J H Williams vintage hand tools

wrenchguy · May 26, 2019

leg17 said:
Here is another Williams Wrench Board

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Antiq...333108?hash=item4b64f51f34:g:kqQAAOSwzFpc6GiO

eBay lot # 323816333108

Seen it, What logo would the wrenches show for that board?

I wonder if my board has part numbers under flat black paint?

leg17 · May 26, 2019

wrenchguy said:
Seen it, What logo would the wrenches show for that board?

I wonder if my board has part numbers under flat black paint?

This board seems earlier than 1924 when the Oval logo was replaced.
That may be the best approach. One could compromise and use either the Brooklyn logo or the Forged logo.

If this board could somehow be dated prior to 1914, it would be quite a challenge to fill it with the "Early Brooklyn" (AA) logo.

Private Lugnutz · May 26, 2019

leg17 said:
If this board could somehow be dated prior to 1914, it would be quite a challenge to fill it with the "Early Brooklyn" (AA) logo.

Agreed. Prior to the three I found last week (see posts #517 and #518, page 26), I've only found a handful total.

leg17 · May 27, 2019

Private Lugnutz said:
Agreed. Prior to the three I found last week (see posts #517 and #518, page 26), I've only found a handful total.

I have accumulated about 40 or so over the years. All styles.
Williams sure got a head start making quality standardized wrenches.
Not surprising their part numbers were adapted by so many others.

They didn't call themselves the "Wrench People" for nothing!

wrenchguy · May 29, 2019

Common or uncommon? No.33 on eprey.

Oldtuleguy · May 30, 2019

I have not seen a chicago oval logo before.I have a few Brooklyn, mostly usa.

Oldtuleguy · May 30, 2019

Picked up an empty bantam box for some loose 3/8 stuff . love these little b51 ratchets.

leg17 · May 30, 2019

wrenchguy said:
Common or uncommon? No.33 on eprey.

AA
Whitman Barnes acquired by Williams around 1920.
Oval logo used until about 1924.
Could be. Never noticed one before.

Private Lugnutz · May 30, 2019

That's good thinking, leg. I have never noticed one before, either, but it makes sense. W&B was headquartered in Akron, but had a drop-forge in Chicago, and that's the factory that the Williams officer ran after they acquired the drop-forge and wrench works of W&B. (W&B continued making twist drills, reamers, and screw extractors under their own banner.)

Private Lugnutz · May 30, 2019

Picked up a wartime (cadmium) deep socket at the flea today.

MR.X · Jun 3, 2019

There is a BIN ebay listing for a 1925 McKinnon tool catalog that looks to have some interesting info /pics in it. including a Silent Salesman picture. Apparently, they acquired the Canadian division of J.H Williams.. whatever that means. I have nothing to do with the seller, just a heads up for those interested.

leg17 · Jun 8, 2019

Here is a set of Adjustable Pin Spanners and Adjustable Hook Spanners.
All have the underline post-1924 logo.
I used them in the shop and around machinery, bearing nuts and things like that.
And, one with some patent info.

Private Lugnutz · Jun 10, 2019

That's a nice set, leg. I have a handful, but miscellaneous makers (Williams, Fairmount, Billings, etc)

misterbill · Jun 11, 2019

I picked up this socket case locally from a CL add. I've been trying to date it and determine what the contents may have been. The logo places it from the early 1960s. The latest catalog I have is #505 from 1963. At first I thought it might be an MC-4 case but the layout is a little different from the catalog and the dimensions are slightly different as well. The MC-4 case is listed as 19-1/2" x 5-5/16" x 1-3/8" while this one is 19-1/2" x 5-15/16" x 1-3/8". Anybody have any insight as to the likely year and/or contents?

Thanks,

Bill

Targa68 · Jun 18, 2019

Hi
I bought this little set in Denmark. It has never been used and still have the preservation grease on. I belive late 1940's
Strangely, the box have no marking or labels...
The set consist of:
B-51 Ratchet, marked with "The Superratchet" (making this late -40's to 50's according to AA site)
B-115 10'' extension, marked with "Made W U.S.A.".
B-110 5,5'' extension, marked with "Made W U.S.A."
B-140 universal, marked with "Williams U.S.A."
Sockets, 8 pcs all marked identically with W over U.S.A:
B-5/16'', B-3/8'', B-7/16'', B-1/2'', B-9/16'', B-5/8'', B-11/16'', B-3/4''

What would be the correct name on this set and am I missing any pieces?

Thank you

Oldtuleguy · Jun 18, 2019

Looks like a nice little bantam set

Provincial · Jun 18, 2019

misterbill said:
I picked up this socket case locally from a CL add. I've been trying to date it and determine what the contents may have been. The logo places it from the early 1960s. The latest catalog I have is #505 from 1963. At first I thought it might be an MC-4 case but the layout is a little different from the catalog and the dimensions are slightly different as well. The MC-4 case is listed as 19-1/2" x 5-5/16" x 1-3/8" while this one is 19-1/2" x 5-15/16" x 1-3/8". Anybody have any insight as to the likely year and/or contents?

Thanks,

Bill

I suspect a typo in the catalog. Do the catalog illustrations look noticably smaller (by 5/8") than the box?

misterbill · Jun 18, 2019

Provincial said:
I suspect a typo in the catalog. Do the catalog illustrations look noticably smaller (by 5/8") than the box?

