAOSwPfVZkps9

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007C6LHXY/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Pliers -> Average of 84 dollars

Knipex - 130

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KBCM456/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Tekton - 55

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B011L0CPVE/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Channellock - 67

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001A3ZBCI/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Ratcheting Wrenches 175

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000HBF5SY/?tag=atomicindus08-20

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0002NYD1C/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Hex/Torx -> Average 115

Capri -> 110

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ESN0334/?tag=atomicindus08-20

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ESN02G2/?tag=atomicindus08-20

GW -> 120

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01NA9PG8A/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Pry Bars -> 40

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01M31IT1V/?tag=atomicindus08-20

12 point sockets so you feel better about this -> 120 dollars

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0165WVDLQ/?tag=atomicindus08-20

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01JMH5GQY/?tag=atomicindus08-20

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0015013XC/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Stubby Wrenches -> 68 dollars

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000NI93R0/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Nut Drivers -> 25 dollars

https://www.ebay.com/itm/14-Pc-Metr...ffffa605|iid:1&_trksid=p2481888.c100675.m4236

Allen Keys -> 20 dollars

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00012Y38W/?tag=atomicindus08-20

So I think this adds up to around 1500 dollars, I rounded a little and the Dewalt wrench set ups this price significantly. You can buy hammers, long offset wrenches,more 12 point sockets, or 1/4 impact sockets if you wish with the remaining 100. You act like we're all assholes for not falling head over heels for this lack luster craftsman deal, but I made this list in about 40 minutes. With deals at advanced auto (GW) or napas sale flyers (Carlyle) you could make this list even cheaper. You could also substitute Tekton for many of the GW items in my list and you would have an even better price. My set also includes better screwdrivers, better and more complete pliers, better impacts, prybars (not included in the 1600 dollar DEAL!!) and with an average retail price of less. Are there less pieces? Yes, but if you're buying 1600 dollar tool sets based on pieces alone, you're doing it wrong. Oh, and for what its worth a significant amount of tools are made in the USA (This isn't personally a thing I worry much about, but people do)

Added a set of Craftsman screwdrivers which would bring my overall estimate of 1500 down to 1400 dollars, again leaving money to buy things you'd miss, but I will leave the prices as is.


You realize this was just a post to let people know the set was on sale.. keep thinking I read all that.. lol
 

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Love the comparisons - look what I got instead for $1,000. - 8 wrenches, a handful of sockets and screwdrivers - eh- so what I'm missing the other 850 pieces - mine say snap on..
But wait ! There's more.. CHISELS , and a brake drum tool !! What a much better use of money for someone that wants 900 tools for like what $1.75 each?


- next response - that's right KC - they ain't even worth that much..

There saved the next one of you the trouble..

There, you've pegged the market exactly for these: The guy that wants 900 tools for $1.75 each. Those buyers remind me of my son when he was 8 years old. If he was offered his choice of a treat, he took the biggest one, regardless of what it was. A 4" square of rice crispy treat would win out over a chocolate candy bar every time.

Sears obviously sells some of these, so there's a market.

As you posted later, you were just pointing out something you saw as a good deal. Thanks for doing that. For the right buyer, it's a better deal than paying $3200 for it. I think what the replies you see as bashing are pointing out is that there's a real value to having smaller sets that have higher quality. They're pointing out that there's a lot of quantity, but the quality might not be there. That a person might enjoy a chocolate bar instead of a rice crispy bar, unless you really prefer rice crispies.
 
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I have a HUGE Craftsman set of tools, box and all - I think I bought when I was 16.. at 41 - through some gypsy magic they all still work, and though a bunch of sockets have been lost over the years, though the engine, trans and rear swaps of my younger years - they've been replaced with China Craftsman , and husky - and somehow they all still work too..

Some guys think it's a dumb idea to spend $1600 on a tool set someone might have for the next 30 or 40 years if they make a minimal effort? U think this is a waste of money for father that wants to buy his kid his first full set of tools? That's fine. Personally - I think spend $1400 on a tool set that fits into a bathroom travel kit is pretty dumb myself, all because of the name stamped into the metal they made it with "impresses" some people...

Posted the sale to get more exposure - you don't think it's worth it - don't buy it.. simple - ain't it??
 
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tube_guy

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I think it's sad that a pro-union person thinks this "deal" on Chinese tools is worth posting about a second time. If nothing else, this thread belongs in the Hot Deals section rather than here, even if it's not hot nor a deal. The thread is already going on there, so this whole thread is somewhat superfluous.

It's a lot more than the name stamped on the tools. Google "new silk road" to see what this sort of deal really costs. Ready for your children's and grandchildren's standard of living to drop far below yours? Think your kids and grandchildren should be able to own a car and a house? Like being able to get decent health care when you need it? Think your kids and grandkids would too?

I’m certainly not against imported tools but sending profits to our enemies is wrong.
 
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