Not to me, but the arrangement of the dividers is a little different.

Bill

3baygarage · Jun 24, 2019

Williams B-21 Torque Measurrench , 3/8 drive. Sort of an interesting design.

3baygarage · Jun 24, 2019

Special order 3/8 drive fixed T handle. Just 4” long.

3baygarage · Jun 24, 2019

Special socket end wrench.

3baygarage · Jun 24, 2019

These three special pieces have something in common, all begin with an M.

M7322-1 deep 5/8” socket with threaded outside, stamped SPECIAL
M12167 tubular 5/16” wrench
M-13141 deep 1-1/2” socket weighing 4 lbs

3baygarage · Jun 24, 2019

3baygarage · Jun 24, 2019

Another diamond W stamped socket. Has an unusual opening.

Stamped ESCO N6878 USA.

Targa68 · Jun 25, 2019

Oldtuleguy said:
Looks like a nice little bantam set

Yes it is quite nice, thank you. Does anyone have a catalog picture with this? Trying to figure out if box is correct and/or if something is missing...

Thanks

d42jeep · Jul 1, 2019

My neighbor brought me this slightly rusty non-reversing 1/2” drive Williams ratchet. A little time in the evaporust improved it’s appearance. misterbill found one in his 1963 catalog. They seem to have offered this one for a long time. The green one pictured below was one of my first tool buys several years ago at the Tahoe flea market. That one obviously didn’t have a captive plug.
-Don

3baygarage · Jul 20, 2019

These wrenches are a little new for Wrenchguy’s board.

Williams Vulcan dual stamp metric open ends.

The difference in part numbers must mean they came from an earlier and later set, as I did pick them up in a couple groups iirc. Anyhow, it’s about time they see some daylight.

Jim C. · Jul 20, 2019

I’ve been collecting these Williams obstruction wrenches for a few years now. Recently, I came across a variation of the #2731 wrench which is typically sized 3/4” x 13/16”. The wrench I found was stamped with the Williams logo on one end and “2731 SPECIAL” on the other. No sizes are stamped on the wrench. When measured, the openings are 1” x 1 1/8”.

Jim C.

3baygarage · Jul 20, 2019

Nice special.

Jim C. · Jul 20, 2019

3baygarage said:
Nice special.

Thanks! I have another one I found a little while back that’s also stamped “Special.” It’s marked as wrench #2031, which is typically 25/32” x 7/8”. The one I have is stamped 2031, but the openings are 7/8” x 1 1/16”. Looks like Williams made a bunch of these. I wonder how many a company/purchaser would have to order in a “Special” size before Williams would make them?

Jim C.

bonneyman · Jul 23, 2019

Jim C. said:
I’ve been collecting these Williams obstruction wrenches for a few years now. Recently, I came across a variation of the #2731 wrench which is typically sized 3/4” x 13/16”. The wrench I found was stamped with the Williams logo on one end and “2731 SPECIAL” on the other. No sizes are stamped on the wrench. When measured, the openings are 1” x 1 1/8”.

Jim C.

Dang, that is special! :thumbup:

Jim C. · Jul 23, 2019

bonneyman said:
Dang, that is special!

Your collection motivated me to start collecting these. So, I have you to thank.....or blame!

Jim C.

bonneyman · Jul 23, 2019

Jim C. said:
Your collection motivated me to start collecting these. So, I have you to thank.....or blame!

Jim C.

I've had worse labels applied to me! :lol_hitti

The jaws look a bit thin on that SPECIAL wrench. I'm wondering if they used the same wrench blank as the regular 2731 and just broached out the end bigger, rather than forge a whole other, larger blank.

Jim C. · Jul 24, 2019

bonneyman said:
.........The jaws look a bit thin on that SPECIAL wrench. I'm wondering if they used the same wrench blank as the regular 2731 and just broached out the end bigger, rather than forge a whole other, larger blank.

If I had to venture a guess, I’d say it’s the standard 2731 blank and broached to the bigger sizes.

Jim C.

3baygarage · Jul 24, 2019

Ricky Joe said:
Helluva design! How does i work?

Not exactly sure. I think there are some markings on the back of the head, if I’d have rotated it 90 degrees. It moves like a sliding t handle.

Found an ad from Oct ‘41 Popular Mechanics.

d42jeep · Jul 31, 2019

I recently found this 703 Williams wrench. I don’t collect these if anybody needs it for their collection.
-Don

wrenchguy · Jul 31, 2019

Been awhile, Here's needed list for the big board i'm working on.
Oval logo part numbers wanted. thanks 4 any help.
1
7
8
35
733
994

Oldtuleguy · Jul 31, 2019

Here is an old F50a ratchet. I think it must be pretty old because they usually have a b part number.

leg17 · Aug 13, 2019

wrenchguy said:
Been awhile, Here's needed list for the big board i'm working on.
Oval logo part numbers wanted. thanks 4 any help.
1
3
7
8
35
663
664
677
733
993
994

Are you still ignoring the letter suffix?
I have a 664E.

wrenchguy · Aug 13, 2019

leg17 said:
Are you still ignoring the letter suffix?
I have a 664E.

yes stiil ignoring the suffix letter, looking 4 not beatup logo's though.

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